how much Splenda in Diet Rite?

I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.

I have not gotten an answer. Does anybody here know?

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Lyne wrote in
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I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.


I thought most manufacturers just used liquid splenda, no calories, no
carbs. It's the filler that adds carbs. So if the label says 'sucralose',
and doesn't list maltodextrin, which splenda uses as filler, then it's pure
sucralose.

Chakolate

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right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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Lyne wrote:
I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.

They don't use Splenda in the packet or bulk form, they get the
straight sucralose without carb padding, because they make it in
large amounts. So there are no carbs from the Splenda.

At home, you would need precision tweezers to find the few milligrams
of sucralose in a packet (or spoonful of bulk) without the maltodextrin
padding.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

(jamie) wrote:

Lyne wrote:
I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.

They don't use Splenda in the packet or bulk form, they get the
straight sucralose without carb padding, because they make it in
large amounts. So there are no carbs from the Splenda.

At home, you would need precision tweezers to find the few milligrams
of sucralose in a packet (or spoonful of bulk) without the maltodextrin
padding.

I think that's great, if I'm reading you correctly, that sucralose
does not count as carbs but Splenda does. Most of the labels say
"sucralose (Splenda brand)". I've lost about 20 lbs but I'm trying
to stay on Induction for a long time. I'm one of those people who
does better without too many choices.

FYI, here is the response I did get back from the manufacturer:

---------------
Thank you for contacting Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. regarding our
ingredients.

Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. complies with all applicable labeling
regulations in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration
and other regulatory bodies. Any ingredient that is not listed on the
can or bottle is considered proprietary to Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc.
If you have a concern regarding the intake of this product, we suggest
that you contact your physician. If you have allergies to any
substance listed in the ingredients, we advise discontinuing use of
the product. The exact amount of Splenda in our products is considered
proprietary.

Thanks again for contacting us.

Sincerely,

Consumer Relations
Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc.

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Brand: DIET RITE
Flavor: TANGERINE
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First Name: Lyne
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Comments: How much Splenda is in each can of Diet Rite? Your label
says that there are zero carbs, but you probably know that Atkins
requires us to count each packet of Splenda as one carb so it is
important to know the amount. Can you please specify your answer in
terms of tablespoons, teaspoons, or packets, instead of grams, etc?

I'm very excited to have discovered your flavors. For most of us
low-carbers, this is one of the few sweets that we get.

Thank you.
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:43:45 +0000, Lyne wrote:
(jamie) wrote:
Lyne wrote:
I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.

They don't use Splenda in the packet or bulk form, they get the straight
sucralose without carb padding, because they make it in large amounts.
So there are no carbs from the Splenda.

I think that's great, if I'm reading you correctly, that sucralose does
not count as carbs but Splenda does.

No. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Splenda is a brand name of sucralose. Unless they've
licensed production of sucralose (not, to my knowledge), the two words
are synonymous. If they _have_ licensed the production of sucralose, all
Splenda is sucralose, but some sucralose is not Splenda.

Sucralose is retailed under the Splenda brand as bulk powder, powder in
packets, and tablets. It is also wholesaled to food manufacturers in a
water solution (I _believe_, but do not know, that it is not wholesaled
as pure powder).

The retail bulk and packeted powder contain enough fluffed sugars
to make volume measures roughly equivalent to cane sugar, ie, to
make it the teaspoon-for-teaspoon equivalent of table sugar.

The tablets contain a much smaller amount of bulking agent.

The _wholesale_ product contains only sucralose. Any product label
that reports "sucralose" is reporting pure, unadulterated, no other
carbohydrate, sucralose.

For reasons not made public, the manufacturer does not permit the
retail sale of pure sucralose products. Some quantity of the wholesale
product is occasionally available from black market channels (for which
I, for one, am SUPREMELY grateful).

Most of the labels say "sucralose
(Splenda brand)".

The labels must list the ingredients. Under the extremely unlikely
circumstance that some manufacturer chose to waste money on the bulked
Splenda for their product, they would be required to call out the
added carbohydrates, either separately (water, maltodextrin, dextrose,
natural and artificial flavorings, sucralose) or as the blend (water,
Splenda brand sweetener (contains maltodextrin, dextrose, sucralose),
natural and artificial flavors). If you don't see it on the label, it
isn't there. Or the manufacturer is breaking the law, but since that
would be for economic reasons, it would have nothing to do with the
presence of bulked powdered sucralose.

Martin (215/167/165 since 4/2003)
--
Martin Golding Salad isn't _food_, salad is what food _eats_.
KotLQ KotSM SMTC #2 member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals)

"Martin Golding" wrote:

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:43:45 +0000, Lyne wrote:
(jamie) wrote:
Lyne wrote:
I went on the Diet Rite web page and the only available information is
a copy of the label from the can. I contacted their customer service
and explained that Atkins requires us to count a Splenda packet as a
carb (even though their label says zero carbs) and could they please
tell me how much Splenda was in a can, preferably in terms of
teaspoons, tablespoons, or packets.

They don't use Splenda in the packet or bulk form, they get the straight
sucralose without carb padding, because they make it in large amounts.
So there are no carbs from the Splenda.

I think that's great, if I'm reading you correctly, that sucralose does
not count as carbs but Splenda does.

No. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Splenda is a brand name of sucralose. Unless they've
licensed production of sucralose (not, to my knowledge), the two words
are synonymous. If they _have_ licensed the production of sucralose, all
Splenda is sucralose, but some sucralose is not Splenda.

Sucralose is retailed under the Splenda brand as bulk powder, powder in
packets, and tablets. It is also wholesaled to food manufacturers in a
water solution (I _believe_, but do not know, that it is not wholesaled
as pure powder).

The retail bulk and packeted powder contain enough fluffed sugars
to make volume measures roughly equivalent to cane sugar, ie, to
make it the teaspoon-for-teaspoon equivalent of table sugar.

The tablets contain a much smaller amount of bulking agent.

The _wholesale_ product contains only sucralose. Any product label
that reports "sucralose" is reporting pure, unadulterated, no other
carbohydrate, sucralose.

For reasons not made public, the manufacturer does not permit the
retail sale of pure sucralose products. Some quantity of the wholesale
product is occasionally available from black market channels (for which
I, for one, am SUPREMELY grateful).

Most of the labels say "sucralose
(Splenda brand)".

The labels must list the ingredients. Under the extremely unlikely
circumstance that some manufacturer chose to waste money on the bulked
Splenda for their product, they would be required to call out the
added carbohydrates, either separately (water, maltodextrin, dextrose,
natural and artificial flavorings, sucralose) or as the blend (water,
Splenda brand sweetener (contains maltodextrin, dextrose, sucralose),
natural and artificial flavors). If you don't see it on the label, it
isn't there. Or the manufacturer is breaking the law, but since that
would be for economic reasons, it would have nothing to do with the
presence of bulked powdered sucralose.

Martin (215/167/165 since 4/2003)

This is a link to the product label for Diet Rite (one flavor):
http://www.dietrite.com/ourStory/ins...n=redraspberry


This is straight from the Splenda web page: "SPLENDA® No Calorie
Sweetener is now available at your favorite store in two forms --
granular, which measures and pours like sugar, and packets, which you
can use with your favorite beverages or fruit. "

"The Sugar Origin of SPLENDA® Brand Sweetener
SPLENDA® Brand Sweetener (sucralose) is made by a patented multi-step
process that starts with cane sugar. Three hydrogen-oxygen groups on
the sugar (sucrose) molecule are replaced by 3 tightly (covalently)
bound chlorine atoms (Figure 1). The resulting sweetener, sucralose,
is approximately 600 times sweeter than sugar and exceptionally
stable. Sucralose is not broken down, so it has no calories, and the
body does not recognize it as a carbohydrate. Studies show that
sucralose has no effect on HbA1C, blood glucose or serum insulin
levels. Additionally, sucralose will not interfere with glucose or
HbA1C assays, so patients can monitor as usual.

For consumer use, SPLENDA® Brand Sweetener (sucralose) is combined
with common food ingredients also used in other no calorie sweeteners.
These ingredients add volume and contribute a minimal quantity of
carbohydrate (less than 1 gram) and calories (fewer than 5) per
serving. Studies show that sucralose is non-caloric and does not raise
blood glucose or serum insulin levels. The FDA considers products
providing less than 5 calories to be appropriately labeled as no
calorie products. "


The product labels on the Splenda web page do not list ingredients for
either form. The labels for both forms of Splenda say 1 carb. But,
the Atkins book says to count a Splenda packet as a carb. So I'm
still left not knowing when to count a carb for a product that
contains sucralose.


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Lyne burbled across the ether:
The product labels on the Splenda web page do not list ingredients for
either form. The labels for both forms of Splenda say 1 carb. But,
the Atkins book says to count a Splenda packet as a carb. So I'm
still left not knowing when to count a carb for a product that
contains sucralose.

My bulk splenda reads sucarlose and maltodextrin. The label claims zero
carbs per serving, but I know that a teaspoon of the boxed or bagged
stuff comes out to .5gram (because of the information the Splenda
website offers for baking-- namely 24 carbs per cup of bulk splenda,
which works out to half a gram per teaspoon). The packets use dextrose,
which also works out to 1 gram. When something is labeled 1g, that
means it has more it is somewhere between .6 and .9 gram. (And US law
allows anything .5 or lower--per serving that is-- to be counted as
zero. This is what is known as hidden carbs.) Unless you are really
anal, count anything .5 and lower as half, and anything between .6 and
..9 as one gram.

The problem with figuring out when to count carbs where splenda is
concerned is because the manufacurer does not distinguish between pure
sucaralose that it sells to manufacturers to use in thier products
(truely zero carbs) and the sucralose sold on the grocery shelves (the
"consumer use" mentioned on its web page) which does have carbs in it
because of the filler. Unlike the manufacturer of Nutrasweet for
instance which uses the aforementioned name for processed foods
containing just the sweetener, and Equal, which contains the
sweetener--also measured in micro amounts-- and a filler in packets and
spoonable versions for consumer use.

The filler is added to make it spoonable. The amount of sucralose in
either the packets or a spoonful of powder is something on the order of
5 to 10 hundredths per. You'd have to use a tweezer to get the correct
amount if you used the 'pure' stuff in granular form.

Since the manufacturer only sells the pure stuff to food makers (bummer,
add your voice to the liquid splenda petition
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Splenda1/petition.html) that means that
you should only count carbs when you add splenda powder or packet to
your food or drink.

Anything that comes with splenda already in it doesn't have any extra
carbs from the splenda (including DaVinci's syrups which is one reason
why many here prefer to use those instead of the powders. A teaspoon of
the 'syrup' equals a teaspoon of the spoonable stuff, but without the
carbs because the "filler" is water) because food makers use the carb
free version.

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since
June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite
please
I knew that there had to be aliens somewhere in the universe.
What I did not know until now was that they read USENET.--Mark Hughes

"Lyne" wrote in message

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The product labels on the Splenda web page do not list ingredients for
either form. The labels for both forms of Splenda say 1 carb. But,
the Atkins book says to count a Splenda packet as a carb. So I'm
still left not knowing when to count a carb for a product that
contains sucralose.

Lyne,
It's not the Splenda/sucralose that has carbs. It's the fillers they use in
the packets that have the carbs. Sucralose is so sweet that if they put it
pure in packet form for consumer use there would only be a speck in each
packet. That's why they use fillers.

Manufacturers don't use Splenda packets to sweeten their products. They make
products in large enough batches where they can measure the pure
sucralose/Splenda and use it. No fillers, no carbs. At least no carbs from
Splenda.
--
Jeri

Lyne wrote:

I think that's great, if I'm reading you correctly, that sucralose
does not count as carbs but Splenda does. Most of the labels say
"sucralose (Splenda brand)". I've lost about 20 lbs but I'm trying
to stay on Induction for a long time. I'm one of those people who
does better without too many choices.

McNeil unfortunately created some confusion by calling both the
undiluted sucralose and the bulked product Splenda. (With aspartame, the
manufacturer originally called the added sweetener chemical Nutrasweet,
and the bulked product Equal.)

Food manufacturers are able to buy the undiluted powder or liquid
sucralose to use in the large batches of food they make. Because Splenda
is 600 times sweeter than sugar, there is only about one twentieth of
a gram of sucralose in a can of diet soda, even if it did metabolize
like sugar. The manufacturers say that it does not, and the
scaremongerers claim that half of it is metabolized -- so at worst,
you would have to drink about 40 cans of soda to get the effects of
one gram carb.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

The product labels on the Splenda web page do not list ingredients for
either form. The labels for both forms of Splenda say 1 carb. But,
the Atkins book says to count a Splenda packet as a carb. So I'm
still left not knowing when to count a carb for a product that
contains sucralose.




Geez, can you read? It's been explained several times now, including
in the excerpt you just quoted. It's the fillers in the consumer
versions of Splenda that turn it into a powder that contain the small
amount of carbs. Diet Rite uses the liquid product, which has zero
carbs.