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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a smoothie
made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline? We are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you"" messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this? |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
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, " wrote: I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a smoothie made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline? We are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you"" messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this? No causality shown. Don't go weird on us. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
On Apr 19, 8:13*pm, Billy wrote:
In article , " wrote: I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a smoothie made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline? We are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you"" messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this? No causality shown. Don't go weird on us. -- Sure. |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
Doug Freyburger wrote:
The idea that fruits are good is fine for someone who's never gotten fat in the first place. It's a load of nonsense for those of us have gotten fat. I highly doubt that people have actually gotten fat from fruit as their only carbohydrate source. Most people get fat from eating refined sugars, flour and high starch root vegetables. What's a fruit? It's a vegitable that grew a fancy outfit and added sugar to itself. Which seems entirely natural in terms of evolution. Fruits are great for folks who think french fries count against their daily 5 servings of veggies. Have you even seen what a serving is? The salads I often have with dinner are tiny but they count as 2 servings! I come closer to 10 servings of veggies per day than to 5 when I take into account the tiny size of a serving. To think that some folks eat a medium serving of fries at Burger King and count it as their 5 servings for the day, no matter even something as bad as a banana is supposed to be beneficial. But it isn't compared to real food. Bananas are candy without being called that. I resent the implication that a naturally occurring phenomenon such as fruit is in your opinion not real food. Strictly speaking, real food is food intended by Nature to be eaten. There is no other purpose fro fruit besides human and animal consumption, which is why it rots when left on trees for too long. Animal flesh, milk, eggs and their byproducts, in contrast, take all manner of processing to be consumed by humans. Nearly all cultures agree that fruit is the most nutritious food group found in nature and entirely consumable raw. You seem to be focused on fruit's sugar content, which I understand as a fellow low-carber. But trust me, our obesity epidemic is not due to people eating too many bananas, watermelons, pineapples or other high glyceride fruits. Orlando |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: The idea that fruits are good is fine for someone who's never gotten fat in the first place. It's a load of nonsense for those of us have gotten fat. I highly doubt that people have actually gotten fat from fruit as their only carbohydrate source. Most people get fat from eating refined sugars, flour and high starch root vegetables. All well and good for those who never got fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes the situation. What once was okay is no longer okay. Fruits are great for folks who think french fries count against their daily 5 servings of veggies. Have you even seen what a serving is? The salads I often have with dinner are tiny but they count as 2 servings! I come closer to 10 servings of veggies per day than to 5 when I take into account the tiny size of a serving. To think that some folks eat a medium serving of fries at Burger King and count it as their 5 servings for the day, no matter even something as bad as a banana is supposed to be beneficial. But it isn't compared to real food. Bananas are candy without being called that. I resent the implication that a naturally occurring phenomenon such as fruit is in your opinion not real food. I have no idea where you pulled such nonsense from. Bananas may be fine for those who have never gotten fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes that. That's how illnesses often work. Obesity is a disfunction of the metabolism and one of the symptoms of that disorder, for those of us who succeed with low carb, is that some foods that were harmless before we got fat in the first place are now harmful. A food being real or not have liitle to do with that. But just how beneficial are bananas even for those who have never got fat in the first place? If we use the model of how foods work in the wild then to eat bananas a person would have to search through a jungle to find them. That includes climbing trees to evade leopards, throwing sharp sticks at small animals, then encountering small numbers of banana plants that happen to have non-ripe bananas ready for the eating. That's not the story of a modern human eating a banana. And it's definitely not the story of a modern human who has already gotten fat and who therefore can't handle sugar in any quantity any more. Someone who never got fat in the first place should not eat a pile of bananas twice the size of their head because that much fruit will give them the runs. Someone already fat and carb sensative should avoid the first banana during their loss phases and possibly even during maintenance depending on how carb sensative they are. |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
Doug Freyburger wrote:
All well and good for those who never got fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes the situation. What once was okay is no longer okay. That may be your plan, but I'm not prepared to give up on fruits entirely. I can do without all processed sugars and starches, but not fruit. Bananas may be fine for those who have never gotten fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes that. That's how illnesses often work. Obesity is a disfunction of the metabolism and one of the symptoms of that disorder, for those of us who succeed with low carb, is that some foods that were harmless before we got fat in the first place are now harmful. It highly depends on each individual. For some, fruit consumption does not impede weight loss and is therefore not harmful. For others, even one bite of fruit can bring about a stall. There are so many contributing factors toward obesity that it is ludicrous to single out fruits as being harmful merely because they contain sugars. Once again, look at the kinds of diets that have produced obesity; they do not consist of natural, raw and obviously unsweetened fruits. I entirely understand your position that tolerable foods become harmful after we get fat. But, nearly everyone on any flavor of low-carb diet struggles with the inescapable reality that they don't want to eat strictly low-carb for the rest of their lives. This is why all low-carb plans eventually include fruits, vegetables and even some whole grains in their maintenance phases. What you're suggesting works in an induction phase, but is not meant to be followed for years. But just how beneficial are bananas even for those who have never got fat in the first place? If we use the model of how foods work in the wild then to eat bananas a person would have to search through a jungle to find them. That includes climbing trees to evade leopards, throwing sharp sticks at small animals, then encountering small numbers of banana plants that happen to have non-ripe bananas ready for the eating. That's not the story of a modern human eating a banana. And it's definitely not the story of a modern human who has already gotten fat and who therefore can't handle sugar in any quantity any more. By the same token, we should not eat meat without first chasing and hunting it. I love your double standard. When I suggest that fruits are entirely natural foods meant to be eaten by humans and animals alike, you reply that we no longer eat fruits under natural conditions. Yet, you have no problem eating vast quantities of meat that is raised, slaughtered, packaged and sold under entirely unnatural conditions previously unknown to humanity. Someone who never got fat in the first place should not eat a pile of bananas twice the size of their head because that much fruit will give them the runs. Someone already fat and carb sensative should avoid the first banana during their loss phases and possibly even during maintenance depending on how carb sensative they are. Finally, you're talking sense. Orlando |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
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Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote: It highly depends on each individual. For some, fruit consumption does not impede weight loss and is therefore not harmful. For others, even one bite of fruit can bring about a stall. There are so many contributing factors toward obesity that it is ludicrous to single out fruits as being harmful merely because they contain sugars. Once again, look at the kinds of diets that have produced obesity; they do not consist of natural, raw and obviously unsweetened fruits. I entirely understand your position that tolerable foods become harmful after we get fat. But, nearly everyone on any flavor of low-carb diet struggles with the inescapable reality that they don't want to eat strictly low-carb for the rest of their lives. This is why all low-carb plans eventually include fruits, vegetables and even some whole grains in their maintenance phases. What you're suggesting works in an induction phase, but is not meant to be followed for years. Check your BG, and only eat fruit that are in season-ish. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
On Apr 21, 4:20*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: All well and good for those who never got fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes the situation. *What once was okay is no longer okay. That may be your plan, but I'm not prepared to give up on fruits entirely.. I can do without all processed sugars and starches, but not fruit. Bananas may be fine for those who have never gotten fat in the first place. Getting fat in the first place changes that. That's how illnesses often work. Obesity is a disfunction of the metabolism and one of the symptoms of that disorder, for those of us who succeed with low carb, is that some foods that were harmless before we got fat in the first place are now harmful. It highly depends on each individual. For some, fruit consumption does not impede weight loss and is therefore not harmful. For others, even one bite of fruit can bring about a stall. There are so many contributing factors toward obesity that it is ludicrous to single out fruits as being harmful merely because they contain sugars. Once again, look at the kinds of diets that have produced obesity; they do not consist of natural, raw and obviously unsweetened fruits. I entirely understand your position that tolerable foods become harmful after we get fat. But, nearly everyone on any flavor of low-carb diet struggles with the inescapable reality that they don't want to eat strictly low-carb for the rest of their lives. This is why all low-carb plans eventually include fruits, vegetables and even some whole grains in their maintenance phases.. What you're suggesting works in an induction phase, but is not meant to be followed for years. But just how beneficial are bananas even for those who have never got fat in the first place? *If we use the model of how foods work in the wild then to eat bananas a person would have to search through a jungle to find them. *That includes climbing trees to evade leopards, throwing sharp sticks at small animals, then encountering small numbers of banana plants that happen to have non-ripe bananas ready for the eating. That's not the story of a modern human eating a banana. *And it's definitely not the story of a modern human who has already gotten fat and who therefore can't handle sugar in any quantity any more. By the same token, we should not eat meat without first chasing and hunting it. I love your double standard. When I suggest that fruits are entirely natural foods meant to be eaten by humans and animals alike, you reply that we no longer eat fruits under natural conditions. Yet, you have no problem eating vast quantities of meat that is raised, slaughtered, packaged and sold under entirely unnatural conditions previously unknown to humanity. Someone who never got fat in the first place should not eat a pile of bananas twice the size of their head because that much fruit will give them the runs. *Someone already fat and carb sensative should avoid the first banana during their loss phases and possibly even during maintenance depending on how carb sensative they are. Finally, you're talking sense. Orlando One major factor that you are overlooking here is that in terms of carbs, today's banana has little resemblence to the banana of 5,000 years ago. The same is true with virtually every other fruit. Today's fruits have been bred by man to be sweeter, bigger, tastier, disease resistant, etc and in terms of the evolution clock, that has essentially just happened. That changes everything. They are higher in carbs and second, it's far easier to eat a whole lot of them because they taste good. If you were presented with many of the fruits from 5,000+ years ago today, you would likely spit most of them out. Did you ever taste a wild grape versus today's seedless? Also, how many fruits do you think were readily available to man? Some were available occasionally, for brief periods, seasonally. Those were the ones that didn't succumb to insects, disease, getting eaten by wild animals, etc. Today we have supermarkets stocked with the sweetest fruits imaginable available year round. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that you can't have some fruit on a LC diet. And the better your choices as to which fruits, the more you can have. But as others have done the math, that one fruit smoothie contains close to an entire days worth of carbs for many people on maintenance. A far better choice in terms of carb count would be a cup of strawberries with some whipped cream on top. |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
Leave off the bananas. Try blueberries and strawberries.
wrote in message ... I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a smoothie made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline? We are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you"" messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this? |
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