Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.

Huh?

That was a rhetorical question. My point is that your statement of
"amazement" is unclear. To the extent I think I understand what you are
trying to say, it doesn't make sense. It is perfectly natural for a person
to be particularly "quick to respond" regarding an "issue" regarding which
they are well informed. And some of us are well informed about fat-loss,
strength-building, and nutrition -- apparently better-informed than you --
so we responded accordingly. And "quickly."

Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
learn something from that. Maybe not.

ep

Scott Smith wrote:
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
to?

Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..


I consider dairy products anathema. Legumes are always a good idea(protein),
of course. Whole grains are optional, in my opinion. In addition, wheatgrass
juice (and vegetable juices in general) is a terrific idea.


As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
array of foods.

No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
it works..


As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, there are plenty of gimmicks out there
that will certainly "work" but aren't sustainable nor healthy. Cocaine will
certainly work for weight loss too, but there's no question it's not only
unhealthy but dangerous. The ideal is to shoot for something healthy,
sustainable and practically guaranteed to work. How many regimens can you
think of that fit that criteria?


I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein


No one said anything about very little protein. I specified that if a person
needs to increase their protein intake, eating up to (and possibly more)
than two pieces of meat won't jeopardize this particular regimen.


and nothing really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are
"dieting" continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't
be able to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.


Well, without having examined their diet, it's difficult to ascertain the
delimma.


I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.


That's the difference. The regimen I'm espousing, a person doesn't have to
eat less to continue losing. Nor is exercise required.


Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...

Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
without (any real) effort on their part..

You can read this article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm


The conclusion of this article: "Obese people who exercise have half the
death rate of those who are trim but don't exercise, a leading expert said
Tuesday."

The unanswered question is, how many study participants that did not
exercise actually maintained a highly nutritional regimen?


Or this one:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237


Again, the same premise as above.


or this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html


This article basically emphasizes the idea that exercise without proper diet
and proper diet without exercise is a toss-up of sorts(based on the two
studies which were pointed out initially).


and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
find "some way" to move..


Not true, as the article above implies. Working out will not make you
healthy, necessarily. It can make you fit, which is correlated with health,
but exercise alone does not make one healthy, in my opinion. If such a
premise were true, one could simply work out and consume whatever they like.



Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
wait and are maintaining..

No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
regimen, why bother responding to this one?

Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..


On the contrary, although I'm not vegan, there's plenty of evidence which
shows a vegan diet, for instance, is completely healthy, provided the diet
is supplemented with B12 and EFA's(flaxseed works). You may want to peruse
www.veganmd.com for more details.


It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
suggest it is. I hope you're not either.


If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum.


No one said anything about feeling as though others shouldn't oppose such a
regimen. However, I don't see the point in opposing someone else's regimen
if you've found something that already works 'for you'. I defer to my
previous analogy.


Hope you don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well
just eat more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..


Probably no more than you'd be the first to suggest exercising to maintain
fitness. Neither is bad, but if you're happy just exercising, I'm certainly
not going to post in your thread stating how ineffective I think it when
lacking what I consider a proper nutritional component. If your method works
for you (and others), fine. Likewise, if the aforementioned method works for
me(and others), what's the problem? You do what works for you. I'm just
trying to give others an alternative that some might find more suitable and
that is known to work very, very effectively.


It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
line...
Will~


I don't believe it's one size fits all, however you're misconstruing the
comment. To clarify, while the regimen will work for nearly everyone, there
are some who would rather opt for an alternate sure-fire method because they
may feel the lack of variety offered in eating fruits and vegetables is
simply too unpalatable for them. For others, like myself, they find it quite
palatable and have no problem maintaining such a regimen.


Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish
oil in terms of health benefits.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
in terms of health benefits.

Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)

I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in farmed
salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me indigestion.
I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:
http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.

ep

Edna Pearl wrote:
"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
in terms of health benefits.

Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)

I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in
farmed
salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me
indigestion.
I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:
http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.

ep

I haven't tired this but a friend suggested freezing the fish oil capsules
to prevent indigestion. She simply takes them frozen. Not sure how this
would prevent indigestion but it works for her.

Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
learn something from that. Maybe not.

Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with your
opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as being
fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who would
peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every excuse to
disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with respect in my
posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the same in kind.

"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation,

Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
the
regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:

"That, IMNSHO, is an overly simplistic description of what it takes to eat a
healthy vegetarian diet, especially for newcomers here who might not know a
lot about nutrition, who may be looking for a magic fix to a lifetime of
health and weight issues, and who may be thinking, "Ah, maybe a week eating
nothing but canned peaches and iceberg lettuce for six week will work!"

"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA
supplementation,

Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
the
regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

Supplementary omissions aside, it _is_ a very simple regimen.

"Scott Smith" wrote in message
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"Edna Pearl" wrote in message
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Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
the
regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.
I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:

Thanks again!

ep

Scott Smith wrote:
I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
other day.

How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.


What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?

*Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
each.

*Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.

*Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
consume a small portion of each.

Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
what works LONG TERM!
--

Cheese

http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

"Cheese" wrote in message
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Scott Smith wrote:
I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
you tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will
go right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
(well, with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
other day.

How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
weight.
What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?

*Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre and
dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of each.

If you're experiencing success with portion control, I say more power to
you. Personally, I never order an appetizer or anything else from most
restaurants because their menu generally contains items I consider
unhealthy. I don't specifically use this regimen for weight control
necessarily, although it works very effectively for that purpose.

*Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others.

While this may not set well with some people, it's perfectly fine by me.

*Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve.

Only if the host decides this is what they're going to serve. Who says the
person must serve fruits and vegetables just because that's what they're
committed to eating? Using your current regimen as an analogical basis, must
everyone at your party also exercise portion control just because you do?

Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet that
will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's what works
LONG TERM!

It's certainly your prerogative to be concerned about what others might
think of your eating habits. It doesn't bother me in the least that some may
deem my commitment to eating healthy as "socially unacceptable". These are
likely people I would have little (to no) interest in developing any kind of
a relationship with anyway. However, I do respect your opinion.