You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:18:23 -0700, Saffire
wrote:


Yeah right.... Especially the part about his clogged arteries and
heart problems. That definately supports his diet (if you're
suicidal).

Atkins had cardiomyopathy caused by a virus. His ARTERIES, OTOH were relatively
clear. In any case, it had NOTHING to do with his death. He was 195 lbs when he
was admitted to the hospital after sustaining a massive HEAD WOUND after slipping
on the ice. He bloated up to 258 lbs DURING his stay in the hospital as his
major organs started to shut down.

Let's try an experiment: you have someone shove you REALLY hard (that should be
EASY to persuade someone to do) so that you fall and hit YOUR head on the
sidewalk and sustain a MASSIVE head wound. If, while in a coma, your body
freakishly swells up with excess fluid before you die a week or so later due to
massive organ failure, we were right; if not, we'll all agree that YOU were
right. It's a win-win situation. So, go ahead and put your money where your
mouth is -- PROVE us wrong by EXAMPLE.

Too BAD atkins' FAMILY wouldn't ALLOW an AUTOPSY. What were they
AFRAID of? If an AUTOPSY had shown no HEART problems, or ARTERIAL
damage, it would have gone a LONG WAY in PROVING atkins wasn't a
QUACK! TOO BAD the family was so CHICKEN**** they wouldn't ALLOW, an
AUTOPSY, which could have let out that 60 POUNDS of FLUID atkins
allegedly retained in TEN DAYS (yeah right). They were AFRAID that if
the CASH COW, showed any DAMAGE, they wouldn't have the INCOME FLOW,
from FOOLS like YOU!

Your Pal,

Sleepy

____________________________________
The True Axis of Evil
Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
____________________________________

I dont recall there being a requirement that I had to give clinical data to
tell a personal experiance. I didn't know I had to show cause and effect. I
trust my doctor. You attack me like I was trying disprove atkins, it just
didn't work for me because of health reasons. Try not to read into things so
much.

"FOB" wrote in message
m...
And nobody ever has gallbladder problems unless they go on Atkins? Unless
you have more information than you are relating I don't see any proof of
cause and effect here.

In om,
Chrono-Z stated
| You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the
| brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some
| weight, but it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the
| emergency room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my
| gallbladder had became mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my
| liver and kidney functions were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of
| people come in with similar problems. He refered me to a dietician
| who worked with me and helped me form a healthy way of eatting that
| was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well rounded and limited
| calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much fat or
| protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a
| few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories.
| It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again.
|
| wrote in message
| news || On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:36:27 GMT, "marengo"
|| wrote:
||
||| wrote:
|||| Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web....
|||
||| snip the silly propoganda
|||
||| I feel sorry for you. I truly do. How lonely it must be out there
||| these days for the anti-Atkins trolls! Now that Dr. Atkins' work
||| has been vindicated; the health benefits of controlled-carbohydrate
||| diets proven with scientific studies; the fast food industry groing
||| through a low-carb marketing revolution; and controlled carb eating
||| becoming more and more accepted by even the mainstream medical
||| communtiy.
|||
||
|| I feel sorry for you. You are so lacking in self worth that you
|| allowed the Atkins cult to brainwash you so far that even these facts
|| which I posted in black and white, right before your very eyes mean
|| nothing. Oh well, it's no skin off my back. When the acids begin
|| coming out of your pores and you smell so bad that no one wants to be
|| around you, right before your kidneys fail, and you have your heart
|| attack, just remember what I said, and what these websites PROVED.
|| I suggest you read EVERY WORD of what I posted, not just the first
|| paragraph. Did you actually read the part about Atkins heart
|| problems and clogged arteries? (I doubt it). There are four
|| extensive web articles posted here. Of course, I know your "type".
|| Just like those brainwashed kids that burned to death in Waco TX,
|| brainwashed and controlled by David Koresh, brainwashed right into
|| their graves, you will follow Atkins right into your grave. It's
|| the spineless types like yourself that are so easily persuaded into
|| these fraudulant scam cults, and you will pay with your life.
||
|| I'll never change your mind, because it's too late for you. Atkins
|| is your cult leader, and no one else is right. But there are others
|| who still have their own minds, and they may still have hope, and
|| some of them will be saved from their own destruction.
||
|| Atkins was and his messages are quackery. The truths are becoming
|| more and more evident. Soon the fad will end, and only those like
|| yourself will continue to rot away while your arteries clog. Your
|| life will pass, and the rest of us will still be here trying to
|| comprehend how people like yourself can allow some obese dead man who
|| died from heart conditions, make you believe he's a diet guru.
||
|| My final note to you. There are deprogrammers out there who can
|| deprogram people who are consumed by a cult. I suggest you contact
|| one of them. You need one.

Sleepyman wrote:
| On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:00:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:
|
|| I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was
|| just looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling
|| someone else to do it or die. That's all, no need to turn it into
|| something else.
||
| Most of the people here are cultists. Logic is meaningless to them.
| There is only one way, "their" way, and no other thought is allowed.
| So if you don't do it their way you are a troll. Good v Evil rules
| here.
|
| Sleepy
|
| ____________________________________
| The True Axis of Evil
| Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
| ____________________________________

You have it bass-ackwards.

It was the moron troll who came into the low-carb newsgroup and said that we
were all stupid and hopeless because we do a low-carb way of eating. I, nor
anyone selse, went into HIS support group and said these things.

Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if
they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not
support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute?

While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei
negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others.

I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they
come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes
personal and the trolls are fair game.
--
Peter
270/224/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Sleepyman wrote:
| On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:03:12 -0500,
| wrote:
|
|| Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web....
||
|| ---
||
| Sure Atkins was a quack. Your problem in trying to prove the case, is
| to post articles that are written by people with obvious agendas. Way
| too obvious. Science is hard to find as there has been no long term
| testing done on his "diet". The best was a one year low carb v low fat
| diet that after 6 months had Atkins ahead in weight loss, lipids and
| cholesterol numbers. Funny thing was, after a year, the low fat people
| had pulled into a statistical dead heat with the low carbers, in all
| categories.
|
| SM
|
|
|
| ____________________________________
| The True Axis of Evil
| Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
| ____________________________________

Oh geez, ANOTHER moron juvenile troll who has no life other than to try to
distupr support groups.

*PLONK*

--
Peter

I posted something negative? I would love to see what it is. Could someone
please enligthen me?

"marengo" wrote in message
s.com...
Sleepyman wrote:
| On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:00:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:
|
|| I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was
|| just looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling
|| someone else to do it or die. That's all, no need to turn it into
|| something else.
||
| Most of the people here are cultists. Logic is meaningless to them.
| There is only one way, "their" way, and no other thought is allowed.
| So if you don't do it their way you are a troll. Good v Evil rules
| here.
|
| Sleepy
|
| ____________________________________
| The True Axis of Evil
| Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
| ____________________________________

You have it bass-ackwards.

It was the moron troll who came into the low-carb newsgroup and said that
we
were all stupid and hopeless because we do a low-carb way of eating. I,
nor
anyone selse, went into HIS support group and said these things.

Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb
if
they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not
support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute?

While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei
negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others.

I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they
come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes
personal and the trolls are fair game.
--
Peter
270/224/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:01 GMT, "marengo"
wrote:

Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if
they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not
support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute?

It starts with boredom, then add in an axe to grind. Stir in the
illusion of being annonymous, and you get trolls. The general idea is
to stir up the hornet's nest to see what happens. My guess is that
it's a moron from the fat acceptance newsgroup who found us through
some other trolling idiot's crosspost.

Unfortunately, here, the hornets are smarter and faster than he
expected. The first appearence of our main troll (whom you have
nicknamed "Normal" though he's proven himself to be anything but..)
posting through extra.newsguy.com, seems to have made his first post
in late March under "luvmycarbs" or something like that. Starting
with the post "Atkins is a quack" then moving on to the ever so astute
observation, "Atkins is Dead." Morphed a few times did stupid stuff,
acted like a militant vegan/PETA moron, morphed again, and is now
posting screaming, angry posts that Atkins destroyed his marriage,
that we are cultists, and/or brainwashed. Before that he was claiming
that the late Dr. Atkins was in the pocket of the cattle industry,
and/or that his children are making tons of money off of his name.

He seems to be a glutton for punishment, he keeps getting soundly
trounced with facts, and he keeps coming back for more. (Not unlike
daring hornets to sting you, again, and again, and again, and then
having the nerve to be surprised when they do.) Now he's calling us
trolls in our own newsgroup. Doesn't understand (or pretends not to)
the basic rules of netiquette, doesn't understand (or pretends not to)
what "troll" means in usenet, and generally acting like an ass. Your
killfile may get pretty full of his sockpuppets before he crawls back
under a rock. Sooner, or later this too, shall pass.

While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei
negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others.

Well, that's usenet for you. Nothing says that you have to keep
reading the thread once you figure out who started it.

I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they
come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes
personal and the trolls are fair game.

Neatly summed up, it's funny how the trolls never seem to see it that
way.

You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti
low carb (doen't post much. Why he's here, who knows?), but less
overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal)
almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars.

Karen Rodgers

**********
Windbourne, folk singers of the future
http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********

burbled across the ether:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:58:18 -0500, "revek"
wrote:

Chrono-Z burbled across the ether:
Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt
translate into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a
maturity issue. Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for
your cause.

Cause? This group's "cause" is to support those who want to lowcarb.

The bashers come here to harrass lowcarbers, lowcarbers don't go out
to other groups to bash anybody. I say the bashers who come here
get what they give (and deserve). It's not like they're going to
actually *listen* to anybody here. These are trolls after all.

Now if you want to have a real discussion amongst sensible people
(non-trolls) then you'd find Peter quite sensible on the subject
although enthusiastic about his personal epiphany. But this is not
that kind of thread.

So, in other words, anyone who is on another diet, or only partially
does low-carb, and does not follow the Atkins cult to perfection is
unwelcome.

Didn't say that, stupid.

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
"I think...I think it's in my basement. Let me go upstairs and check"
-- Escher.

Karen Rodgers burbled across the ether:
You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti
low carb (doen't post much.

Anti-Atkins and Bernstien actually. He claims to be lowcarbing himself.

Why he's here, who knows?),

We polluted his beloved diabetes group with crossposts. So he's going
to make us "pay" by hanging out here deliberately annoying us with his
low opinions on Atkins and Bernstien, and anybody who doesn't kiss his
ass.


but less
overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal)
almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars.

Bite your tongue!

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
We all love to poke fun at politicians, but we must never forget to be
thankful that we don't get as much government as we pay for!

FOB burbled across the ether:
And nobody ever has gallbladder problems unless they go on Atkins?
Unless you have more information than you are relating I don't see
any proof of cause and effect here.

My sister had her gallbladder out last year. She's never 'dieted' at
all.
--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
A day without sun shine is like, you know, night.

wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:52:36 GMT, DigitalVinyl
wrote:

wrote:

snip, oh so many wasted electrons

The only reason you hear the word so much is because you obviously
behave like one. You are here merely to attack, under the very
christian guise of our benevolent savior. You are not here to discuss
or learn. You are a troll. You crave reaction. You fit the most
simplistic definition of one. Get used to hearing it, you obviously
are set in your way.

TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL
TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL
HI HO, HI HO, IT'S OFF TO TROLL HE GOES...


YOU'RE A BRAINWASHED QUACK ATKINS CULTIST
And thankfully so much more intelligent than you!

MMMMmmmmmmm CARBS TASTE SO GOOD !!!!!
Yes they do.

So how does having one's wife prefer being skinny to being with you
taste? I'm guessing similar to crow?

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/304/Apr-299/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-50 carbs/day (CCLL=?)