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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On the long hot summer day of Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:37:51 -0700, Art Deco
dribbled: Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convects Oh, oh, no! the macro's broken (or maybe it's just a climate change) The teddy bear main page is still up, so perhaps Chung finally saw the futility of keeping a hate list. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Ab, ur xrrcf zvffcryyvat uvf HEY. |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 6, 11:29 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 6, 8:42 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Doug Freyburger" wrote in message groups.com... "teachrmama" wrote: So do you think he deliberately plans to regain it? Or do you think he fails to plan (a maintenance program) therefore he "plans to fail" because of the lack of a maintenance program? That's it. The first year it was fails to plan. The second year it was fails to plan. By the fourth year it was plans to fail. Each year there has to be some expectation of learning. At some point it evolves from fails to plan to plans to fail to intends to regain. And nobody else here has ever done something similar (gaining and losing a number of times before they got it right)? Caleb is very up front with his successes and failures, so it's easy to criticize him. How many of us would like our successes and failures paraded out in similar fashion? I know I wouldn't!! (Or maybe I'm the only one here who ever lost, regained, lost, regained, before I finally got it right) I lose and regain as well. What I finally learned is that if I declare an end date that means I have declared a day when I plan on starting to regain. Lots of people on ASD have tried various ways to get that through to Caleb so I picked a way of saying that same thing that I couldn't find anyone else had used. Having phases last some number of days is fine. Having the diet last some number of days isn't. Though I lose and regain, I stay on some phase of my plan. It is a mental difference - Staying on plan is the right thing to do so when I am regaining I'm doing the wrong thing not returning to normal. I don't even consider the way I am choosing to eat now to be a diet. It is a way of life. I agree with you about arbitrary end dates. It's like saying that the train takes 12 hours to get to Chicago, aso I'm getting off in 12 hours no matter what. But telling somebody that the fact that they set an end date makes them an untouchable because they have don the same thing so many times before is not going to be helpful at all. I'm glad I was never given up on as hopeless. About the arbitrary deadline -- Well, we end school classes at a certain time (perhaps 50 minutes), pay taxes at a certain time, go in for yearly check-ups at a certain time, do Spring cleaning at a certain time. When I used to run long distances, I would set for myself a goal of getting to a distant point, and then once I made that point, I would set another goal. Seems to me that a lot of people do similar things, perhaps clean their houses while a certain record is playing, etc. Whatever it takes to help them focus on the task at hand and maintain their behavior over time. Perfection is certainly an ideal to be striven for, but if we tell people that perfection is required, as is the total commitment to a given way of behavior for the rest of their lives, I think a lot of people would be scared away, and a lot would see any faltering as clear proof that the goals are beyond them. Also it is unrealistic to demand that people comply with such a regimen, I think. Just my two cents about different methods of maintaining motivation over some difficult portions of time. Rather that a time goal, I do have a certain weight loss goal. That is when I will begin the Maintenance portion of my new way of life. I would certainly like to ahve reached my goal one year from when I started--but I will not change back to how I ate before when I getto ether the one year mark or the weight goal. And the way of eating I follow now is not a stringent "thou shalt not" sort of plan. It is liveable--which is why it is working for me. I agree with you about the perfection thing--even the smallest thing can spoil perfection, which makes it unworkable for the vast majority of the human race. So--just because I am insatiebly curious--how exactly are you setting up your eating program when you get to maintenance? You've mentioned the scale, but do you have any sort of a food plan in mind? =c) Teachrmama -- I don't know exactly exactly. My daughter is vegetarian and I certainly will emphasize the green and growing things. Limited meals, reasonable amounts of exercise, less or no beer -- those things all make sense to me. Like most people, i have difficulty tracking calories regularly but I sure am willing to do this if the scales show a reason to. And as I said, I'm taking pictures of myself each Monday evening and I will keep a series of those in my kitchen. It's too easy to forget where one has been as time goes on. Reminds me of the quote by the psychologist Zimbardo who said that the elderly think of themselves as young, only in older skin. I agree with that also with a lot of overweight people -- that is, they still think of themselves as less overweight. So I think pictorial evidence of previous overweight vs current standard weight is likely to be very useful. Indeed, perhaps a weekly picture from here on out will be useful. I think the scale is the most important thing, however, because it is the canary in the coal mine well before other important and negative consequences of overweight arise. The scale and I will continue to be great friends! (I'm thinking of hanging my car keys on it, and so whenever I drive somewhere, I will weigh myself. Might even help with global warming!) And of course other behavioral methods are good -- leave the kitchen at 7 PM and eat nothing more after that -- that by itself will save a lot of evening calories. Sounds really good, Caleb. I wish you well in your maintenance efforts. =c) |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 7, 6:10 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 6, 11:29 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message groups.com... On Feb 6, 8:42 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Doug Freyburger" wrote in message groups.com... "teachrmama" wrote: So do you think he deliberately plans to regain it? Or do you think he fails to plan (a maintenance program) therefore he "plans to fail" because of the lack of a maintenance program? That's it. The first year it was fails to plan. The second year it was fails to plan. By the fourth year it was plans to fail. Each year there has to be some expectation of learning. At some point it evolves from fails to plan to plans to fail to intends to regain. And nobody else here has ever done something similar (gaining and losing a number of times before they got it right)? Caleb is very up front with his successes and failures, so it's easy to criticize him. How many of us would like our successes and failures paraded out in similar fashion? I know I wouldn't!! (Or maybe I'm the only one here who ever lost, regained, lost, regained, before I finally got it right) I lose and regain as well. What I finally learned is that if I declare an end date that means I have declared a day when I plan on starting to regain. Lots of people on ASD have tried various ways to get that through to Caleb so I picked a way of saying that same thing that I couldn't find anyone else had used. Having phases last some number of days is fine. Having the diet last some number of days isn't. Though I lose and regain, I stay on some phase of my plan. It is a mental difference - Staying on plan is the right thing to do so when I am regaining I'm doing the wrong thing not returning to normal. I don't even consider the way I am choosing to eat now to be a diet. It is a way of life. I agree with you about arbitrary end dates. It's like saying that the train takes 12 hours to get to Chicago, aso I'm getting off in 12 hours no matter what. But telling somebody that the fact that they set an end date makes them an untouchable because they have don the same thing so many times before is not going to be helpful at all. I'm glad I was never given up on as hopeless. About the arbitrary deadline -- Well, we end school classes at a certain time (perhaps 50 minutes), pay taxes at a certain time, go in for yearly check-ups at a certain time, do Spring cleaning at a certain time. When I used to run long distances, I would set for myself a goal of getting to a distant point, and then once I made that point, I would set another goal. Seems to me that a lot of people do similar things, perhaps clean their houses while a certain record is playing, etc. Whatever it takes to help them focus on the task at hand and maintain their behavior over time. Perfection is certainly an ideal to be striven for, but if we tell people that perfection is required, as is the total commitment to a given way of behavior for the rest of their lives, I think a lot of people would be scared away, and a lot would see any faltering as clear proof that the goals are beyond them. Also it is unrealistic to demand that people comply with such a regimen, I think. Just my two cents about different methods of maintaining motivation over some difficult portions of time. Rather that a time goal, I do have a certain weight loss goal. That is when I will begin the Maintenance portion of my new way of life. I would certainly like to ahve reached my goal one year from when I started--but I will not change back to how I ate before when I getto ether the one year mark or the weight goal. And the way of eating I follow now is not a stringent "thou shalt not" sort of plan. It is liveable--which is why it is working for me. I agree with you about the perfection thing--even the smallest thing can spoil perfection, which makes it unworkable for the vast majority of the human race. So--just because I am insatiebly curious--how exactly are you setting up your eating program when you get to maintenance? You've mentioned the scale, but do you have any sort of a food plan in mind? =c) Teachrmama -- I don't know exactly exactly. My daughter is vegetarian and I certainly will emphasize the green and growing things. Limited meals, reasonable amounts of exercise, less or no beer -- those things all make sense to me. Like most people, i have difficulty tracking calories regularly but I sure am willing to do this if the scales show a reason to. And as I said, I'm taking pictures of myself each Monday evening and I will keep a series of those in my kitchen. It's too easy to forget where one has been as time goes on. Reminds me of the quote by the psychologist Zimbardo who said that the elderly think of themselves as young, only in older skin. I agree with that also with a lot of overweight people -- that is, they still think of themselves as less overweight. So I think pictorial evidence of previous overweight vs current standard weight is likely to be very useful. Indeed, perhaps a weekly picture from here on out will be useful. I think the scale is the most important thing, however, because it is the canary in the coal mine well before other important and negative consequences of overweight arise. The scale and I will continue to be great friends! (I'm thinking of hanging my car keys on it, and so whenever I drive somewhere, I will weigh myself. Might even help with global warming!) And of course other behavioral methods are good -- leave the kitchen at 7 PM and eat nothing more after that -- that by itself will save a lot of evening calories. Sounds really good, Caleb. I wish you well in your maintenance efforts. =c) Teachrmama -- Thanks for your words! These are the results of the three 100 Day programs I've completed thus far. (I tried to complete another one but got too involved in answering messages, etc.) Starting on 8-17-99 I went from 276 to 226, a loss of 50 pounds. On 8-10-01, I went from 241 to 200, a lost of 41 pounds, and On 8-19-02, I went from 239 pounds to 198 pounds. I'm pretty much on schedule now to match the early schedules - perhaps a pound behind the lines for the first and third schedule. All three of these were quite simple to do - very painless - and they certainly demonstrated to me the effectiveness of calorie restriction in losing weight. The three programs also demonstrated other things as well, including: 1. the problems with bad or distractive advice, 2. the need to focus on calories and exercise, 3. the need to just keep at it even if people are highly critical of what you are doing (it sure is the case that people live in food-toxic environments), 4. for me, the importance of daily weighing (this might bother some people but the way I do it is very motivating to me), 5. adopting a simple eating schedule with a limited variety of foods, and 6. avoiding bread and putting away the alcohol. (Also, if I eat too much in one day, I try to make up for it in the next several days.) I hope never to have to go on a weight control diet after this one but I sure know how to go about losing weight again if I do gain. Still then, I sure wish I was at appropriate weight right now, but that will come in the fullness of time. Again, this process is just not that painful. I am more fortunate than most people here on this Usenet group in terms of losing weight. I'm a guy, and so it's easier for me to lose weight than it would be for a woman. Also my weight is fairly high - 245 pounds - and so even carrying the extra 45 pounds requires about 585 calories a day (45 times 13). If I were a 130 pound female who didn't exercise, I'd need only about 130 times 11 calories to maintain my weight (1430). And any more than that and I probably would put on some weight (everything else being equal). I could eat 1430 in a big breakfast and still want another heap of pancakes - at least I could when I was eating freely. But those days are over. (Sigh!) On the other hand, I've heard nutritionists say that our dietary goals in general should be something like 1400 calories for women and 1700 calories for men. Sounds pretty glum to me but, as Franklin said, "We should eat to live and not live to eat!" I guess, suppose, can convince myself, etc., that he was right. Death and disability have a way of ruining our time here on earth. I'd hate to rush out early! Yours truly, Caleb Day 38, 20 pounds gone 265/245/200 (I hope I get to 200 by June) |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 7, 6:10 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 6, 11:29 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message groups.com... On Feb 6, 8:42 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Doug Freyburger" wrote in message groups.com... "teachrmama" wrote: So do you think he deliberately plans to regain it? Or do you think he fails to plan (a maintenance program) therefore he "plans to fail" because of the lack of a maintenance program? That's it. The first year it was fails to plan. The second year it was fails to plan. By the fourth year it was plans to fail. Each year there has to be some expectation of learning. At some point it evolves from fails to plan to plans to fail to intends to regain. And nobody else here has ever done something similar (gaining and losing a number of times before they got it right)? Caleb is very up front with his successes and failures, so it's easy to criticize him. How many of us would like our successes and failures paraded out in similar fashion? I know I wouldn't!! (Or maybe I'm the only one here who ever lost, regained, lost, regained, before I finally got it right) I lose and regain as well. What I finally learned is that if I declare an end date that means I have declared a day when I plan on starting to regain. Lots of people on ASD have tried various ways to get that through to Caleb so I picked a way of saying that same thing that I couldn't find anyone else had used. Having phases last some number of days is fine. Having the diet last some number of days isn't. Though I lose and regain, I stay on some phase of my plan. It is a mental difference - Staying on plan is the right thing to do so when I am regaining I'm doing the wrong thing not returning to normal. I don't even consider the way I am choosing to eat now to be a diet. It is a way of life. I agree with you about arbitrary end dates. It's like saying that the train takes 12 hours to get to Chicago, aso I'm getting off in 12 hours no matter what. But telling somebody that the fact that they set an end date makes them an untouchable because they have don the same thing so many times before is not going to be helpful at all. I'm glad I was never given up on as hopeless. About the arbitrary deadline -- Well, we end school classes at a certain time (perhaps 50 minutes), pay taxes at a certain time, go in for yearly check-ups at a certain time, do Spring cleaning at a certain time. When I used to run long distances, I would set for myself a goal of getting to a distant point, and then once I made that point, I would set another goal. Seems to me that a lot of people do similar things, perhaps clean their houses while a certain record is playing, etc. Whatever it takes to help them focus on the task at hand and maintain their behavior over time. Perfection is certainly an ideal to be striven for, but if we tell people that perfection is required, as is the total commitment to a given way of behavior for the rest of their lives, I think a lot of people would be scared away, and a lot would see any faltering as clear proof that the goals are beyond them. Also it is unrealistic to demand that people comply with such a regimen, I think. Just my two cents about different methods of maintaining motivation over some difficult portions of time. Rather that a time goal, I do have a certain weight loss goal. That is when I will begin the Maintenance portion of my new way of life. I would certainly like to ahve reached my goal one year from when I started--but I will not change back to how I ate before when I getto ether the one year mark or the weight goal. And the way of eating I follow now is not a stringent "thou shalt not" sort of plan. It is liveable--which is why it is working for me. I agree with you about the perfection thing--even the smallest thing can spoil perfection, which makes it unworkable for the vast majority of the human race. So--just because I am insatiebly curious--how exactly are you setting up your eating program when you get to maintenance? You've mentioned the scale, but do you have any sort of a food plan in mind? =c) Teachrmama -- I don't know exactly exactly. My daughter is vegetarian and I certainly will emphasize the green and growing things. Limited meals, reasonable amounts of exercise, less or no beer -- those things all make sense to me. Like most people, i have difficulty tracking calories regularly but I sure am willing to do this if the scales show a reason to. And as I said, I'm taking pictures of myself each Monday evening and I will keep a series of those in my kitchen. It's too easy to forget where one has been as time goes on. Reminds me of the quote by the psychologist Zimbardo who said that the elderly think of themselves as young, only in older skin. I agree with that also with a lot of overweight people -- that is, they still think of themselves as less overweight. So I think pictorial evidence of previous overweight vs current standard weight is likely to be very useful. Indeed, perhaps a weekly picture from here on out will be useful. I think the scale is the most important thing, however, because it is the canary in the coal mine well before other important and negative consequences of overweight arise. The scale and I will continue to be great friends! (I'm thinking of hanging my car keys on it, and so whenever I drive somewhere, I will weigh myself. Might even help with global warming!) And of course other behavioral methods are good -- leave the kitchen at 7 PM and eat nothing more after that -- that by itself will save a lot of evening calories. Sounds really good, Caleb. I wish you well in your maintenance efforts. =c) Teachrmama -- Thanks for your words! These are the results of the three 100 Day programs I've completed thus far. (I tried to complete another one but got too involved in answering messages, etc.) Starting on 8-17-99 I went from 276 to 226, a loss of 50 pounds. On 8-10-01, I went from 241 to 200, a lost of 41 pounds, and On 8-19-02, I went from 239 pounds to 198 pounds. I'm pretty much on schedule now to match the early schedules - perhaps a pound behind the lines for the first and third schedule. All three of these were quite simple to do - very painless - and they certainly demonstrated to me the effectiveness of calorie restriction in losing weight. The three programs also demonstrated other things as well, including: 1. the problems with bad or distractive advice, 2. the need to focus on calories and exercise, 3. the need to just keep at it even if people are highly critical of what you are doing (it sure is the case that people live in food-toxic environments), 4. for me, the importance of daily weighing (this might bother some people but the way I do it is very motivating to me), 5. adopting a simple eating schedule with a limited variety of foods, and 6. avoiding bread and putting away the alcohol. (Also, if I eat too much in one day, I try to make up for it in the next several days.) I hope never to have to go on a weight control diet after this one but I sure know how to go about losing weight again if I do gain. Still then, I sure wish I was at appropriate weight right now, but that will come in the fullness of time. Again, this process is just not that painful. I am more fortunate than most people here on this Usenet group in terms of losing weight. I'm a guy, and so it's easier for me to lose weight than it would be for a woman. Also my weight is fairly high - 245 pounds - and so even carrying the extra 45 pounds requires about 585 calories a day (45 times 13). If I were a 130 pound female who didn't exercise, I'd need only about 130 times 11 calories to maintain my weight (1430). And any more than that and I probably would put on some weight (everything else being equal). I could eat 1430 in a big breakfast and still want another heap of pancakes - at least I could when I was eating freely. But those days are over. (Sigh!) On the other hand, I've heard nutritionists say that our dietary goals in general should be something like 1400 calories for women and 1700 calories for men. Sounds pretty glum to me but, as Franklin said, "We should eat to live and not live to eat!" I guess, suppose, can convince myself, etc., that he was right. Death and disability have a way of ruining our time here on earth. I'd hate to rush out early! I certainly wish you the best, Caleb. I understand your desire to get rid of the unwanted weight quickly. I know, for me, going totally outside of my usual eating patterns just to solve the problem of excess pounds always came back and bit me in the proverbial tush later on, because I had not formed any good habits along the way. This time, I have adopted a way of eating that I can follow forever. Like you, I monitor my weight daily, and restrict my choices--but only for breakfast and lunch--dinner can be just about anything. (Tonight I baked some delicious honey-barbecue chicken--yum!!) I think, perhaps, the crux of your whole experience this time will be how you do in your maintenance phase. I hope you keep posting here so we can see how you do. ou certainly know well enough how calories work, and you have made a commitment not only to weight loss, but to maintaining that loss this time around. May January 08 see you looking back at January 07 as your last 100 day diet. =c) |
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Caleb, Mu here.
Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain? Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO. Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so few can or elect to do so. Scratch that. Person Spake: Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the assistance of exercise. Mu: I never said that exercise wasn't a valued assist. Considering I spent 7 years training athletes for asspennies, I would suggest that you are way out of Truth with your forcibly false interp of my comment. Imagine that. The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer. According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk) through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day in physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort. The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with the "overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one ingests (at least, it does for many of us).. I does so very few that the numbers are not relative at all. 95% of people fail on their diets. Take whatever % of those and add in exercise. They stop, they fail to continue to exercise. there is an entire industry that is built on the motel room concept. Check in, check out. Ask LA Fitness or Gold's Gym, as I have, to give you their rollover data. Or, take my own gyms. Even athletes crap out on training and exercise over time. Sure, the supremely committed, wealthy, no job, have oodles of spare time, they can do well in an exercise environment. The rest of us, not a chance if you believe you have to exercise to lose and control weight. On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more comfortably and with less injury. Indeed, that has been my own personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose tissue (VAT), Undeniably so, Andrew. Hey, that's pretty cool... On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: The truth is cool. I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that "training strategy". On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the more capable they physically become. When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough. In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good." The psychology of this is amazing, it revolves around the realistic view of what is truly discomforting and what is life endangering and what is truly nothing more than an inconvenience. Truth is absolute and invincible. "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:42:41 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote:
A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty. Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody along the way. [. . .] This tight knot community, of which I trained several ultra-athletes, not o one of them comes up on any search yet i watched them myself start and finish. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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friend Mu wrote:
Caleb, Mu here. Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain? Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO. Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so few can or elect to do so. Scratch that. Person Spake: Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the assistance of exercise. Mu: I never said that exercise wasn't a valued assist. Considering I spent 7 years training athletes for asspennies, I would suggest that you are way out of Truth with your forcibly false interp of my comment. Imagine that. The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer. According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk) through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day in physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort. The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with the "overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one ingests (at least, it does for many of us).. I does so very few that the numbers are not relative at all. 95% of people fail on their diets. Take whatever % of those and add in exercise. They stop, they fail to continue to exercise. there is an entire industry that is built on the motel room concept. Check in, check out. Ask LA Fitness or Gold's Gym, as I have, to give you their rollover data. Or, take my own gyms. Even athletes crap out on training and exercise over time. Sure, the supremely committed, wealthy, no job, have oodles of spare time, they can do well in an exercise environment. The rest of us, not a chance if you believe you have to exercise to lose and control weight. On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more comfortably and with less injury. Indeed, that has been my own personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose tissue (VAT), Undeniably so, Andrew. Hey, that's pretty cool... On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: The truth is cool. I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that "training strategy". On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the more capable they physically become. When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough. In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good." The psychology of this is amazing, it revolves around the realistic view of what is truly discomforting and what is life endangering and what is truly nothing more than an inconvenience. The truth is amazing. May you and I continue to be hungry. Truth is absolute and invincible. "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: convicted neighbor GaryG wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: snip Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more comfortably and with less injury. Indeed, that has been my own personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose tissue (VAT), Hey, that's pretty cool... The truth is cool. I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that "training strategy". The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the more capable they physically become. Bizarre... Truth seems bizarre to the untruthful. can you cite any studies or articles supporting this assertion (other than the voices in your head)? Simply recall the history of ex-champion Mike Tyson. It was lean&trim&hungry Mike Tyson that was feared. When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match with his/her competitor, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough. Again...any proof of this? This is common knowledge. LORD Almighty GOD is the Source of all true knowledge and wisdom. Your lack of knowledge simply shows you are without GOD's favor. In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good." Yeah, I heard the Auschwitz 10,000 meter relay team was world class. Starving people are not hungry. BTW - as usual, you ducked my earlier question: "Have you ever actually completed an ultramarathon...?" In the Holy Spirit, I know HE has made me able. You asserted in your post above that you were capable of running an "ultramarathon" (typically, 50 or 100 miles, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon ). Have you done so, or is this just another delusion of grandeur on your part? It is knowledge from the Holy Spirit. Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Marana tha ! Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 8, 8:38 am, Mu wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:42:41 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote: A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty. Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody along the way. [. . .] This tight knot community, of which I trained several ultra-athletes, not o one of them comes up on any search yet i watched them myself start and finish. Did you train Chung? has he run an ultramarathon? What was his time? |
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Chung Still a Whacko - thinks he can run an ultramarathon (with no training and little food)
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
oups.com... convicted neighbor GaryG wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: convicted neighbor GaryG wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: snip Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more comfortably and with less injury. Indeed, that has been my own personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose tissue (VAT), Hey, that's pretty cool... The truth is cool. I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that "training strategy". The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the more capable they physically become. Bizarre... Truth seems bizarre to the untruthful. No...you seem bizarre to the rational. can you cite any studies or articles supporting this assertion (other than the voices in your head)? Simply recall the history of ex-champion Mike Tyson. Or, in other words, "No", you can't. It was lean&trim&hungry Mike Tyson that was feared. When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match with his/her competitor, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough. Again...any proof of this? This is common knowledge. No, it's not. LORD Almighty GOD is the Source of all true knowledge and wisdom. Your lack of knowledge simply shows you are without GOD's favor. Your thinking that you have "God's favor" is pretty ironic...did your God "favor" you when he got you fired from your one and only job as a cardiologist after less than 3 months? In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good." Yeah, I heard the Auschwitz 10,000 meter relay team was world class. Starving people are not hungry. BTW - as usual, you ducked my earlier question: "Have you ever actually completed an ultramarathon...?" In the Holy Spirit, I know HE has made me able. Or, in other words, "No", you've never actually run an ultramarathon, or a standard marathon. You asserted in your post above that you were capable of running an "ultramarathon" (typically, 50 or 100 miles, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon ). Have you done so, or is this just another delusion of grandeur on your part? It is knowledge from the Holy Spirit. Be careful with that...if the "Holy Spirit" voice in your head tells you that you can fly off of a tall building because you've been granted "God's favor", you may find that the laws of science can trump your most fevered faith. Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: Clearly, you remain possessed by the voices in your head. GG http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convects May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirat/TheWay Marana tha ! Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardialogy.com |
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