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On Wed, 9 May 2007 22:09:31 -0500, Del Cecchi wrote:
"doug lerner" wrote in message oups.com... I'm sure many of you have seen this New York Times article already. I find it both fascinating and, to be honest, somewhat discouraging. Particularly the part about metabolism changes. doug Isn't it strange that apparently the genetic composition of the average person in the US has changed considerably in the last 40 years, since such a high percentage of people are now overweight or obese. The percentage is much higher than say 40 or 50 years ago. I never realized genetic composition of the population could change that fast. del (sarcasm alert) Oh good, someone had the same thought I did. I didn't think genetic composition changed quite that quickly in humans either. I also questioned the entire lack of any mention of exercise in the study. Sure, feed someone only 600 calories a day and they'll lose weight... but how much of it is muscle and not just fat? If you lose a lot of metabolically active tissue like muscle, that definitely sets a stage for regain. -- Cynthia 262/243/152 |
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doug lerner wrote:
I'm sure many of you have seen this New York Times article already. I find it both fascinating and, to be honest, somewhat discouraging. Particularly the part about metabolism changes. doug ----- I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php |
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I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. |
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"George" wrote in message t... I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one reason or another. del |
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doug lerner writes:
I'm sure many of you have seen this New York Times article already. I find it both fascinating and, to be honest, somewhat discouraging. Particularly the part about metabolism changes. Well, regarding the genes, there was a study in the UK where a 'fat gene' was found. It's apparently very common among white Europeans and hence presumably also among white people in North America. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547891.stm But even then, it's not like people have to be obese, fat genes or not. |
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Del Cecchi wrote:
"George" wrote in message t... I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one reason or another. del I'll bite. What reason or another? -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php |
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"Cheese" wrote in message news:esY1i.392$uf2.316@llnews... Del Cecchi wrote: "George" wrote in message t... I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one reason or another. del I'll bite. What reason or another? -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more than any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in trouble over his expenses every business trip because of what he spent on food. As in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says " how was everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say "sure, I'll have another one of those" and eat another whole steak dinner with potato and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food at the cafeteria, back when that would hardly fit on a tray. So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally thin, as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is because her thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep reefing on her to gain weight. I would put her in a different category. del |
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Del Cecchi wrote:
"Cheese" wrote in message news:esY1i.392$uf2.316@llnews... Del Cecchi wrote: "George" wrote in message t... I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one reason or another. del I'll bite. What reason or another? -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more than any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in trouble over his expenses every business trip because of what he spent on food. As in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says " how was everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say "sure, I'll have another one of those" and eat another whole steak dinner with potato and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food at the cafeteria, back when that would hardly fit on a tray. So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally thin, as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is because her thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep reefing on her to gain weight. I would put her in a different category. del 2 dozen huge meals doesn't make someone fat. I'm the "All-you-can-eat" champ among my larger friends while weighing in at 160 pounds. Especially when we're out on the road for business. After those meals have passed I'm right back to 2000 calories/day and my weight maintains exactly as it should. They call me "naturally thin" too. It's not real. It's an illusion that those who know little about calories in vs. calories out fall for all the time. I'll bet the examples you've given are the same. Big meal while you're watching then cutting back the rest of the week/month and they're stereotyped as "naturally thin." I'm not on weight watchers but I believe they have some sort of bonus points system? It's the same concept. Splurging is permitted as long as over time that splurge can be corrected for with a deficit. I think if you monitor the "naturally thin" more closely you'll see what I mean. Somewhere you'll see a small meal or a large exercise you didn't know anything about. -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php |
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On 9 May 2007 17:25:44 -0700, doug lerner wrote:
The Rockefeller researchers explained their observations in one of their papers: "It is entirely possible that weight reduction, instead of resulting in a normal state for obese patients, results in an abnormal state resembling that of starved nonobese individuals." Doug, but that's what these people are, starved non-obese individuals. (who would not be non-obese if they were not starved). i |
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Cheese wrote:
Del Cecchi wrote: "Cheese" wrote in message news:esY1i.392$uf2.316@llnews... Del Cecchi wrote: "George" wrote in message t... I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's. Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them. It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to fight cravings. I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one reason or another. del I'll bite. What reason or another? -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more than any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in trouble over his expenses every business trip because of what he spent on food. As in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says " how was everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say "sure, I'll have another one of those" and eat another whole steak dinner with potato and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food at the cafeteria, back when that would hardly fit on a tray. So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally thin, as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is because her thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep reefing on her to gain weight. I would put her in a different category. del 2 dozen huge meals doesn't make someone fat. I'm the "All-you-can-eat" champ among my larger friends while weighing in at 160 pounds. Especially when we're out on the road for business. After those meals have passed I'm right back to 2000 calories/day and my weight maintains exactly as it should. They call me "naturally thin" too. It's not real. It's an illusion that those who know little about calories in vs. calories out fall for all the time. I'll bet the examples you've given are the same. Big meal while you're watching then cutting back the rest of the week/month and they're stereotyped as "naturally thin." I'm not on weight watchers but I believe they have some sort of bonus points system? It's the same concept. Splurging is permitted as long as over time that splurge can be corrected for with a deficit. I think if you monitor the "naturally thin" more closely you'll see what I mean. Somewhere you'll see a small meal or a large exercise you didn't know anything about. Sorry that isn't true. I have worked with one of them for over 30 years. And he has been thin the whole time. You can call them freaks of nature or whatever, but they are naturally thin. They are not people dieting in the closet. Just like some people seem to lack whatever system that normally regulates weight gain without conscious control, others seem to have it to a high degree. In the world there are many people whose weight is stable for long periods without conscious intervention on their part. -- Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.” |
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