Genes and weight

doug lerner wrote:
I'm sure many of you have seen this New York Times article already. I
find it both fascinating and, to be honest, somewhat discouraging.
Particularly the part about metabolism changes.

doug

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I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes
the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder
than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut
calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years.
They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally
thin") that makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's.
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I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin". The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes the
same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's harder than
weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation and cut calories
for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for 60+ years. They deserve
credit for their accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that
makes it seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's.


Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some people
have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning, where we
convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and must be avoided.
These people avoid the problem foods relatively automatically and without
struggling because they no longer crave them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks for
whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These are the
people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like them than to
fight cravings.

"George" wrote in message
t...

I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin".
The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes
the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's
harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation
and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for
60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some
label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is
easier than anyone else's.


Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some
people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning,
where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and
must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively
automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks
for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These
are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like
them than to fight cravings.
I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one
reason or another.

del

doug lerner writes:

I'm sure many of you have seen this New York Times article already. I
find it both fascinating and, to be honest, somewhat discouraging.
Particularly the part about metabolism changes.

Well, regarding the genes, there was a study in the UK where a 'fat
gene' was found. It's apparently very common among white Europeans and
hence presumably also among white people in North America. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547891.stm

But even then, it's not like people have to be obese, fat genes or
not.

Del Cecchi wrote:
"George" wrote in message
t...
I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin".
The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It takes
the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything it's
harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep motivation
and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut calories for
60+ years. They deserve credit for their accomplishment, not some
label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem like their journey is
easier than anyone else's.

Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some
people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning,
where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and
must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively
automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are folks
for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal. These
are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think like
them than to fight cravings.
I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one
reason or another.

del


I'll bite. What reason or another?

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Del Cecchi wrote:
"George" wrote in message
t...
I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin".
The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It
takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything
it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep
motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut
calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their
accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem
like their journey is easier than anyone else's.

Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some
people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning,
where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and
must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively
automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave
them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are
folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal.
These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think
like them than to fight cravings.
I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one
reason or another.

del


I'll bite. What reason or another?

--

Cheese

http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more than
any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in trouble over
his expenses every business trip because of what he spent on food. As
in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says " how was
everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say "sure, I'll
have another one of those" and eat another whole steak dinner with potato
and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food at the cafeteria, back
when that would hardly fit on a tray.

So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally thin,
as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is because her
thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep reefing on her
to gain weight. I would put her in a different category.

del

Del Cecchi wrote:
"Cheese" wrote in message
news:esY1i.392$uf2.316@llnews...
Del Cecchi wrote:
"George" wrote in message
t...
I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin".
The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It
takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything
it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep
motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut
calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their
accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it seem
like their journey is easier than anyone else's.

Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some
people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning,
where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and
must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively
automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave
them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are
folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal.
These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to think
like them than to fight cravings.
I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for one
reason or another.

del


I'll bite. What reason or another?

--

Cheese

http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more than
any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in trouble over
his expenses every business trip because of what he spent on food. As
in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says " how was
everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say "sure, I'll
have another one of those" and eat another whole steak dinner with potato
and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food at the cafeteria, back
when that would hardly fit on a tray.

So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally thin,
as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is because her
thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep reefing on her
to gain weight. I would put her in a different category.

del



2 dozen huge meals doesn't make someone fat. I'm the "All-you-can-eat"
champ among my larger friends while weighing in at 160 pounds.
Especially when we're out on the road for business. After those meals
have passed I'm right back to 2000 calories/day and my weight maintains
exactly as it should. They call me "naturally thin" too. It's not
real. It's an illusion that those who know little about calories in vs.
calories out fall for all the time. I'll bet the examples you've given
are the same. Big meal while you're watching then cutting back the rest
of the week/month and they're stereotyped as "naturally thin."

I'm not on weight watchers but I believe they have some sort of bonus
points system? It's the same concept. Splurging is permitted as long
as over time that splurge can be corrected for with a deficit.

I think if you monitor the "naturally thin" more closely you'll see what
I mean. Somewhere you'll see a small meal or a large exercise you
didn't know anything about.
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Cheese

http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

On 9 May 2007 17:25:44 -0700, doug lerner wrote:
The Rockefeller researchers explained their observations in one of
their papers: "It is entirely possible that weight reduction, instead
of resulting in a normal state for obese patients, results in an
abnormal state resembling that of starved nonobese individuals."

Doug, but that's what these people are, starved non-obese
individuals. (who would not be non-obese if they were not starved).

i

Cheese wrote:
Del Cecchi wrote:

"Cheese" wrote in message
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Del Cecchi wrote:

"George" wrote in message
t...

I discredited the study when they used the term, "naturally thin".
The
term is "maintenance" and it isn't any easier than dieting. It
takes the same commitment, willpower and sacrifices. If anything
it's harder than weight loss due to duration. Anybody can keep
motivation and cut calories for 2 years. Only the strong can cut
calories for 60+ years. They deserve credit for their
accomplishment, not some label ("naturally thin") that makes it
seem like their journey is easier than anyone else's.

Yes it takes strength to maintain weight on a lifelong basis. Some
people have found that this is made easier by mental conditioning,
where we convince ourselves that "problem" foods are bad for us and
must be avoided. These people avoid the problem foods relatively
automatically and without struggling because they no longer crave
them.

It's true that there are no "naturally thin" folks, but there are
folks for whom fatty foods and overeating naturally have no appeal.
These are the people who remain thin naturally. It's easier to
think like them than to fight cravings.

I beg to differ. I know several folks that are naturally thin for
one reason or another.

del


I'll bite. What reason or another?

--

Cheese

http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php


I don't know. But one of them fidgets constantly. Another ate more
than any normal human and weighed about 150. He used to get in
trouble over his expenses every business trip because of what he spent
on food. As in, the server comes near the end of the meal and says "
how was everything, can I get you anything more, and he would say
"sure, I'll have another one of those" and eat another whole steak
dinner with potato and salad. He used to eat 5 dollars worth of food
at the cafeteria, back when that would hardly fit on a tray.

So for one reason or another, not known to me, they are naturally
thin, as opposed to the young woman I know who is thin but it is
because her thyroid and maybe other stuff is messed up. Doctors keep
reefing on her to gain weight. I would put her in a different category.

del



2 dozen huge meals doesn't make someone fat. I'm the "All-you-can-eat"
champ among my larger friends while weighing in at 160 pounds.
Especially when we're out on the road for business. After those meals
have passed I'm right back to 2000 calories/day and my weight maintains
exactly as it should. They call me "naturally thin" too. It's not
real. It's an illusion that those who know little about calories in vs.
calories out fall for all the time. I'll bet the examples you've given
are the same. Big meal while you're watching then cutting back the rest
of the week/month and they're stereotyped as "naturally thin."

I'm not on weight watchers but I believe they have some sort of bonus
points system? It's the same concept. Splurging is permitted as long
as over time that splurge can be corrected for with a deficit.

I think if you monitor the "naturally thin" more closely you'll see what
I mean. Somewhere you'll see a small meal or a large exercise you
didn't know anything about.

Sorry that isn't true. I have worked with one of them for over 30
years. And he has been thin the whole time. You can call them freaks
of nature or whatever, but they are naturally thin. They are not people
dieting in the closet. Just like some people seem to lack whatever
system that normally regulates weight gain without conscious control,
others seem to have it to a high degree.

In the world there are many people whose weight is stable for long
periods without conscious intervention on their part.

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Del Cecchi
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strategies or opinions.”