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Hi,
On 10-Apr-2004, "marengo" wrote:

| Translation services brought to you free of charge by Carmen. G

LMAO!

Thank you. :-)

By the way I manage a business where cutomer service is everything
(a hotel); we do all we can to please our guests. The hotel I
manage
is a rather upscale brand, and we maintain certain brand standards.
Occassionally someone will come in who is obviously not in the right
hotel for their needs. If they cannot be satisfied with the product
that
pleases 99.9999% of our customers, sometimes we suggest that they
might be
happier at the Best Value Inn across the street.

Translated:
We do not allow guests to throw keg parties in the elevators nor do we
encourage streaking, filling the hot tubs with Jell-O, burping
contests in the lobby, asking room service for ramen noodles and Cheez
Whiz, putting flip-flops out for shoe shine service or swimming in the
pool in cut-offs. G

I bet that they threw a party at that grocery store after Normie was
out the door, and sang a nice loud chorus of "Thank God And
Greyhound You're
Gone!" Why would they worry about his $20 when for every dollar bill
he
didn't spend, ten more were spent by those attracted by the Atkins
product
sign?

A single bachelor male's purchases of beer, beans and weenies and
Sports Illustrated is hardly going to break them, is it? ;-)
The problem with this sort of petulant display is one must be a
customer of longstanding AND sufficient value to offset any losses
that the establishment would incur if that business were to cater to
the irate customer. Without the support of a large number of
customers, someone like Normie is just going to be an amusing story
for the manager to tell his or her family at the end of the day.

The store can get new customers, but Normie will always be an
asshole. Who's the winner, and who's the loser?

One wonders how many stores Normie can find that do not have low carb
products in them. Methinks he'd best get used to shopping in small
ethnic groceries. G That's the only place I haven't seen the
stuff.

take care,
Carmen

In article ,
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:24:30 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:

Thanks for the encouragement . I'm still going to hang around here. Mostly
because the great recipes and exercise advice. This thing i'm doing now
isn't exactly low carb in the traditional sense, but cutting out excess
sugar (junk food) is still a part of it, like any good way of eatting should
be of course.
"Carmen" wrote in message

I totally agree with that !!!!!
I have always felt that junk food and excess sugar should be cut out
or at least kept to a minimum.


Did you know that a bagel has as much sugar as a donut? Yet you would
encourage me to eat a bagel instead of a salad with shrimp? I'm not an
Atkins follower, but the diet I made up for myself seems to be close to the
Atkins plan. I simply stopped eating foods that either made me sleepy after
eating them or didn't satisfy my appetite but instead triggered binges.
Then lo and behold I find I'm losing weight, and I find out that I'm
actually doing a low-carb diet.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:51:23 GMT, "Carmen"
wrote:

Hi Sleepy,
On 10-Apr-2004, Sleepyman wrote:

We polluted his beloved diabetes group with crossposts.

You polluted my diabetes group with OT troll crossposts. You seem to
have learned your lesson though!

Actually, that was the result of the Mu/Chung/Pastorio wars. ASDLC
itself was but another one of their battlegrounds, just like ASD and
the cardiology group. There was no concerted effort on ASDLCers parts
to go annoy the diabetes group. There are a number of members in
common, but that's all.

but less overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy
(aka
Normal) almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars.

Bite your tongue!

If you've been reading the diabetes group today you'll see Mu is back.
The Mu/Chung/Pastorio wars have already resumed. Just a heads-up.
ASDLC doesn't start this stuff. We just attract the folks who do.
:-)

Take care,
Carmen

Hey Carm, Hope you enjoy Easter,

I have Mu/Chung Bob, Doe, Martini, and their minion sockpuppet trolls
all killfiled, and re-killfiled after morphing. The problem is that
the people in this group continued X Posting after being asked not to.
I realize that some peoples newsreaders don't warn them when they
crosspost, but I check headers. A lot of posters were using Agent,
which asks you if you want to post to all newsgroups the message has
been posted to, and tells you how many groups that is. There have been
many of those threads. The cave man diet thread was especially
useless.

What I was referring to specifically was the Gay Marriage debacle that
generated countless posts. Many a day the only posts in ASD on that
topic were the X Posted ones from people here! And all that did was
drag more and more posters into the endless spiral into the toilet.
And then being told that it was my fault that I hadn't killfiled the
guilty parties from here! Justifiable anger I do believe.

Yea I saw the X Posts from Mu today, so I assume the rest have
followed him in. Oh well, at least Mu does post some good humor on
occasion.

Talk to you later,

Sleepy

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:29:49 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:58:08 GMT, The King of Pots and Pans
wrote:

You aren't using the group for what it was intended. It was intended
to support each other; giving support to those who follow the low carb
way of eating. So you are not on topic; hence the troll word.


Support means helping those who need help. People doing the Atkins
diet need lots of help. But the help they need is getting OFF the
diet. That's my opinion, based on personal exeprience with my former
spouse, and with that being given by many doctors and other
professionals. When are you people going to wake up. Unfortunately,
most of you will only see the light as you lay on your death bed. You
are all part of a multi million dollar scam, and you're buying into
it, because you are brainwashed into it. And if you dont like the use
of that word, you're being controlled by it, same difference.

And as far as the word TROLL, well, the real trolls are those that
repeatedly use that word and dont add anything useful to the topic.


I don't generally agree with the writhing masses, but your continual
use of the PETA scum, as refernces and cites for your posts have
forced me to agree with them in this case. I have come to the
conclusion that you are indeed a troll. I think you, not your wife, is
the one that went off their nut. Your obsession is not helping the
state of your mental health. Those replying to you, in kind, are as
guilty as you are in the trolling department. Stop beating a dead
horse.

Sleepy

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:00:38 GMT, "Carmen"
wrote:

Hi Sleepy,
On 10-Apr-2004, Sleepyman wrote:

I do believe in low or I suppose around here it would be lower carb
diet, as I am forced to be due to my disease. My only argument here
is with the extremist element.

Most newsgroups have an extremist element, and I think diet groups
have to have one. It's the law or something. G Your lower carb
diet isn't Atkins or Protein Power low, but it's still a low carb
diet. For we diabetics it makes sense to lower carb intake.

Your best bet is to nod politely or ignore the Martha
Morelowcarbthanyou folks the same as you would that rabid cousin who
keeps telling you that your purchase of Nike shoes is morally
equivalent to keeping a slave. They aren't going to go away, their
position stems from a belief system. No amount of logic can dislodge
a belief - just look at religious disputes.

Take care,
Carmen

I have pretty much ignored the more obvious ones. Some come flying out
of their little holes with the fangs out and the venom loaded when you
least expect it though. You are right in that most NGs have an
extremist element, however it seems that most of the more rational
people must have been driven out by the atkins kooks. I don't see
atkins in the name of this group, but atkins does seem to be the
company line around here. But what can you do. Take what you need and
leave the rest seems to be the most obvious solution.

Sleepy

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"DigitalVinyl" wrote ...
wrote:

I told him exactly how I feel about
Atkins, his diet, and his cult. I told him that if he is advertising
a diet that the AMA and most doctors believe is dangerous to ones
health, causing clogged arteries, heart attacks, and mental health
problems. I went on to tell him that he is not looking out for the
health of his customers, by advertising the Atkins diet, but instead
is selling out to greed.

You KNOW they all laughed at you when you walked away.

Absolutely - no matter how politely that manager smiled and nodded through
the tirade, you can bet your ass he and every staff member and customer
within earshot ****ed themselves laughing the second this knuckle-dragging
looney was out of earshot.

And really, take the tin helmet off--trust me the aliens don't need
anything that you've got rattling around in that skull.

LOL


And just to make my point real clear, I whipped out a few 20's from my
wallet,

Flashing money being the final, incontrovertible proof that you're a
complete ****** ...


Rachel
(New Zealand)
wondering how much it will take to completely push this **** over the edge
....

Karen Rodgers wrote:

Oh, you posted enough to make a normal person run like hell, all
right, as far away from you as possible. I had a small spark of
sympathy when you posted about your wife. But its evaporated like
water on a hot summer sidewalk.

I must disagree; my sympathy for his wife increases with each post.

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"Carmen" wrote ...

Most newsgroups have an extremist element, and I think diet groups
have to have one. It's the law or something. G Your lower carb
diet isn't Atkins or Protein Power low, but it's still a low carb
diet. For we diabetics it makes sense to lower carb intake.

I think Atkins is like the embodiment of all low carb diets - because it's
the best known it's getting all the coverage, which just reinforces people's
misconception that all low carb = Atkins.

Atkins is probably the most extreme, especially when most of the reporting
only covers the induction phase, not the other phases.

I haven't personally seen much evidence of people espousing one low carb
method over another. Like everywhere else, Atkins probably gets a little
more bandwidth around here because it's got the highest profile. Many people
seem to start off with the basics a la Atkins and then modify it to suit
themselves, which seems to me the most sensible way to do it.

Some may feel that Atkins started it and others are copying, putting their
own spin on it and making money, but if it's getting the message out there
that low carb is a valid and healthy way of life, it's good for all of us in
the long run.

IMO the more variations of low carb there are, the greater the chances of it
becoming mainstream instead of being dismissed as one man's quackery. If
it's worth copying, that seems to give it more validity.

Rachel
(New Zealand)

"Sleepyman" wrote ...

While I think there are many who believe atkins is a god, and his
words should be followed as a fundie thinks the bible is the literal
translation of god's word,

For some folks low carb probably seems like a miracle/life-saver when all
else had failed - when other weight loss plans didn't work or when following
the standard diabetic diet made matters worse.

As atkins seems to be the personification of low carb I'm sure there are
some parallels with [insert favourite deity here] for some people.


Rachel
(New Zealand)

Supergoof burbled across the ether:
"Sleepyman" wrote ...

While I think there are many who believe atkins is a god, and his
words should be followed as a fundie thinks the bible is the literal
translation of god's word,

For some folks low carb probably seems like a miracle/life-saver when
all else had failed - when other weight loss plans didn't work or
when following the standard diabetic diet made matters worse.

As atkins seems to be the personification of low carb I'm sure there
are some parallels with [insert favourite deity here] for some people.

And then it fades. And life goes on. It's a standard part of any
epiphany.

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
A good pun is its own punishment.