Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat

I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping
active?

On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
18262.invalid wrote:
I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate, but if you have genes that make you likely to
live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:27:07 -0700, wrote:
On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
18262.invalid wrote:
I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this
one.

That is a solid approach.

The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is
good for you at any rate, but if you have genes that make you likely
to live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch
our cholesterol intake though. dkw

Evidence (as in "scientific evidence") of impact of meat, or fat, on
cholesterol is not as clear cut. Evidence of effect of "cholesterol
intake" on body cholesterol is even less clear cut. Same applies to
evidence of dangers of high cholesterol.

i

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping
active?


I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep
active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but
anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough.

i

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On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
18262.invalid wrote:
I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate,

Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is
this a form of mass mind control?

I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was Trigs=47,
HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208.
My doctor didn't seem worried about that.


but if you have genes that make you likely to
live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw


Right.

Jackie Patti wrote:
wrote:


I thought I "knew" all this stuff a couple decades ago. I mean, I was a
biochemist! But the stuff they've discovered since - there's such an
incredible amount of research into things like CLA and vitamin K2 that
just weren't there a couple decades ago.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that eating the way my
great-grandparents did is the primary thing to do to protect my heart.
There was almost no heart disease back then and they had never even
heard of cholesterol.


There is no "Scientific Proof" that the modern food supply which has
cheap corn as the basis for our fattened meats (pork, beef, poultry) and
corn based chemistry as common ingredients (such as HFCS) is more
"Healthy" than the old fashioned way of eating which included grass fed
beef, for example (with lower concentration of Saturated Fat).

We are the guinae pigs of an uncontrolled industrial food experiment.
There isn't a control group, and it is certainly not double blind either.

wrote:

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.

Have you looked at the scientific evidence? Most of what I've seen
shows improved lipid panels on a low-carb diet.

The exception seems to be triglycerides; for some folks that number
doesn't improve.

The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet.

Of course, if you have a functional liver, you make WAY more then
cholesterol than you'd ever eat even if you live on an all-egg diet.

I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate, but if you have genes that make you likely to
live to 100, then it might not matter.

A hundred years ago, there was almost no heart disease. People largely
lived on farms and ate pasture-raised eggs, chicken, beef, pork, lard,
etc. And piles of organic fruits and veggies.

Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

Dietary intake of cholesterol has almost no effect on blood levels
though cause of your liver making so much of it.

At first, they said it was blood levels of cholesterol. Then they said
it was not having the HDL high enough and the LDL too low. Lately,
they've discovered even more details... a particular type of LDL is the
bad one. And there's lots of other blood markers relating to heart
disease risk, in short, that the inflammation markers in your blood have
much more influence on your heart risk than cholesterol does. Low serum
vitamin D is a bad risk factor. High serum insulin is a risk factor.
And elevated bg is a MUCH higher risk for heart attacks than cholesterol!

I thought I "knew" all this stuff a couple decades ago. I mean, I was a
biochemist! But the stuff they've discovered since - there's such an
incredible amount of research into things like CLA and vitamin K2 that
just weren't there a couple decades ago.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that eating the way my
great-grandparents did is the primary thing to do to protect my heart.
There was almost no heart disease back then and they had never even
heard of cholesterol.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
...
I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping
active?


I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep
active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but
anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough.

i

That's not too bad.

On Sep 28, 11:50 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
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On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
18262.invalid wrote:
I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate,

Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is
this a form of mass mind control?

I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was Trigs=47,
HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208.
My doctor didn't seem worried about that.

but if you have genes that make you likely to

live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

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No conspiracy theories please, at least not with cholesterol. Just
don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you
unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all
that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe
you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary.
You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is
plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets
are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming
from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody
has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of
those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest
in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already
suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If
you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not
scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw