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Are muscular men more at risk than scrawny men?
GaryG wrote:
"Peabody" wrote in message news:81i2d.284930$sh.18342@fed1read06... It is said, by some, that using BMI (Body Mass Index) as a risk factor for heart disease is invalid with respect to muscular men because BMI only takes into account total body weight and height, not the percent bodyfat. So, for example, a gymnast might have a high BMI because he is heavily muscled, and be classified as obese, even though he is not really at risk. And then I see Dr. Chung talking about "ideal" weight, without making any distinctions about body type. My question is whether there is any research that shows whether being heavily muscled, but with low bodyfat, still puts a man more at risk than someone who is scrawny, assuming both get lots of exercise. Is there any indication that being muscular is indeed as risky as being fat, and that BMI is therefore valid for all body types? I ask this because I have a number of risk factors (age, sex, family history, smoking when younger, and hypertension), but at 5'10" and 172, didn't really consider myself to be overweight because, well, I have a flat belly (33" waist, 42" chest), no love handles, and only one chin. And when last measured, my bodyfat was 12%. But I'm sure I'm well above Dr. Chung's ideal wieght for my height, and I'm just beginning to wonder about it all. What I'm really asking is whether there have been any studies that specifically address this issue. I've been unable to find any. Those are excellent questions! Unfortunately, I've seen no research that specifically studied the mortality risks of heavily muscled men (i.e., those with high BMI's but low body fat percentage). Hopefully, if such research has been done someone else will post a link. As for yourself - at your height and weight, your Body Mass Index is currently 24.7, which is in the Normal range. In a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that involved one million subjects, they found that for men the low point in the mortality curve was at BMI's of 23.5 and 24.9 (the study can be found at http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/15/1097 - you may need to register to view it). So, based on that large-scale study of mortality and BMI, your current Body Mass Index looks great (especially in light of your low body fat, and your presumably active lifestyle). As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) GG You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love. Please consider the following to save yourself: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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GaryG wrote:
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message news:1095439982.dYOcUHbHzhMP46QPJldDSw@teranews... GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. Nonetheless you remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob |
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"Bob (this one)" wrote in message ... Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob "Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone. Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk? |
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"Bob (this one)" wrote in message ... Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob "Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone. Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk? |
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"Bob (this one)" wrote in message ... Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob "Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone. Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk? |
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Jim Bard wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message ... Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob "Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone. Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk? LOL As perfect a three-sentence testimonial as I've heard for Chung. Can't find any fault with it and am awed by the full range of its inclusiveness and its quotation marks. Chung couldn't ask for a better endorsement. Well, he could, but... You know. Bob |
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Jim Bard wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message ... Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: GaryG wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote GaryG wrote: As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell from his cryptic reply to your post. A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+troll Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits: http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu ng+idiot And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49 For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-) Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is and say so. The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko. As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears - that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a few years, and you add those words to each of your posts. The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating from a psychological perspective. GG The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling. Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be true. This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist and His servant. LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to check?)... LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet, the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more posts than anybody else. God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked posts he generates. The man is incapable of learning... Bob "Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone. Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk? LOL As perfect a three-sentence testimonial as I've heard for Chung. Can't find any fault with it and am awed by the full range of its inclusiveness and its quotation marks. Chung couldn't ask for a better endorsement. Well, he could, but... You know. Bob |
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