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Old April 5th, 2009, 04:47 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
doug lerner
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug

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Old April 5th, 2009, 05:43 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
douglerner
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I
signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved
from my previous online experience.

I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been
assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points.

If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to
approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories.

Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a
mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They
call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List."

doug

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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Dee Flint
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers.

As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories of
food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying
attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long
before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is
basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a
time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core
users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating,
decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no
longer hungry.

It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to
have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual physical
hunger not emotional hunger.


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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:51 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

I did Core, very successfully for over 4 years.

The point of Core is learning to stop when you are satisfied (not full), so
you have to listen to your body hunger signals.

That means that you might WANT another serving of fish or chicken, but if
you're not hungry anymore, then you can't have it.

If works for me, it has also for a lot of people I know.

Core foods aren't "free foods"... or magic foods, they still have calories.

Will~

"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug



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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:52 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Ron[_2_]
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers.

As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories
of food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying
attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long
before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is
basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a
time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly.
Core users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop
eating, decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you
are no longer hungry.

It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to
have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual
physical hunger not emotional hunger.


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life,
requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a
healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance
rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve
slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who
constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow -
in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand
this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally.
Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to
take it.



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Old April 6th, 2009, 02:59 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

we have several women in my weekly meeting who only did core to lose 80/100
pounds, the trick to the core plan is finding out what is a reasonable
portion for you, for me, 3 ounces of beef is more than enough, but for
others, six ounces is reasonable, no matter how you cut it, 12 ounces every
meal isn't reasonable. This new filling food plan might be something you
look at, i haven't studied it enough to discuss it, as core isn't a workable
thing for me because i need an outside factor to portion my intake, Lee
"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug



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Old April 6th, 2009, 03:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

good luck, read every article you can the more you understand the better it
seems to work, Lee
"douglerner" wrote in message
...
I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I
signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved
from my previous online experience.

I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been
assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points.

If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to
approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories.

Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a
mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They
call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List."

doug



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Old April 6th, 2009, 03:02 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

and that is why it doesn't work for me, i have a disconect from hungry to
full, the only things i can identify is"so hungry i have the shakes" and
"man i ate wayyyy too much" it is much more senseble to eat the core way
but it can't be for me, at least not while i am losing, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
message ...
I did Core, very successfully for over 4 years.

The point of Core is learning to stop when you are satisfied (not full),
so you have to listen to your body hunger signals.

That means that you might WANT another serving of fish or chicken, but if
you're not hungry anymore, then you can't have it.

If works for me, it has also for a lot of people I know.

Core foods aren't "free foods"... or magic foods, they still have
calories.

Will~

"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug





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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:31 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
douglerner
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

On Apr 6, 10:59*am, "Stormmee" wrote:

This new filling food plan might be something you
look at, i haven't studied it enough to discuss it, as core isn't a workable
thing for me because i need an outside factor to portion my intake.


I need a control factor too I think.

I looked over Filling Foods and the food list and the guidelines and
to be honest I cannot find a whit of difference from the old "Core"
plan.

doug

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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stephanie[_2_]
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Default Are there successful Core losers out there?

Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I
am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back
to Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept
it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core
losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the
categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for
example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key
as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You
stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you
are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals
to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised
to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if
you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer
hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset.
You
have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for
actual physical hunger not emotional hunger.


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.




I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I
plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating
tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate
asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that
sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing!
There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude
works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will
continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to
enjoy!


 




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