Low-carb, calorie counting, and exercise....

I'm having a good run on losing weight going low-carb, using
http://caloriecount.about.com , and jogging every other day. Since March
7 I'm down about seven pounds.

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

Marengo wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic
carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

I think that's wonderful Peter, I know I've said it before, but it
bears repeating. :-)

Cheri

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Marengo wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic
carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

I think that's wonderful Peter, I know I've said it before, but it
bears repeating. :-)


It's just a matter of time before he gets hungry because of the excess carbs
then goes of the diet altogether and has another stroke.

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Marengo wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic
carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

I think that's wonderful Peter, I know I've said it before, but it
bears repeating. :-)


It's just a matter of time before he gets hungry because of the excess
carbs then goes of the diet altogether and has another stroke.

"off the diet", of course.

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:03:48 -0400, Marengo wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

You're just eating fewer calories overall. The amount of fat from
saturated fat has nothing to do with it. Realize also that such items
like steaks contain a great deal of monounsaturated fat. So, to single
out saturated fat instead of all fat or more importantly calories is not
correct. Furthermore, Atkins by definition contains only low-glycemic
carbs. The South Beach diet in no way is better than Atkins in this
regards.

The conclusion: you're eating fewer calories.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:35:57 -0400, Bob wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:03:48 -0400, Marengo wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

You're just eating fewer calories overall. The amount of fat from
saturated fat has nothing to do with it. Realize also that such items
like steaks contain a great deal of monounsaturated fat. So, to single
out saturated fat instead of all fat or more importantly calories is not
correct. Furthermore, Atkins by definition contains only low-glycemic
carbs. The South Beach diet in no way is better than Atkins in this
regards.

The conclusion: you're eating fewer calories.


Oh yeah, to the extent that your reduction in calories from fat don't
equal the amount of calories you've cut, you're replacing these calories
from something, usually carbs. That might not be bad for some people, but
for those who are insulin resistant, it's not a good idea (low glycemic
carbs are still carbs and still raise blood sugar level).

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:39:31 -0400, Bob
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:35:57 -0400, Bob wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:03:48 -0400, Marengo wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:12 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Christian Williamson wrote in message ...

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Yes, I have to do that too. It does work well.

Cheri

Same here. I'm losing much more steadily (50 pounds in the last 5
months) since I switched from Atkins to a South Beach type diet where
I'm eating less (calorie-dense) saturated fat, more low-glycemic carbs
and consequently fewer overall calories.
---
Peter
270/220/180

You're just eating fewer calories overall.

That's what I said.

The amount of fat from
saturated fat has nothing to do with it.

Of course it does! I don't believe that saturated fat is inherently
"evil," however; it's a cold hard fact that saturated fats are the
most calorie-dense foods that we eat, and by reducing them I have cut
back on overall calories.

I've been a strong supporter of the Atkins plan for years, and still
recommend it to people I know. But after years I discovered that it
is simply not what is best for me. We all have different genetics and
metabolisms, and what may be right for you is not necessarily right
for everyone else. That's where he phrase "YMMV" comse in to play. It
took a mild heart attack and angioplasty with stent insertions last
October for me do make a change. While still sticking to a
controlled-carb eating plan, I've increased "good" (low-clycemic)
carbs and decreased the saturated fats while still maintaining a good
protein and fat-to-carb ratio. I posted the results of my bloodwork
here since I made the change, and there's no need to continue doing
it. But my triglycerides which were dangerously high (650+ at one
point, and 350 five months ago) were 117 last month. There is no
arguing with that number. I don't plan on having another heart attack
anytime soon.

Realize also that such items like steaks contain a great deal of monounsaturated fat. So, to single
out saturated fat instead of all fat or more importantly calories is not
correct.

Furthermore, Atkins by definition contains only low-glycemic
carbs. The South Beach diet in no way is better than Atkins in this
regards.

Yes in my case, a SOuth-Beach type diet is better. I was eating
absoultely no grains or fruit on Atkins, now I have added whole-grain
cereals and a few other previously forbidden complex-carbohydrate
fruits and vegetables to my diet, increasing my overall net carb
intake to around 100g per day

Why is it so important to you that everyone else follow exactly the
diet plan that you are? I have been involved in low carb eating for
nine years, have been a huge fan of the Atkins plan, and have been
posting on this NG for eight. There is very little that you can tell
me that I have not made my own decisions about. I'm perfectly
capable of -- and far more qualified than you -- to decide what works
best for *me* to eat.

Also, I never said that I am following the South Beach diet; in fact,
I am not. After my angiooplast (I had on coronary artery 99% blocked
and qanother 85% blocked) I carefully studied my cardiologists'
recommendations and combined it with my years of experience with low
carb an The results have been spectacular, with 50 pounds lost in 5
months, and came up with an eating plan that works for me. The
results have been spectacular. HDL to LDL cholesterol ratio tripled,
total blood cholesterol 117 and triglycerides 117. I feel and look
great, my doctors are using me as an example for their other patients.
And you seem put out because I'm not following *your* plan? Eat all
the prok rinds and all the fat on your steak you like, I'm very happy
for you (seriously) if it works for you. For me the answer was
finding the right balance between carbs, fat and calories, and there
is no denying that it's working. My primary goal right now is heart
health, and the weight loss is almost a secondary bonus!


The conclusion: you're eating fewer calories.

I could have sworn that's what I said.

Oh yeah, to the extent that your reduction in calories from fat don't
equal the amount of calories you've cut, you're replacing these calories
from something, usually carbs. That might not be bad for some people, but
for those who are insulin resistant, it's not a good idea (low glycemic
carbs are still carbs and still raise blood sugar level).

Acgtually, I'm a T2 diabetic and my blood sugar is completely
controlled by my controlled-carb diet alone with no meds for it. My
HbA1C last month was 5.1.

It all goes back to "YMMV. I found what works best for *me.*
---
Peter
270/220/180

Christian Williamson wrote:

This is the first time I've tried the calorie counting method in
conjunction with the Atkins Diet. It's working quite well.

Consider this often ignored aspect of Atkins:

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkin...-of-induction/

"5. Adjust the quantity you eat to suit your appetite, especially
as it
decreases. When you're hungry, eat the amount that makes you feel
satisfied, but not stuffed. When you're not hungry, eat a small
controlled
carbohydrate snack to accompany your nutritional supplements."

That bit "especially as it decreases" is about portion control.
Counting
portion sizes is an approximate calorie counting method. Given the
accuracy needed when dieting it doesn't even matter that tracking
portion
sizes is less accurate than counting calories.