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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
On Jun 5, 6:21 am, Billy wrote:
[snip] thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? Sharing the love. And what state of grace, allows you to cast invectives in such a gratuitous manner? Being honest. Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. Harder, perhaps. By what perventage/ratio? Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? Instead of loosing 5 kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4 kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh? Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the Twinkie display. If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories than the population needs, you have a good chance of being obese, Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons eye. time for us to accept that we are good as we are. Mediocrity is fine by you? [snip] What about average do you find disturbing? Those that settle for it. I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic Curmudgeon would be the person that they would choose to be cornered by at a party. True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact your joints. Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage. So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you. True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional Being in water allows the flexing of muscles without support. Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for? Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may be a good way to begin. If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise for you now, shall I? Before anyone listens to us, they should ask their doctor what they think. Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored. Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. Like breathing, these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions to be 'acheived'. Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life. Precisly. That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden donut or 24. Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't an everyday experience for most people, or even you. It is, actually. And a lot more besides. It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?). Only 5? I did well that day. |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
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, Misanthropic Curmudgeon wrote: What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? Sharing the love. Thanks for the daily laugh. ;-D -- Peace! Om Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain. -- Anon. Subscribe: |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
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, Misanthropic Curmudgeon wrote: On Jun 5, 6:21 am, Billy wrote: [snip] thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? Sharing the love. I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love, neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah. And what state of grace, allows you to cast invectives in such a gratuitous manner? Being honest. Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not characterizing others or their motives. Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. Harder, perhaps. By what perventage/ratio? Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? Instead of loosing 5 kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4 kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh? Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be absent from your bag of tricks. Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the Twinkie display. If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories than the population needs, you have a good chance of being obese, Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons eye. Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha. Right, and thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up, preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through, much less keep up with the development of a police state around them. See: Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3LSyck0YTE or if you're still literate try reading Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition, and Health, Revised and Expanded Edition (California Studies in Food and Culture) by Marion Nestle http://www.amazon.com/Food-Politics-...lifornia/dp/05 20254031/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244222934&sr=1-2 time for us to accept that we are good as we are. Mediocrity is fine by you? [snip] What about average do you find disturbing? Those that settle for it. Everybody should be above average, Gracie? Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another. We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that you don't see the problem. I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic Curmudgeon would be the person that they would choose to be cornered by at a party. True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones True, I can feel the nausea myself. I think I've already wasted too much time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness. It must be lonely for you with those brown colored glasses on. Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact your joints. Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage. So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you. True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional Being in water allows the flexing of muscles without support. Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for? Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may be a good way to begin. If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise for you now, shall I? Before anyone listens to us, they should ask their doctor what they think. Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored. Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. Like breathing, these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions to be 'acheived'. Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life. Precisly. That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden donut or 24. Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't an everyday experience for most people, or even you. It is, actually. And a lot more besides. It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?). Only 5? I did well that day. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2...ra_hass_on_the |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
On Jun 8, 1:37*pm, Billy wrote:
[snip] thin, is mostly a matter of genetics. Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull. What's misanthrope doing interacting socially? Sharing the love. I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love, neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah. Ask yo' momma. And what state of grace, allows you to cast invectives in such a gratuitous manner? Being honest. Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not characterizing others or their motives. What is more factual that observations of dull-eyed slump-gutted face- stuffers, well, stuffing their faces and wailing about how their genetics stop them from being supermodels? Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight. Harder, perhaps. *By what perventage/ratio? Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? *Instead of loosing 5 kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4 kilos. *But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh? Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be absent from your bag of tricks. I'll remember that when I re-read the bit you wrote about me not knowing love in your opening paragraph in this post. Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment.. Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the Twinkie display. *oink* *oink* If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories than the population needs, you have a good chance of being obese, Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons eye. Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha. I see you judge others by your own (lack of) values. Right, and thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up, preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through, much less keep up with the development of a police state around them. Too busy to watch what they stuff down their throats? Your stats and arguments only support one thing, and its not what you want it to be. Firstly, your mistalen belif that BMR calculations and knowledge of macro-nutrient profiles are somehow new breakthroughs. Secondly, that most people share your slack motivation levels. And thirdly you imply we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies. Mediocrity is fine by you? [snip] What about average do you find disturbing? Those that settle for it. Everybody should be above average, Gracie? Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another. We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that you don't see the problem. And you condone the lack of the above, as you imply we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies. I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic Curmudgeon would be the person that they would choose to be cornered by at a party. True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones True, I can feel the nausea myself. Indeed, many people dont like it when mirrors are help up in front of them. I think I've already wasted too much time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness. Fine: sod off out of MFW and back to the fat-acceptors with such a low value of humanity as you do; assumig they are all passive drones Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact your joints. Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage. So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you. True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional Being in water allows the flexing of muscles without support. Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for? Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may be a good way to begin. If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise for you now, shall I? Before anyone listens to us, they should ask their doctor what they think. Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no pun intended) most of what *GP says on this subject can be ignored. I note you ignore the above. Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking, biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat. Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. *Like breathing, these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions to be 'acheived'. Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life. Precisly. *That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden donut or 24. And that. |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
How about we get back to subject at hand?
Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. At the end of the day, people need to learn to take the blame and stop with the exscuses. No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and repeat it again the next day and day after and so on. Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day. Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go. People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever goals they set for themselves. |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
On Jun 9, 8:58 am, wrote:
[snip] Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. At the end of the day, people need to learn to take the blame and stop with the exscuses. What is interesting is the likes of Billy, who appear to argue that it is not peoples fault that they are obese, but rather in Billy's postinsg has randomly blamed genetics, corporate marketing propgrams, or the nned to pay the mortgage for obesity. Rather than "you eat too much and dont do any excercise" No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and repeat it again the next day and day after and so on. Indeed. But laziness in people, perhaps combined with a lack of self- awareness and an amazing abilty to deny their growing waist, does lead them to this path. They'll whine about "its normal to put on a few pounds for winter" or "its normal to gain a pound a year" and ignore the concequences of these delusions. Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day. Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go. In reading these commenst of yours, I am reminded of the distorted views that some people have of excercise. The human body was 'designed'[1] to move, and people suggesting that a few hours of walking a week demonstrated just how inactive their bodies (and minds?) have become. Stretching and walking are not some sort of goal to work towards, they are normality! People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever goals they set for themselves. Indeed, the fat-accepters seem to belive that because some things are hard, they should not even try. Because some people (say 0.2% of the population) have medical conditions (eg kidney issues), all the fatties wail that therefore they cant loose any weight (and console themselves by up-sizing their Triple-Cheese-Burger when next at the drive-through.) [1] I use that word advisidly. As an atheist, it is apparent there was no designer. |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
On Jun 9, 1:16 pm, Billy wrote:
[snip] Using pejoratives like "lazy" is just plain mean. It is also plain truth. We have to be our own advocates because no one else cares. So why do you condone apathy and helplessness, in your blaming all and sundry except the trough-diver themselves? |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
On Jun 9, 9:10 pm, " wrote:
[snip] As long as the scoop-shovel is full and the food is still going down, I guess you could say there is some exercise occurring. Lazy still fits though. Which reminds me of the research done that shows chewing burns an additional 11 (IIRC) calories an hour. |
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Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty
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In article , wrote: Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. Actually bacon is good for you. Certainly compared to most manufactured food stuffs. It has a very low glycemic index and has complete protein for body building and fat for energy, along with a whole raft of vital nutrients like CoQ10. |
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