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It's Official: High protein is Australia's gov't endorsed diet
The Australian gov't science research organisation has been studying all teh
various diets for years (8 years, they reckon), and food and metabolism and all that stuff. So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's high protein, low carb, and low fat. http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?id=Hum...&type=division they even have a 4 week "induction" (only they don't call it that), and then a maintenance, adn the induction has precious little starchy carbs on it. Stir frys without rice, other asian dishes eaten with lettuce etc rather than breads, rice, pastas etc. http://www.csiro.au/proprietaryDocuments/MLA_diet.pdf a precis is there. It's not as extreme as Atkins, but the priniples and effects are very similar. It's meant to be a long-term way of eating... they'll have to re-jig the food pyramid, and get rid of all those processed and white carbs! This is quite a surprise. ant |
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fantastic
"ant" wrote in message ... The Australian gov't science research organisation has been studying all teh various diets for years (8 years, they reckon), and food and metabolism and all that stuff. So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's high protein, low carb, and low fat. http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?id=Hum...&type=division they even have a 4 week "induction" (only they don't call it that), and then a maintenance, adn the induction has precious little starchy carbs on it. Stir frys without rice, other asian dishes eaten with lettuce etc rather than breads, rice, pastas etc. http://www.csiro.au/proprietaryDocuments/MLA_diet.pdf a precis is there. It's not as extreme as Atkins, but the priniples and effects are very similar. It's meant to be a long-term way of eating... they'll have to re-jig the food pyramid, and get rid of all those processed and white carbs! This is quite a surprise. ant |
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On Tue, 24 May 2005, Zephir Woodwood wrote:
fantastic Would it really be cynical of me to ask if the meat industry in Oz has a lobby that is as powerful as the grain industry in the US? 'Cause that, in large part, seems to be how we got stuck with the idea that grains and starches should be the base on which one's diet is built. Anyway, good on you. It'll be interesting to see how Australians do if people actually follow these recommendations. Martha "ant" wrote in message ... The Australian gov't science research organisation has been studying all teh various diets for years (8 years, they reckon), and food and metabolism and all that stuff. So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's high protein, low carb, and low fat. http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?id=Hum...&type=division they even have a 4 week "induction" (only they don't call it that), and then a maintenance, adn the induction has precious little starchy carbs on it. Stir frys without rice, other asian dishes eaten with lettuce etc rather than breads, rice, pastas etc. http://www.csiro.au/proprietaryDocuments/MLA_diet.pdf a precis is there. It's not as extreme as Atkins, but the priniples and effects are very similar. It's meant to be a long-term way of eating... they'll have to re-jig the food pyramid, and get rid of all those processed and white carbs! This is quite a surprise. ant -- Sig pending |
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So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's
high protein, low carb, and low fat. It's nothing of the kind. The diet provides approximately 5600kj per day for women, comprising 46% carbohydrate, 34% protein and 20% fat. In a day you could expect to eat 161g of carbohydrate, 109g of protein and 31g fat. I've been on it for a few weeks now, and on most days I eat a Weetbix with All-Bran and a banana for breakfast, an apple for a snack, a couple of pieces of whole-grain bread for lunch and another piece of bread with dinner. I can drink wine a few times per week, and enjoy low-fat yoghurt daily. I don't see how all that bread, fruit and cereal could be described as low carb, I can't see how it's 'high protein' when you consume more carbs than protein, and I don't think 20% is particularly low-fat. Describing it as 'high protein low carb' is just begging for the Atkins zealots to come out of the woodwork to claim that the CSIRO has shown their illustrious Fuehrer was right all along. You can read more about the diet (without the sensationalist ACA claptrap) he http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?type=d...an%20Nutrition. Download the diet and see recipes he http://www.themainmeal.com.au. The book will be out at the end of the month for $29.95, but you can download pretty much everything in it for free right now. Cheers Woody |
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"ant" wrote in message ... The Australian gov't science research organisation has been studying all teh various diets for years (8 years, they reckon), and food and metabolism and all that stuff. So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's high protein, low carb, and low fat. http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?id=Hum...&type=division they even have a 4 week "induction" (only they don't call it that), and then a maintenance, adn the induction has precious little starchy carbs on it. Stir frys without rice, other asian dishes eaten with lettuce etc rather than breads, rice, pastas etc. http://www.csiro.au/proprietaryDocuments/MLA_diet.pdf a precis is there. It's not as extreme as Atkins, but the priniples and effects are very similar. It's meant to be a long-term way of eating... they'll have to re-jig the food pyramid, and get rid of all those processed and white carbs! This is quite a surprise. ant I had a good look at it a while ago, and it looks very much like Atkins OWL and maintenance stages. Although they call it Low Fat, it is mainly just low in saturated fats, promoting lean meats and low fat dairy, but still encourages the use of 'good fats' such as olive oil and nut oils. Sounds vaguely familiar hey? |
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it looks very much like Atkins OWL
Que? Is this the same Atkins OWL that asks you to "keep protein and fat as the mainstays of your nutritional regimen", and under which "you will not be shifting significantly away from protein and fat to carbs"? The one under which your "Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing" might let you eat as much as little as 15g of carbs per day, or 90g if you have low meatbolic resistance and exercise regularly? The one under which bread, cereal, rice and potatoes still aren't on the list of allowable carbs? How is this anything like a diet that's 46% carbs and lets you eat bread, cereal and fruit daily and around a whopping 161g of carbs for women? Woody |
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wrote in message oups.com... So they've just released the gov't healthy diet, and it's high protein, low carb, and low fat. It's nothing of the kind. The diet provides approximately 5600kj per day for women, comprising 46% carbohydrate, 34% protein and 20% fat. In a day you could expect to eat 161g of carbohydrate, 109g of protein and 31g fat. I've been on it for a few weeks now, and on most days I eat a Weetbix with All-Bran and a banana for breakfast, an apple for a snack, a couple of pieces of whole-grain bread for lunch and another piece of bread with dinner. I can drink wine a few times per week, and enjoy low-fat yoghurt daily. I don't see how all that bread, fruit and cereal could be described as low carb, I can't see how it's 'high protein' when you consume more carbs than protein, and I don't think 20% is particularly low-fat. Describing it as 'high protein low carb' is just begging for the Atkins zealots to come out of the woodwork to claim that the CSIRO has shown their illustrious Fuehrer was right all along. You can read more about the diet (without the sensationalist ACA claptrap) he http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?type=d...an%20Nutrition. Download the diet and see recipes he http://www.themainmeal.com.au. The book will be out at the end of the month for $29.95, but you can download pretty much everything in it for free right now. Cheers Woody I can understand your perspective Woody, based on the general understanding that a low carb diet MUST have on 20g of carbohydrate per day and MUST include mountains of fat... Yes, the Atkins diet starts at 20g per day for 2 WEEKS, but after that the carbohydrate levels are gradually increased over time during the ongoing weightloss (OWL) phase and moving into the maintenance phase. The level of carb being eaten during OWL can vary from 25g through to around 60g (more for those doing weight training and high levels of exercise) and the maintenance phase can be 90g per day or more. Other Low Carb diets can include up to 120g of carbohydrates per day in the OWL phase. The fat inclusion on Atkins, if anyone would take the time to read the book, is recommended to consist of mainly unsaturated fats from vegetable origin. Low fat dairy foods are avoided in favour of whole dairy foods because many low fat products still contain large amounts of sugar and use various carbohydrate ingredients to maintain the consistency after the fat is removed. I have investigated the CSIRO Total Wellbeing Diet previously and it is very reminiscent of what would be eaten in the latter stages of low carb OWL and Maintenance. If you look at page 7 of the downloadable guide you referred us to, it indicates that a daily food intake should include: 200g of red meat for evening meal, 100g of white meat for lunch, and 40g of High Fibre unsweetened cereal for breakfast, as well as 2 slices WHOLEGRAIN bread (exchangeable for other wholegrain based options), 2 serves of fruit, 2 serves of Dairy, up to 2 1/2 cups of vegetables from list (which are the same low carb veg that I eat) and 3 teaspoons of added unsaturated fats. The wine allowance is 300ml PER WEEK. There is a note that states that you must eat the meat quota each day. In comparison to the generally accepted low fat diet such as Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers & so on, the protein quota of the CSIRO diet is significantly higher and there is only a marginal amount of carbohydrate which are generally low GI. So I'm sorry Woody, there is no valid black and white 'my way is best so you must be wrong' solution for you. Cheers, Kay |
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Kay wrote:
I have investigated the CSIRO Total Wellbeing Diet previously and it is very reminiscent of what would be eaten in the latter stages of low carb OWL and Maintenance. Again - how does an average intake of 50g carbs per day, with (maybe, possible, almost certainly never) 90g per day if you engage in 45 minutes of intensive exercise every single day compare with 160g+ of carbs per day and moderate exercise? Why do you think it's OK to compare the whole of the CSIRO diet which lets you take almost half your calories for carbs with a tiny part of the Atkins diet and draw a conclusion that they're similar? Why do you think it's valid to compare a weight loss mechanism with a weight maintenance mechanism? Why do you think it's OK to compare a diet that lets you eat multiple servings of bread, cereals and low-fat/moderate carb dairy foods every single day with one that drastically restricts carb intake and never lets you eat any of those foods? It's apples and oranges (sorry, cottage cheese and cauliflower for the Atkins folk). So I'm sorry Woody, there is no valid black and white 'my way is best so you must be wrong' solution for you. The only thing that's black and white are the CSIRO diet and Atkins, and you insisting that they're somehow very similar when they're actually nothing alike. A diet that lets you eat 160g+ of carbs in the form of bread, cereal, beans and fruit at every meal of every day in no way resembles any stage of the Atkins diet. |
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Well the actual diet report says:
"The CSIRO approached Meat and Livestock Australia to fund a study on women that would extend intial research which showed that weight-loss dietes higher in protein were at least as good, if not better, than high-carbohydrate diets, when it came to fat loss and muscle preservation." (note the punctuation error is there's not mine!). So maybe that tells you something.... |
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"Que? Is this the same Atkins OWL that asks you to "keep protein and
fat as the mainstays of your nutritional regimen", and under which "you will not be shifting significantly away from protein and fat to carbs"? The one under which your "Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing" might let you eat as much as little as 15g of carbs per day, or 90g if you have low meatbolic resistance and exercise regularly? The one under which bread, cereal, rice and potatoes still aren't on the list of allowable carbs? How is this anything like a diet that's 46% carbs and lets you eat bread, cereal and fruit daily and around a whopping 161g of carbs for women? Woody " Anybody that chooses to use the term "fuehrer" to refer to the late Dr. Atkins pretty much let's you know where they're coming from, Woody. And then to top it off, you throw a plug in for a commerical site selling books! To start with, these clowns at the CSIRO make it sound like they did some original ground breaking research. In fact, this info has been around for decades for anyone who chose to look at it. Unlike these jerks, Dr. Atkins never claimed to have come up with the idea that limiting carbs in favor of fat and protein was the key to weight loss. The reports and info were there for anyone that cared to look, which is how he said he first fournd it. When he realized how effective and healthy it was, he became it's chief proponent for 3 decades until the mainstream finally started to wise up a bit. Now, morons like these guys come along like they found something new and original. In fact, they were funded by the meat industry, so is it any surprise. Now, is this close to Atkins? No. But it certainly shares with Atkins that restricting the consumtion of carbs, particularly refined carbs, in favor of protein and fat, is key to weight loss and keeping it off. A carb intake of 161g is certainly modest compared to what a typical person consumes isn't it? And it's certainly modest compared to what one would consume on the conventionally accepted low fat diet. Thiis new "research", is nothing more than taking a new twist on LC, much like Dr. Agatston did with the South Beach Diet. But let's give credit where it's due and not use derogatory names to refer to Dr. Atkins. His diet has worked for me and millions of others. This diet that you have been on for a couple weeks may work too, but there isn't much to really back it up, is there? Other than a research report paid for by the beef industry. And I tend to doubt it, because people who are sensitive to carbs will have a tough time staying on it without having cravings and feeling hungry. And there are other troubling aspects of it too. Like where they don't really have much to say about making sure you use healthy oils as much as possible and avoid trans-fats. Everyone, including Atkins and the mainstream medical community recognize that, yet it's not a key point to this diet. But when it's coming from the meat industry, I guess that's what's to be expected. |
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