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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes



 
 
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Old April 21st, 2008, 09:01 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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There was an interesting story on 60 Minutes last night about gastric
bypass surgery. Doctors noticed that patients that underwent the
procedure that had type 2 diabetes no longer had any symptoms of
diabetes following surgery. Most remarkable was that the effect
occured withing a few days, so it was not linked to weight loss. They
had 8 people on the show, all of whom were type 2 and all said they
were now normal, no longer taking medication, etc.

Researchers looked into how this occurs and have concluded that the
effect seems to be caused by bypassing the duodenum, ie a short part
of the small intestine where it connects to the stomach, where some
hormone is produced by food passing through.

Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on
people not overweight, but with type 2. It's certainly very
interesting. Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure".
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Old April 21st, 2008, 09:37 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on
people not overweight, but with type 2. It's certainly very
interesting. Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure".


Thank you for posting this. Those doctors will be very busy if the
estimates of up to 25 percent and more of the population being diabetics
in the future comes true. It is just so typical. Of course, the efforts
go into securing more money for the medical industry rather than getting
people to do lifestyle changes so that they won't get diabetes in the
first place. It is just the way that it seems from this piece of news.

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 02:21 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 21, 4:37*pm, Hakan wrote:
Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on
people not overweight, but with type 2. * It's certainly very
interesting. * Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure".


*Thank you for posting this. Those doctors will be very busy if the
estimates of up to 25 percent and more of the population being diabetics
in the future comes true. It is just so typical. Of course, the efforts
go into securing more money for the medical industry rather than getting
people to do lifestyle changes so that they won't get diabetes in the
first place. It is just the way that it seems from this piece of news.



It's not that efforts haven't been made to get people to make
lifestyle changes so they won't get diabetes in the first place.
It's just that those efforts haven't worked. Plus, it's believed
genetics plays a key role as well.

I also don't think it's fair to look at this as a way to get more
money for the medical industry. If anything, if it pans out, it will
have exactly the opposite effect. A $25K operation could cure a
lifelong disease that brings with it complications that cost many
times that.

It also could lead to non-surgery solutions as more is underestood
about exactly how bypassing the duodenum results in this effect. And
another curious thing. Most of the gastric bypass patients report
that their cravings for food suddenly disappear. It would be easy to
dismiss this as the result of their stomachs being much smaller. But
does that explain the typical case, where a lady who previously had
cravings for sweets and couldn't pass a candy machine now has no
interest in candy at all? Or is something more going on here, also
possibly related to things about the duodenum that we don't understand?
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 03:13 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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It's not that efforts haven't been made to get people to make
lifestyle changes so they won't get diabetes in the first place.
It's just that those efforts haven't worked. Plus, it's believed
genetics plays a key role as well.


Perhaps they didn't try enough measures. On the other hand, all those
medical approaches has not helped much either, have they? America spends
far more on health care than other countries but still find themselves
with higher rates of for example diabetes than most other Western
countries.

While people certainly have different risk profiles, my point is that
we have a tendency to blame genetics and look for medical solutions as a
part of our technocratic business-oriented way of thinking. Diabetes is
not an unavoidable plague caused by our faulty gene disposition. In many
cases, it is brought on by lack of exercise and the wrong diet choices.

Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and
are somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations
living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less
diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar.
I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses
the target.

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 03:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Hakan" wrote in message
Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are
somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations
living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less
diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar.
I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses the
target.


Yea, good luck with that.


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Old April 23rd, 2008, 06:57 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Roger Zoul wrote:


"Hakan" wrote in message
Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are
somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations
living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less
diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar.
I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses the
target.


Yea, good luck with that.


Isn't it what this group really is about? I mean, get off your ass and
eat less sugar summarises Dr. Atkins' weight-loss theories pretty darn
well. Quite a few in here did well on that. You just want to be a
pessimist, there are plenty of groups and forums for discussions about
surgery. Low carbers should be believers.



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Old April 23rd, 2008, 09:35 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Hakan" wrote in message
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Roger Zoul wrote:


"Hakan" wrote in message
Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are
somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations
living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less
diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar.
I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses
the target.


Yea, good luck with that.


Isn't it what this group really is about? I mean, get off your ass and eat
less sugar summarises Dr. Atkins' weight-loss theories pretty darn well.
Quite a few in here did well on that. You just want to be a pessimist,
there are plenty of groups and forums for discussions about surgery. Low
carbers should be believers.


Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses
and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar. You don't seriously
think this idea started with you? Has there been any progress in this area
over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all T2's
are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease really
should have nothing to do this that.


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Old April 24th, 2008, 12:47 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Roger Zoul wrote:


Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses
and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar.


Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low
carb and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me
off sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree
alternatives are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like
Dr. Atkins, Dr. Eades et.c. got quite a few thousands moving their ass
and off sugar. You are wrong.


You don't seriously
think this idea started with you?


No, probably with Mr. William Banting and his letter on corpulence. I'd
say that pioneers like Stefansson, Price and Lutz kept it going in the
early 20th century. People like Atkins, Eades and Sears made it popular
to the mainstream media. All of them advocated exercise and restricting
sugar consumption. I am most likely omitting someone important.

Has there been any progress in this area
over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all T2's
are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease really
should have nothing to do this that.


I conclude that you have no genuine reason to post in this group. The
name of the group implies support for a low carbohydrate diet plan
combined with exercising as a way to combat many illnesses including
obesity and diabetes. I am sure that alt.support.diabetes will be
interested in reading your remarks about surgery. If you don't think
that you can help anyone with their low carbing or convince anyone about
the advantages of the Atkins lifestyle, why bother to come here? It
seems like a waste of time.



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Old April 24th, 2008, 01:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Hakan" wrote in message
...
Roger Zoul wrote:


Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their
asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar.


Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb
and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off
sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives
are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr.
Eades et.c. got quite a few thousands moving their ass and off sugar. You
are wrong.


No, these Drs. provide information. Those thousands who adopted a new
lifestyle did so based on their own desire to improve themselves. It
doesn't matter what you preach, history has shown that the desire for change
comes from within, not without. And in case you haven't noticed, the
numbers who have made positive change with any program is just a drop in the
bucket compared to what needs to happen.



You don't seriously
think this idea started with you?


No, probably with Mr. William Banting and his letter on corpulence. I'd
say that pioneers like Stefansson, Price and Lutz kept it going in the
early 20th century. People like Atkins, Eades and Sears made it popular to
the mainstream media. All of them advocated exercise and restricting sugar
consumption. I am most likely omitting someone important.


Oh please...I wasn't referring to low carb. I was referring to the notion of
*getting* people off their asses and *making* them eat less. "Exercise more
and eat less" has been the mantra for decades for those who are overweight.
Yet, it has barely made a dent in the problem. It's not that it won't work,
it's that no matter how much you preach it, people won't do it as result of
your (or my) preaching. Change comes from within, not without.



Has there been any progress in this area
over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all
T2's are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease
really should have nothing to do this that.


I conclude that you have no genuine reason to post in this group.


You obviously haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.

The
name of the group implies support for a low carbohydrate diet plan
combined with exercising as a way to combat many illnesses including
obesity and diabetes. I am sure that alt.support.diabetes will be
interested in reading your remarks about surgery. If you don't think that
you can help anyone with their low carbing or convince anyone about the
advantages of the Atkins lifestyle, why bother to come here? It seems like
a waste of time.


What remarks about surgery? Are you stupid? I commented about how getting to
a cure for diabetes is important and I gave reasons as to why it is
worthwhile to do so, regardless of issues related to a person's weight.

As for why I come here - I'm a low carber and have been for a long time.
Yet, I recognise that no matter what I say it won't be the reason that
someone else adopts low carb as a lifestyle. Also, it's not the only method
that works, either. And BTW, I've been a T2 for over 25 years and control
my type 2 diabetes with LC and exercise. I still maintain normal blood
glucose and have A1Cs at 5. No complications from diabetes yet. I own 4
road bikes (and 2 stationary bikes) and drive all over the place on weekends
looking for metric and english centuries to ride. I know full well the power
of LC and exercise. Yet, it's not the way for everyone. You just have to
accept that.

And having a cure for diabetes is a good thing. Even bypass surgery is a
good thing if it allows people to live and have a better life. For many it's
the only option they can manage. For others, like me and several here, we
were able to make LC work. Others made just plain eating less and exercise
work. Some make low fat work, other weight watchers. Hence, one size doesn't
fit all. Yet, the numbers of still small among those who can make lasting
changes.



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Old April 24th, 2008, 02:07 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 24, 8:24*am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
"Hakan" wrote in message

...

Roger Zoul wrote:


Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their
asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar.


Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb
and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off
sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives
are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr.

 




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