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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
There was an interesting story on 60 Minutes last night about gastric
bypass surgery. Doctors noticed that patients that underwent the procedure that had type 2 diabetes no longer had any symptoms of diabetes following surgery. Most remarkable was that the effect occured withing a few days, so it was not linked to weight loss. They had 8 people on the show, all of whom were type 2 and all said they were now normal, no longer taking medication, etc. Researchers looked into how this occurs and have concluded that the effect seems to be caused by bypassing the duodenum, ie a short part of the small intestine where it connects to the stomach, where some hormone is produced by food passing through. Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on people not overweight, but with type 2. It's certainly very interesting. Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure". |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on people not overweight, but with type 2. It's certainly very interesting. Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure". Thank you for posting this. Those doctors will be very busy if the estimates of up to 25 percent and more of the population being diabetics in the future comes true. It is just so typical. Of course, the efforts go into securing more money for the medical industry rather than getting people to do lifestyle changes so that they won't get diabetes in the first place. It is just the way that it seems from this piece of news. -- Newsoffice.de - Die Onlinesoftware zum Lesen und Schreiben im Usenet Die Signatur läßt sich nach Belieben anpassen ;-) |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2Diabetes
On Apr 21, 4:37*pm, Hakan wrote:
Some limited studies are underway abroad now to try the procedure on people not overweight, but with type 2. * It's certainly very interesting. * Doctors on the show were even using the term "cure". *Thank you for posting this. Those doctors will be very busy if the estimates of up to 25 percent and more of the population being diabetics in the future comes true. It is just so typical. Of course, the efforts go into securing more money for the medical industry rather than getting people to do lifestyle changes so that they won't get diabetes in the first place. It is just the way that it seems from this piece of news. It's not that efforts haven't been made to get people to make lifestyle changes so they won't get diabetes in the first place. It's just that those efforts haven't worked. Plus, it's believed genetics plays a key role as well. I also don't think it's fair to look at this as a way to get more money for the medical industry. If anything, if it pans out, it will have exactly the opposite effect. A $25K operation could cure a lifelong disease that brings with it complications that cost many times that. It also could lead to non-surgery solutions as more is underestood about exactly how bypassing the duodenum results in this effect. And another curious thing. Most of the gastric bypass patients report that their cravings for food suddenly disappear. It would be easy to dismiss this as the result of their stomachs being much smaller. But does that explain the typical case, where a lady who previously had cravings for sweets and couldn't pass a candy machine now has no interest in candy at all? Or is something more going on here, also possibly related to things about the duodenum that we don't understand? |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
"Hakan" wrote in message Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar. I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses the target. Yea, good luck with that. |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
Roger Zoul wrote:
"Hakan" wrote in message Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar. I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses the target. Yea, good luck with that. Isn't it what this group really is about? I mean, get off your ass and eat less sugar summarises Dr. Atkins' weight-loss theories pretty darn well. Quite a few in here did well on that. You just want to be a pessimist, there are plenty of groups and forums for discussions about surgery. Low carbers should be believers. -- Newsoffice.de - Die Onlinesoftware zum Lesen und Schreiben im Usenet Die Signatur läßt sich nach Belieben anpassen ;-) |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
"Hakan" wrote in message ... Roger Zoul wrote: "Hakan" wrote in message Modern day diseases like cancer, heart disease and diabetes were and are somewhere between unknown to extremely rare among native populations living a traditional hunter - gatherer lifestyle. If you want less diabetes, then get people off their asses and make them eat less sugar. I'm not principally against this surgery stuff, but it sort of misses the target. Yea, good luck with that. Isn't it what this group really is about? I mean, get off your ass and eat less sugar summarises Dr. Atkins' weight-loss theories pretty darn well. Quite a few in here did well on that. You just want to be a pessimist, there are plenty of groups and forums for discussions about surgery. Low carbers should be believers. Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar. You don't seriously think this idea started with you? Has there been any progress in this area over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all T2's are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease really should have nothing to do this that. |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
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Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar. Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr. Eades et.c. got quite a few thousands moving their ass and off sugar. You are wrong. You don't seriously think this idea started with you? No, probably with Mr. William Banting and his letter on corpulence. I'd say that pioneers like Stefansson, Price and Lutz kept it going in the early 20th century. People like Atkins, Eades and Sears made it popular to the mainstream media. All of them advocated exercise and restricting sugar consumption. I am most likely omitting someone important. Has there been any progress in this area over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all T2's are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease really should have nothing to do this that. I conclude that you have no genuine reason to post in this group. The name of the group implies support for a low carbohydrate diet plan combined with exercising as a way to combat many illnesses including obesity and diabetes. I am sure that alt.support.diabetes will be interested in reading your remarks about surgery. If you don't think that you can help anyone with their low carbing or convince anyone about the advantages of the Atkins lifestyle, why bother to come here? It seems like a waste of time. -- Newsoffice.de - Die Onlinesoftware zum Lesen und Schreiben im Usenet Die Signatur läßt sich nach Belieben anpassen ;-) |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2 Diabetes
"Hakan" wrote in message ... Roger Zoul wrote: Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar. Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr. Eades et.c. got quite a few thousands moving their ass and off sugar. You are wrong. No, these Drs. provide information. Those thousands who adopted a new lifestyle did so based on their own desire to improve themselves. It doesn't matter what you preach, history has shown that the desire for change comes from within, not without. And in case you haven't noticed, the numbers who have made positive change with any program is just a drop in the bucket compared to what needs to happen. You don't seriously think this idea started with you? No, probably with Mr. William Banting and his letter on corpulence. I'd say that pioneers like Stefansson, Price and Lutz kept it going in the early 20th century. People like Atkins, Eades and Sears made it popular to the mainstream media. All of them advocated exercise and restricting sugar consumption. I am most likely omitting someone important. Oh please...I wasn't referring to low carb. I was referring to the notion of *getting* people off their asses and *making* them eat less. "Exercise more and eat less" has been the mantra for decades for those who are overweight. Yet, it has barely made a dent in the problem. It's not that it won't work, it's that no matter how much you preach it, people won't do it as result of your (or my) preaching. Change comes from within, not without. Has there been any progress in this area over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all T2's are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease really should have nothing to do this that. I conclude that you have no genuine reason to post in this group. You obviously haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. The name of the group implies support for a low carbohydrate diet plan combined with exercising as a way to combat many illnesses including obesity and diabetes. I am sure that alt.support.diabetes will be interested in reading your remarks about surgery. If you don't think that you can help anyone with their low carbing or convince anyone about the advantages of the Atkins lifestyle, why bother to come here? It seems like a waste of time. What remarks about surgery? Are you stupid? I commented about how getting to a cure for diabetes is important and I gave reasons as to why it is worthwhile to do so, regardless of issues related to a person's weight. As for why I come here - I'm a low carber and have been for a long time. Yet, I recognise that no matter what I say it won't be the reason that someone else adopts low carb as a lifestyle. Also, it's not the only method that works, either. And BTW, I've been a T2 for over 25 years and control my type 2 diabetes with LC and exercise. I still maintain normal blood glucose and have A1Cs at 5. No complications from diabetes yet. I own 4 road bikes (and 2 stationary bikes) and drive all over the place on weekends looking for metric and english centuries to ride. I know full well the power of LC and exercise. Yet, it's not the way for everyone. You just have to accept that. And having a cure for diabetes is a good thing. Even bypass surgery is a good thing if it allows people to live and have a better life. For many it's the only option they can manage. For others, like me and several here, we were able to make LC work. Others made just plain eating less and exercise work. Some make low fat work, other weight watchers. Hence, one size doesn't fit all. Yet, the numbers of still small among those who can make lasting changes. |
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60 Minutes Story on Gastric Bypass and elimination on Type 2Diabetes
On Apr 24, 8:24*am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
"Hakan" wrote in message ... Roger Zoul wrote: Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar. Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr. |
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