Where are all the thin poeple from Atkins first book?

Rob wrote:
|| DigitalVinyl wrote:
||
|| I don't know anyone alive who was significantly overweight/obese
|| and lost it for thirty years through diet or exercise. My own
|| mother is much lighter than she was most of my life but that was
|| due to illness. And its only been 10 years and she has put some
|| weight back on.
||
|| Does anyone know of anyone who became thin for THIRTY years on any
|| plan of any type? Richard Simmons looked somewhat pudgy the last
|| time I saw a picture of him.
||
||
|| Ah, finally I’m seeing the problem here. It’s the word “diet”. It’s
|| still being looked at like a fix not a lifestyle. Don’t look for
|| overweight/obese people that are now thin. They are the quick
|| fixers. Look for people who are trim and fit and have always been
|| that way. People who are surviving the Low Fat and Low Carbohydrate
|| fads without gaining weight. These are the people that know how to
|| diet long term. Their diet is working. Not a diet that brought them
|| from 200 to 150. A diet that’s kept them at 150 for all their life.
|| You’re looking for a trim 30-50 year old that’s always been that
|| size. That’s where the good diet information and success story is.
|| Ask them if they’re Low Fat or Low Carb.
||
|| Most won’t ask though. Because the fit ones are those that have some
|| medical condition that makes them thin. They don’t like to eat as
|| much as the rest of us. They don’t get cravings. They don’t have
|| to watch what they eat. They’re not big boned. They don't have a
|| sweet tooth.
||
|| What if they were biologically the same as the rest of us?
||
|| I’m not in this category although I wish I were. I messed up.
|| Unlike those that I admire, my almost 40 year life has a 3 year fat
|| spot in the middle. That’s diet failure. In my defense, I wasn’t
|| even paying attention to what I was eating and am not surprised I
|| put on weight. Guess marriage and a child can distract me a bit. I
|| did figure it out, changed to what is my family’s current diet, came
|| right back down and even overshot my original weight very quickly.
|| I think I also mentioned before it was without exercise. That was
|| another mistake and I mention it so it’s known that exercise isn’t
|| required to stay thin. It is heart healthy and great for filling in
|| those empty pockets where fat used to be so the skin doesn’t hang
|| from the bone.
||
|| I hope this cleared up what I was getting at. Don’t ask Richard
|| Simmons. He was a quick fixer that obviously had a diet to
|| difficult to follow.

You're just stupid. Life issues could come along and derail you just as
they did before. Hence, you will be back in the quick fix category, idiot.

It is quite amazing that you can't see how stupid you sound. But yet, at
least you got your bodyfat down. That seems to be about all you have going
for yourself, so you'd better play it up.

Rob wrote:

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long
run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The
followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss
by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long
term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the
cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the
weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America continues
to grow fatter.




Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either. I
eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.


And???

Were your postings just to stir things up, or to convey a thought?

Jim

Rob wrote:

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long
run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The
followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss
by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long
term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the
cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the
weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America continues
to grow fatter.




Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either. I
eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.


And???

Were your postings just to stir things up, or to convey a thought?

Jim

Luna wrote:

Uh, their way of eating most probably will not have the same results
for an
overweight person.

You don’t think eating identically to them, item for item, portion for
portion will change your size to much closer to theirs?


I know thin, active people who have never been fat who
say "I just eat when I'm hungry, and I eat whatever I want!"

They’ve learned to cope with the hunger as you can too. They eat
whatever they want in front of others. When they’re alone, it’s right
back to skipping this or that to stay under their RMR calorie number.
Even if they binge for a day, the rest of the week is adjusting meals to
compensate for the treats they had days before. I do it all the time.
I'm sorry they wouldn't share a better answer with you, but they do have it.

Which works
for them, but not for me, because (when I am not low-carbing) I have
cravings that they don't, and I am hungry all the time. I don't know if
these cravings and hunger are something I was born with, or something
that
developed as a symptom from getting fat, but they don't go away unless I
low carb. My skinny cousin can eat a half cup serving of pasta and feel
full. I eat the same thing and my stomach will be growling the rest
of the
day. Or are you trying to imply that never-been-fat people are
constantly,
gnawingly, ravenously hungry and they just live with it because they're
"better" than we are?

It’s a choice. I choose to be 155. I could choose to be 210 too. I
know how to eat to accomplish both. Coming down from 185 my stomach
growled continuously. It hurts to be that hungry, I remember.

I’m trying to credit my success with swallowing my pride to tell myself,
“I am just like that person, all I have to do is find out what he/she is
eating.” Excuses wouldn’t have worked for me either. Research common
excuses on the web (Big boned people weigh approximately 5 pounds more
than small framed. A minute percentage of the population has
medical/biological reasons for being skinny). The sooner an
understanding of the similarities to others is found, like the
similarities found in this support group, the sooner the correct path
will be found.

Luna wrote:

Uh, their way of eating most probably will not have the same results
for an
overweight person.

You don’t think eating identically to them, item for item, portion for
portion will change your size to much closer to theirs?


I know thin, active people who have never been fat who
say "I just eat when I'm hungry, and I eat whatever I want!"

They’ve learned to cope with the hunger as you can too. They eat
whatever they want in front of others. When they’re alone, it’s right
back to skipping this or that to stay under their RMR calorie number.
Even if they binge for a day, the rest of the week is adjusting meals to
compensate for the treats they had days before. I do it all the time.
I'm sorry they wouldn't share a better answer with you, but they do have it.

Which works
for them, but not for me, because (when I am not low-carbing) I have
cravings that they don't, and I am hungry all the time. I don't know if
these cravings and hunger are something I was born with, or something
that
developed as a symptom from getting fat, but they don't go away unless I
low carb. My skinny cousin can eat a half cup serving of pasta and feel
full. I eat the same thing and my stomach will be growling the rest
of the
day. Or are you trying to imply that never-been-fat people are
constantly,
gnawingly, ravenously hungry and they just live with it because they're
"better" than we are?

It’s a choice. I choose to be 155. I could choose to be 210 too. I
know how to eat to accomplish both. Coming down from 185 my stomach
growled continuously. It hurts to be that hungry, I remember.

I’m trying to credit my success with swallowing my pride to tell myself,
“I am just like that person, all I have to do is find out what he/she is
eating.” Excuses wouldn’t have worked for me either. Research common
excuses on the web (Big boned people weigh approximately 5 pounds more
than small framed. A minute percentage of the population has
medical/biological reasons for being skinny). The sooner an
understanding of the similarities to others is found, like the
similarities found in this support group, the sooner the correct path
will be found.

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the
long run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary.
The followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight
loss by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their
long term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as
the cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear,
the weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America
continues to grow fatter.





Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either.
I eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.



And???

Were your postings just to stir things up, or to convey a thought?

Jim


Basically to compare how I eat, to how "Book following" Low Carb
followers eat. On every street corner I can find someone who's munchin'
on a low carb something-or-other. I was looking for followers who read
the books, eat from the menus and have success stories of a decade or so.

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the
long run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary.
The followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight
loss by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their
long term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as
the cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear,
the weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America
continues to grow fatter.





Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either.
I eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.



And???

Were your postings just to stir things up, or to convey a thought?

Jim


Basically to compare how I eat, to how "Book following" Low Carb
followers eat. On every street corner I can find someone who's munchin'
on a low carb something-or-other. I was looking for followers who read
the books, eat from the menus and have success stories of a decade or so.

Rob wrote:
|| jbuch wrote:
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||| Rob wrote:
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|||||| Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for
|||||| decades. Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's
|||||| based on the same concepts as his current book. If these plans
|||||| worked in the long run, the release of new diet books wouldn't
|||||| even be necessary. The followers would have actually been
|||||| capable of maintaining weight loss by eliminating high
|||||| carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long term weight
|||||| loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the cure to
|||||| obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the
|||||| weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America
|||||| continues to grow fatter.
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||||| Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
||||| postulated for the last 40 years?
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||||| Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.
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||||| Jim
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|||| My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards
|||| either. I eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat.
|||| It’s the saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.
|||
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||| And???
|||
||| Were your postings just to stir things up, or to convey a thought?
|||
||| Jim
|||
|||
|| Basically to compare how I eat, to how "Book following" Low Carb
|| followers eat. On every street corner I can find someone who's
|| munchin' on a low carb something-or-other. I was looking for
|| followers who read the books, eat from the menus and have success
|| stories of a decade or so.

You can talk once you've followed your plan and have acheived success for a
decade or so. If you think your plan is some guarantee of long-term
success, you're more of an idiot than I imagined.

Rob wrote in message ...
Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades. Dr.
Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the same
concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long run,
the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The followers
would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss by
eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long term
weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the cure to
obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the weight loss
industry continues to get richer, and America continues to grow fatter.

Obesity will only be cured when ALL fat people go on the low-carb
diet. While a smaller number of people go low-carb and succeed, most
people have bought into the low-fat diet and continue to fail and get
fatter.

The real question is: if low-fat is the way to go, why haven't
everyone who went low-fat not lost the weight? It has a 95%-plus
failure rate. Studies have shown that we eat 10% less fat and 12% more
carbs, that should result in most people losing weight but it hasn't.
Obesity has tripled since the 70's.

Your implying that low-carb has failed because after 30 years atkins'
book is still selling is ridiculous.

TC

Rob wrote in message ...
Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades. Dr.
Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the same
concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long run,
the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The followers
would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss by
eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long term
weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the cure to
obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the weight loss
industry continues to get richer, and America continues to grow fatter.

Obesity will only be cured when ALL fat people go on the low-carb
diet. While a smaller number of people go low-carb and succeed, most
people have bought into the low-fat diet and continue to fail and get
fatter.

The real question is: if low-fat is the way to go, why haven't
everyone who went low-fat not lost the weight? It has a 95%-plus
failure rate. Studies have shown that we eat 10% less fat and 12% more
carbs, that should result in most people losing weight but it hasn't.
Obesity has tripled since the 70's.

Your implying that low-carb has failed because after 30 years atkins'
book is still selling is ridiculous.

TC