Does weight lifting or cardio exercises speed weight loss?

Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

You have two groups. One trains cardio then weights, the other trains
weights then cardio. What kind of differences you expect that those
groups will show after a while?

I expect that weights first group will gain strength faster, cardio
group will improve their VO2max faster. I'm talking real life here,
where people try to force themselves to work hard. But what's your
guess?

My guess is that you don't have a very good understanding of "real life"
endurance athletes. Endurance athletes do not "force themselves to work hard"
during recovery workouts.

My proposal would be to do as the "sample program" I posted earlier suggests.

So you avoid answering this question?

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

But they still are not sure about it. Otherwise they wouldn't write
about possible explanations in the Discussion. They write that data
suggest, and all that "I'm not sure if my data are good." stuff.

No, they are sure *that RE improved*.

Right. My bad. And data don't even look bad... Strange thing, but I
start believing it.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

You have two groups. One trains cardio then weights, the other trains
weights then cardio. What kind of differences you expect that those
groups will show after a while?

I expect that weights first group will gain strength faster, cardio
group will improve their VO2max faster. I'm talking real life here,
where people try to force themselves to work hard. But what's your
guess?

My guess is that you don't have a very good understanding of "real life"
endurance athletes. Endurance athletes do not "force themselves to work hard"
during recovery workouts.

My proposal would be to do as the "sample program" I posted earlier suggests.

So you avoid answering this question?

I disagree with the premise of your question. What you're calling "real life"
is not reality-based. I can't provide a good answer to a question that is posed
on false premises.

I have already volunteered opinions about the circumstances under which one
should or shouldn't weight train prior to endurance training.

Cheers,
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Elflord

On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

But they still are not sure about it. Otherwise they wouldn't write
about possible explanations in the Discussion. They write that data
suggest, and all that "I'm not sure if my data are good." stuff.

No, they are sure *that RE improved*.

Right. My bad. And data don't even look bad... Strange thing, but I
start believing it.

I'm glad that it's growing on you. I happen to like that study, because they
not only take "lab-based" measurements, which may or may not be interpretable
in "the real world", they do some due diligence to actually test that the lab
results come with some real performance improvement. The study would be just
fine without the 5k time trials, but these are a nice icing on the cake.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

You have two groups. One trains cardio then weights, the other trains
weights then cardio. What kind of differences you expect that those
groups will show after a while?

I expect that weights first group will gain strength faster, cardio
group will improve their VO2max faster. I'm talking real life here,
where people try to force themselves to work hard. But what's your
guess?

My guess is that you don't have a very good understanding of "real life"
endurance athletes. Endurance athletes do not "force themselves to work hard"
during recovery workouts.

My proposal would be to do as the "sample program" I posted earlier suggests.

So you avoid answering this question?

I disagree with the premise of your question. What you're calling "real life"
is not reality-based. I can't provide a good answer to a question that is posed
on false premises.

In my "real life" second half of the planned workout is rather often
neglected. It seems to happen this way to a whole lot of people, too.
(On a bad day I may only start working out, just to see if I'm really that
miserable. ;-))

You may be different, but the only way for me to train (for example)
overhead squats regularly is to start my workout with them. It worked
the same way when I did a bit of jumping rope. Whatever I plan to do at
the end of a session gets done once in a blue moon, and taking in
account that lifters rather unanimously hate cardio...

I have already volunteered opinions about the circumstances under which one
should or shouldn't weight train prior to endurance training.

That would probably work, because weights were done only twice a week
(IIRC) and running was done almost every day, but the OP asked a simpler
question. "Three times a week cardio+weights, which should I do first?",
or something very similar. Premises or not, I still maintain that whatever
he wants more should be trained first.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
Dnia 2008-03-06 Elflord napisa³(a):
On 2008-03-06, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

But they still are not sure about it. Otherwise they wouldn't write
about possible explanations in the Discussion. They write that data
suggest, and all that "I'm not sure if my data are good." stuff.

No, they are sure *that RE improved*.

Right. My bad. And data don't even look bad... Strange thing, but I
start believing it.

I'm glad that it's growing on you. I happen to like that study,

The study seems to be all right. I didn't look closely enough the first
time and skipped crucial data, so I wrote mostly ******** about it.

That will learn me! ;-)

because they
not only take "lab-based" measurements, which may or may not be interpretable
in "the real world", they do some due diligence to actually test that the lab
results come with some real performance improvement. The study would be just
fine without the 5k time trials, but these are a nice icing on the cake.

You are right.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R