Darn!! Up TWO pounds???

It is funny how each child is totally different. We did want my son to start out
at the junior college, but his big sis talked him out of it - told him he would
hate it (since she did). He is much like his father, very quiet and shy, a
homebody. Likes going out and having fun, but also likes returning home. One of
his buddiesmentioned the possibility of them sharing an apartment, doesn't
understand the concept of my son not being unhappy at home.

I also remember very clearly my older brother going through the same thing, seemed
like it took him a long time to get his head into those post-high school years.
He survived and has done extremely well for himself. He also reminded me of this
last week-end, told me he was very glad to see I was handling things so much
differently than what we grew up with. Sometimes those life lessons are hard to
learn, such as what your one daughter has gone through ... but also very neccesary
in helping to get our heads back to where they should be. You're daughter sure
didn't choose the easy route by any means, but it also sounds like she is doing
incredibly well now in making a plan for her and her child's future. GOOD FOR
HER!

I guess all we can do as parents is to hope that lessons do get learned, offer
support where/when we can, and hope for the best outcome somewhere down the line.
I do think that in most cases, all does turn out well in the end. It just might
be a long haul to that end result. sigh And maybe the end result is much more
appreciated when you have to go through the tough stuff to get there? I don't
know, but I see it happen over and over with many kids.

And just think, another year and I get to go through this all over again with the
*baby*. UGH!

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:56:12 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local
junior college her first year. She doesn't adapt easily to change and
decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high school
years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina,
and then, for her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville,
where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a few years out of
college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some
problems, met someone, got pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off
from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid difficulties,
met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is
now divorced. She's digging her way up through the muck and still
trying to establish her self-identity as an independent adult. If all
goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think
your son showed great maturity by looking at his options and deciding
to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK.
Mudslides could probably cure a lot of ills.

Prairie Roots
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:42:54 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@4 ax.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

PR

The nicest thing about this post is that writing about both daughters, I
detect no judgment about either, that is truly a wonderful gift you have to
give them, love of a concerned parent with no judgment, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local
junior college her first year. She doesn't adapt easily to change and
decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high school
years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina,
and then, for her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville,
where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a few years out of
college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some
problems, met someone, got pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off
from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid difficulties,
met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is
now divorced. She's digging her way up through the muck and still
trying to establish her self-identity as an independent adult. If all
goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think
your son showed great maturity by looking at his options and deciding
to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK.
Mudslides could probably cure a lot of ills.

Prairie Roots
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:42:54 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and
a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his
life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for
classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort
things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him
up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out.
G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more
than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have
been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY
have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling
pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with
the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general
anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but
thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into
her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis
appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with
yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other
options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the
road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously
but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried
valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from
his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire
grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral
resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for
the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus
making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really
unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had
the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to
him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of
being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to
play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up
his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just
tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating
transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to
be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made
him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting
a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also
explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of
year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned
defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays,
he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is
really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local
jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for
next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at,
only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.
college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with
the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area ....
then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving
him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can
make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to
have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who
hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of
those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access
set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to
tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down?
Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace -
have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at
4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill
included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has
some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday.
So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the
newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15
minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout
queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player
built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set
in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the
treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how
much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know
exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when
your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw
my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh,
it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked
into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get
programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And
through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the
incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize
this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I
DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good
advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@4a x.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you
throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles
are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them
from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion
when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of
the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace
of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the
beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already.
Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the
incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read
somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH -
not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself -
but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I
felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to
fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for
many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell
ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining
the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few
days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or
..2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and
all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time
the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will
still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the
early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for
later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@ 4ax.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

I tell my daughters that there are all kinds of ways to live a life,
not just one, despite all the pressure in high school and beyond to do
things in a particular order in a particular way.

Yes, I keep hoping for the best. And being as supportive as I can,
even when that means telling the truth. My daughter's life certainly
hasn't turned out as I would've planned it, but she's one of those
stubborn people who has to find out the iron is hot by touching it.

Who knows? Maybe your baby has been silently taking notes from her
older sibs' experiences. It may not be so tough after all? Wait and
see, huh!

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:50:53 -0600, Joyce wrote:

It is funny how each child is totally different. We did want my son to start out
at the junior college, but his big sis talked him out of it - told him he would
hate it (since she did). He is much like his father, very quiet and shy, a
homebody. Likes going out and having fun, but also likes returning home. One of
his buddiesmentioned the possibility of them sharing an apartment, doesn't
understand the concept of my son not being unhappy at home.

I also remember very clearly my older brother going through the same thing, seemed
like it took him a long time to get his head into those post-high school years.
He survived and has done extremely well for himself. He also reminded me of this
last week-end, told me he was very glad to see I was handling things so much
differently than what we grew up with. Sometimes those life lessons are hard to
learn, such as what your one daughter has gone through ... but also very neccesary
in helping to get our heads back to where they should be. You're daughter sure
didn't choose the easy route by any means, but it also sounds like she is doing
incredibly well now in making a plan for her and her child's future. GOOD FOR
HER!

I guess all we can do as parents is to hope that lessons do get learned, offer
support where/when we can, and hope for the best outcome somewhere down the line.
I do think that in most cases, all does turn out well in the end. It just might
be a long haul to that end result. sigh And maybe the end result is much more
appreciated when you have to go through the tough stuff to get there? I don't
know, but I see it happen over and over with many kids.

And just think, another year and I get to go through this all over again with the
*baby*. UGH!

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:56:12 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local
junior college her first year. She doesn't adapt easily to change and
decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high school
years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina,
and then, for her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville,
where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a few years out of
college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some
problems, met someone, got pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off
from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid difficulties,
met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is
now divorced. She's digging her way up through the muck and still
trying to establish her self-identity as an independent adult. If all
goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think
your son showed great maturity by looking at his options and deciding
to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK.
Mudslides could probably cure a lot of ills.

Prairie Roots
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:42:54 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@ 4ax.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!




Prairie Roots
232/158.8/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Thanks Lee. Mighty kind words.

I may not judge them, but I have plenty of opinions. LOL

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:02:59 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

PR

The nicest thing about this post is that writing about both daughters, I
detect no judgment about either, that is truly a wonderful gift you have to
give them, love of a concerned parent with no judgment, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local
junior college her first year. She doesn't adapt easily to change and
decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high school
years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina,
and then, for her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville,
where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a few years out of
college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some
problems, met someone, got pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off
from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid difficulties,
met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is
now divorced. She's digging her way up through the muck and still
trying to establish her self-identity as an independent adult. If all
goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think
your son showed great maturity by looking at his options and deciding
to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK.
Mudslides could probably cure a lot of ills.

Prairie Roots
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:42:54 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and
a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his
life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for
classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort
things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him
up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out.
G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more
than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have
been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY
have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling
pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with
the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general
anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but
thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into
her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis
appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with
yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other
options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the
road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously
but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried
valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from
his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire
grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral
resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for
the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus
making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really
unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had
the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to
him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of
being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to
play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up
his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just
tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating
transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to
be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made
him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting
a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also
explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of
year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned
defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays,
he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is
really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local
jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for
next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at,
only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.
college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with
the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area ....
then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving
him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can
make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to
have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who
hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of
those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access
set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to
tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down?
Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace -
have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at
4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill
included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has
some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday.
So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the
newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15
minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout
queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player
built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set
in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the
treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how
much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know
exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when
your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw
my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh,
it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked
into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get
programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And
through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the
incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize
this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I
DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good
advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@4a x.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you
throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles
are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them
from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion
when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of
the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace
of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the
beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already.
Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the
incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read
somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH -
not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself -
but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I
felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to
fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for
many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell
ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining
the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few
days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or
.2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and
all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time
the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will
still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the
early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for
later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!






Prairie Roots
232/158.8/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Glad to hear that life is back to normal.

I've been going through my own turmoils. My oldest (10) can't seem to
stop fighting with his younger brother(8). It's a new thing that they
fight alot. Usually they are best friends but lately he has been getting
in a tiff and slamming up into his room. Maybe it's a growth spurt
making him tired and he's just taking it out on brother. Only thing that
seems to work is to give him some time to calm down. Oh well!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:
LOL! I think daughter likes to talk or dream big. Truth be told, she is a little
bit of a thang - 105 pounds soakin' wet, 5'5" tall (if she stretches a bit). She
can't drink a full glass of milk, let alone a full glass of alcohol. But she
enjoyed the novelty of being allowed to be *grown up*, and I didn't say a word to
her about not finishing the wee bit I did give her.

Yesterday she was able to chew again, said it felt terrific. She had a good
dinner for a change - salad and some pasta, and another salad for a snack later in
the evening. I noticed she hit the pancakes this morning for breakfast. Life is
good again. G

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:36:16 -0500, Connie wrote:


I'm so glad to hear that your daughter is feeling better, must have been
the mudslide that made her recover so quickly!! I'm glad she didn't
drink you under the table ... that would have been worrying!! ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Connie! I'm just getting back to the computer NOW - am not going to last
too long though, am thoroughly wornout and going to head to bed before I wake
fully up (took a lovely 3 hour nap on the couch). Daughter came through with
fantastically, she is a little trooper. She was a little miserable for a day,
much better of Wednesday but still stayed home from school. Yesterday (thursday)
she headed back to school and made it through the day with no motrin. Yeah for
her!!! I did slip her a teeny bit of that mudslide on Tuesday, figuring it might
just help her sleep more. I don't think she drank more than 2T (what a big talker
this one is - lol) ... but she did smile through even that little bit.

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:03:14 -0500, Connie wrote:



Good luck to your daughter, Joyce. Maybe give her some of that mudslide?!

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:




First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:




I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:




Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:




hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:




I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@ 4ax.com...



I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.



Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than



likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push



too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me



a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a



great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I



read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on



the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you



can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently



that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of



that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't



add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher



on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing



me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,



walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling



it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and



immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH



level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making



the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another



few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you



will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same



benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -



which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:



HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!






--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155
RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:


Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:



Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:



Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:



I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:



I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:



Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:



hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:



I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l@ 4ax.com...


I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.


Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than


likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push


too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me


a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a


great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I


read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on


the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you


can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently


that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of


that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't


add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher


on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing


me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,


walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling


it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and


immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH


level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making


the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another


few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you


will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same


benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -


which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:


HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!






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Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155
RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l @4ax.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Very good advice you have given your daughters. I'm all for finding different
routes, different answers. I don't feel we all fit into any one mold. I have
lived by the *for every rule there is an exception* train of thought - which
really is the same thing.

Truth is good, not always what we want to hear but still good. And I do think
there is always something good to find within even the bad situations. If your
daughter hadn't gone through what she has, you wouldn't have that wonderful
grandbaby. And I'm sure that grandbaby is a highlight in your life. My sons
biggest problem is that he is what I call too bright for his own good. Things
have always come easy for him, so he skated through life so far. He learned at an
early age that he could get average grades by never opening a book - heaven forbid
he be happier reaching for something higher. G Freshman year in college the
same story - they kind of babied the kids. This year the rules all changed and he
had no idea where to start and the hole he dug was too deep to get out of. Live
and learn.

The baby is entirely different, nothing has ever come easy for her and it
frustrates the heck out of her. She is learning now though, that she is much
better off. But she is also my timid, fearful little soul and I just can't see
her venturing very far from home. Yet she is talking about looking at schools
that would not give her the option of coming home other than holidays. I don't
think reality has set in. G I know she will have no problems in college as far
as the studies. My fear right now is her choice of localities. Maybe when I drag
her around this summer she will get a better clue? LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:40:05 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

I tell my daughters that there are all kinds of ways to live a life,
not just one, despite all the pressure in high school and beyond to do
things in a particular order in a particular way.

Yes, I keep hoping for the best. And being as supportive as I can,
even when that means telling the truth. My daughter's life certainly
hasn't turned out as I would've planned it, but she's one of those
stubborn people who has to find out the iron is hot by touching it.

Who knows? Maybe your baby has been silently taking notes from her
older sibs' experiences. It may not be so tough after all? Wait and
see, huh!

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:50:53 -0600, Joyce wrote:

It is funny how each child is totally different. We did want my son to start out
at the junior college, but his big sis talked him out of it - told him he would
hate it (since she did). He is much like his father, very quiet and shy, a
homebody. Likes going out and having fun, but also likes returning home. One of
his buddiesmentioned the possibility of them sharing an apartment, doesn't
understand the concept of my son not being unhappy at home.

I also remember very clearly my older brother going through the same thing, seemed
like it took him a long time to get his head into those post-high school years.
He survived and has done extremely well for himself. He also reminded me of this
last week-end, told me he was very glad to see I was handling things so much
differently than what we grew up with. Sometimes those life lessons are hard to
learn, such as what your one daughter has gone through ... but also very neccesary
in helping to get our heads back to where they should be. You're daughter sure
didn't choose the easy route by any means, but it also sounds like she is doing
incredibly well now in making a plan for her and her child's future. GOOD FOR
HER!

I guess all we can do as parents is to hope that lessons do get learned, offer
support where/when we can, and hope for the best outcome somewhere down the line.
I do think that in most cases, all does turn out well in the end. It just might
be a long haul to that end result. sigh And maybe the end result is much more
appreciated when you have to go through the tough stuff to get there? I don't
know, but I see it happen over and over with many kids.

And just think, another year and I get to go through this all over again with the
*baby*. UGH!

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:56:12 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local
junior college her first year. She doesn't adapt easily to change and
decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high school
years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina,
and then, for her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville,
where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a few years out of
college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some
problems, met someone, got pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off
from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid difficulties,
met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is
now divorced. She's digging her way up through the muck and still
trying to establish her self-identity as an independent adult. If all
goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think
your son showed great maturity by looking at his options and deciding
to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK.
Mudslides could probably cure a lot of ills.

Prairie Roots
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:42:54 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l @4ax.com...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!




Prairie Roots
232/158.8/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Ahhhhhh, wonderful sibling rivalry! It gets better, then it gets worse - kind of
a revolving door on a daily basis. LOL My kids do have their moments. When they
were younger, I found that most of those fights were because of something else
that was going on in one of their lives. They tended to bring the issues home
with them, then take it out on someone *safe*. They knew that they could safely
get angry at each other, yet would still be loved a few minutes later. Might be
something else you would want to look into ... make sure something isn't going on
elsewhere that he is having problems sorting out? Giving time to cool down is a
good thing too, I think we all need that most of the time. G

joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:51:43 -0500, Connie wrote:

Glad to hear that life is back to normal.

I've been going through my own turmoils. My oldest (10) can't seem to
stop fighting with his younger brother(8). It's a new thing that they
fight alot. Usually they are best friends but lately he has been getting
in a tiff and slamming up into his room. Maybe it's a growth spurt
making him tired and he's just taking it out on brother. Only thing that
seems to work is to give him some time to calm down. Oh well!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:
LOL! I think daughter likes to talk or dream big. Truth be told, she is a little
bit of a thang - 105 pounds soakin' wet, 5'5" tall (if she stretches a bit). She
can't drink a full glass of milk, let alone a full glass of alcohol. But she
enjoyed the novelty of being allowed to be *grown up*, and I didn't say a word to
her about not finishing the wee bit I did give her.

Yesterday she was able to chew again, said it felt terrific. She had a good
dinner for a change - salad and some pasta, and another salad for a snack later in
the evening. I noticed she hit the pancakes this morning for breakfast. Life is
good again. G

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:36:16 -0500, Connie wrote:


I'm so glad to hear that your daughter is feeling better, must have been
the mudslide that made her recover so quickly!! I'm glad she didn't
drink you under the table ... that would have been worrying!! ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Connie! I'm just getting back to the computer NOW - am not going to last
too long though, am thoroughly wornout and going to head to bed before I wake
fully up (took a lovely 3 hour nap on the couch). Daughter came through with
fantastically, she is a little trooper. She was a little miserable for a day,
much better of Wednesday but still stayed home from school. Yesterday (thursday)
she headed back to school and made it through the day with no motrin. Yeah for
her!!! I did slip her a teeny bit of that mudslide on Tuesday, figuring it might
just help her sleep more. I don't think she drank more than 2T (what a big talker
this one is - lol) ... but she did smile through even that little bit.

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:03:14 -0500, Connie wrote:



Good luck to your daughter, Joyce. Maybe give her some of that mudslide?!

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:




First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:




I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:




Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:




hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:




I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l @4ax.com...



I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.



Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than



likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push



too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me



a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a



great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I



read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on



the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you



can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently



that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of



that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't



add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher



on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing



me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,



walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling



it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and



immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH



level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making



the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another



few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you



will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same



benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -



which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:



HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!