If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
"susanjoneslewis" wrote in message ... Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, Dallas will have to fast and then go to do the lab work, then I guess in a day or so we will see where it all stands. The dr bases his assumption on several things, the weight loss/gain yo-yo of course being the primary symptom. Secondly was the fatigue and cravings he almost *always* has. Third, he looked at Dal's skin and I'm not sure what he concluded from that, he said something about brown patches, especially on his knuckles and at his throat. I'm not sure what all that was about, I have not seen anything about that on diabetes websites I've visited. But he does have them. Fourth and Fifth he has constant thirst and frequent urination (I'm sorta used to him being thirsty all the time and carrying a drink with him almost non stop and having to go pee 100 times a day) Six, the binge/closet eating/cravings that I've try to brush off as "a phase" or as "that's just Dallas" for so long. On top of this of course as I've mentioned before Dallas is ADHD(no flames please, he's been screened and I'm very secure with the dx of ADHD and yes I realize that it's over-dx'ed and over-rx'ed, and no I'm not a lazy mother who doesn't discipline her child) And on top of that Dallas has encopresis - which we are treating with therapy and routine meds to assist his bm's. *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. I'm sorry to hear about this, Susan. Don't beat yourself up because you didn't recognize it. My daughter had lost quite a bit of her hearing before her teacher (who had a deaf child) or I recognized the problem. Looking back we also wondered how we could have missed the signs. Beverly Dallas doesn't know much about diabetes yet and we have briefly touched on the subject so far, about how his eating habits will need to change. How he will need to start taking on more exercise with me than he does now(he walks with me almost 3x a week) I guess once we find out more from the lab work we can move further into diet and exercise for him. I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks for the suggestion ig, I will pick up the book next week when I
get into Austin. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "Ignoramus19080" wrote in message ... Try reading Dr Bernstein's Diabetes solution, which is especially applicable to type 1 children. It is an excellent book. I am deeply saddened by his diagnosis, although I wonder whether Dallas could actually be a T2. T1s can actually have a relatively long and productive life, as long as they are meticulous in keeping their diabetes under control. Please do not blame yourself too much, you are not a doctor and could not even fathom such a disease... Not much you can do to prevent T1 diabetes, either. i In article , susanjoneslewis wrote: Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, Dallas will have to fast and then go to do the lab work, then I guess in a day or so we will see where it all stands. The dr bases his assumption on several things, the weight loss/gain yo-yo of course being the primary symptom. Secondly was the fatigue and cravings he almost *always* has. Third, he looked at Dal's skin and I'm not sure what he concluded from that, he said something about brown patches, especially on his knuckles and at his throat. I'm not sure what all that was about, I have not seen anything about that on diabetes websites I've visited. But he does have them. Fourth and Fifth he has constant thirst and frequent urination (I'm sorta used to him being thirsty all the time and carrying a drink with him almost non stop and having to go pee 100 times a day) Six, the binge/closet eating/cravings that I've try to brush off as "a phase" or as "that's just Dallas" for so long. On top of this of course as I've mentioned before Dallas is ADHD(no flames please, he's been screened and I'm very secure with the dx of ADHD and yes I realize that it's over-dx'ed and over-rx'ed, and no I'm not a lazy mother who doesn't discipline her child) And on top of that Dallas has encopresis - which we are treating with therapy and routine meds to assist his bm's. *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. Dallas doesn't know much about diabetes yet and we have briefly touched on the subject so far, about how his eating habits will need to change. How he will need to start taking on more exercise with me than he does now(he walks with me almost 3x a week) I guess once we find out more from the lab work we can move further into diet and exercise for him. I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks Dewolla, and you are in mine
Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "Dewolla Stepon" wrote in message news:V8pCc.81187$Hg2.26185@attbi_s04... Susan, I don't have any info or help, but you and Dallas are in my prayers. Hang in there. - Dewolla "susanjoneslewis" wrote in message ... Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, Dallas will have to fast and then go to do the lab work, then I guess in a day or so we will see where it all stands. The dr bases his assumption on several things, the weight loss/gain yo-yo of course being the primary symptom. Secondly was the fatigue and cravings he almost *always* has. Third, he looked at Dal's skin and I'm not sure what he concluded from that, he said something about brown patches, especially on his knuckles and at his throat. I'm not sure what all that was about, I have not seen anything about that on diabetes websites I've visited. But he does have them. Fourth and Fifth he has constant thirst and frequent urination (I'm sorta used to him being thirsty all the time and carrying a drink with him almost non stop and having to go pee 100 times a day) Six, the binge/closet eating/cravings that I've try to brush off as "a phase" or as "that's just Dallas" for so long. On top of this of course as I've mentioned before Dallas is ADHD(no flames please, he's been screened and I'm very secure with the dx of ADHD and yes I realize that it's over-dx'ed and over-rx'ed, and no I'm not a lazy mother who doesn't discipline her child) And on top of that Dallas has encopresis - which we are treating with therapy and routine meds to assist his bm's. *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. Dallas doesn't know much about diabetes yet and we have briefly touched on the subject so far, about how his eating habits will need to change. How he will need to start taking on more exercise with me than he does now(he walks with me almost 3x a week) I guess once we find out more from the lab work we can move further into diet and exercise for him. I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks Chris,
I have been pouring over the internet today looking at information and trying to get it all in my head. I hope as well that the lab work turns out well. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "Chris Braun" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:19:23 GMT, "susanjoneslewis" wrote: Susan, I'm sorry you and your son have gotten this news. Maybe the tests won't show what the doctors fear. If they do, I hope you can find the best resources possible to help deal with it. You and your family are in my prayers. Chris 262/145/ (145-150) |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks Ocean for the support, I too was a fat kid and I have tried hard
to make Dal feel normal but at the same time I've tried to make sure he knew there were issues. Thing is, the ADHD has seemed to take the spotlight as far as moderating his behavior, not his eating habits. I guess that's where I've failed as a mom. It just seems like it is becoming more than I am emotionally equip to handle right now. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "OceanView" wrote in message ... "susanjoneslewis" wrote in : Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, Dallas will have to fast and then go to do the lab work, then I guess in a day or so we will see where it all stands. The dr bases his assumption on several things, the weight loss/gain yo-yo of course being the primary symptom. Secondly was the fatigue and cravings he almost *always* has. Third, he looked at Dal's skin and I'm not sure what he concluded from that, he said something about brown patches, especially on his knuckles and at his throat. I'm not sure what all that was about, I have not seen anything about that on diabetes websites I've visited. But he does have them. Fourth and Fifth he has constant thirst and frequent urination (I'm sorta used to him being thirsty all the time and carrying a drink with him almost non stop and having to go pee 100 times a day) Six, the binge/closet eating/cravings that I've try to brush off as "a phase" or as "that's just Dallas" for so long. On top of this of course as I've mentioned before Dallas is ADHD(no flames please, he's been screened and I'm very secure with the dx of ADHD and yes I realize that it's over-dx'ed and over-rx'ed, and no I'm not a lazy mother who doesn't discipline her child) And on top of that Dallas has encopresis - which we are treating with therapy and routine meds to assist his bm's. *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. Dallas doesn't know much about diabetes yet and we have briefly touched on the subject so far, about how his eating habits will need to change. How he will need to start taking on more exercise with me than he does now(he walks with me almost 3x a week) I guess once we find out more from the lab work we can move further into diet and exercise for him. I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 Sorry to hear, but the sooner you know the sooner you can deal with it. I was a fat kid too, but when I was 12 at 5'9 I was 140, so he must be pretty far into the obesity range. My mother used to say I was big-boned (I'm not), or I had "baby fat" (11 years later). It would have been better for me if she'd said, you're fat and you're going to have social ridicule and poor quality of life your whole short life if you don't make some changes. Instead, she bought the junk food I demanded and enabled me to continue gaining. I wish she'd given me more "tough love." Anyway, good luck with the tests. |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
I never said I didn't recognize the obesity jayjay. I said I didn't see
the TYPE 1 DIABETES. In more than several of my past threads I have mentioned my son and his weight issues (walking with me, maybe going to the gym with me, etc) Thanks for the support? Sorry if I sound touchy on the subject, but I *am* touchy on the subject and I hope you thank God every single day that you have an average child. And as far as feeling bad for me for "not recognizing this sooner"? Don't feel bad for me. We'll cope. But understand something, this is not type 2 diabetes, it's not brought on by diet. It's an organ failing to do its job which leads to the weight gain/loss. How the HELL am I supposed to know what his pancreas is doing or not doing? I am not a doctor. It's like if your DS got diagnosed with something horrible(God forbid) like cancer or something equally as devastating and my saying, "well, jayjay, he had red food dye once, didn't you realize it would cause cancer?" Don't even respond to this, because I really don't feel like defending my maternal wisdom or lack of it right now. Susan(yes, I'm bitchy) 280/191/165(mini)/140 "jayjay" wrote in message ... "susanjoneslewis" wrote in message ... Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. I'm not meaning to flame here. But really - how did you NOT see the obesity if he's 11 yrs old, 5'1" and 170lbs!!! My 5' tall 10 yr old weighs 85lbs and he's not underweight or super skinny, just a typical 10 yr old who's hormones haven't kicked into full speed yet to fill him out. He's gonna out grow me in height this year. My DS has always been a "big kid" for his age - towering over the kids his age. But certainly not in weight/height ratio. I feel bad for Dallas, and for you for not recognizing this earlier. He now has to learn to monitor himself so closely, a huge responsibility for a kid his age, and it does take away from allowing a kid to be just a kid. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, Dallas will have to fast and then go to do the lab work, then I guess in a day or so we will see where it all stands. The dr bases his assumption on several things, the weight loss/gain yo-yo of course being the primary symptom. Secondly was the fatigue and cravings he almost *always* has. Third, he looked at Dal's skin and I'm not sure what he concluded from that, he said something about brown patches, especially on his knuckles and at his throat. I'm not sure what all that was about, I have not seen anything about that on diabetes websites I've visited. But he does have them. Fourth and Fifth he has constant thirst and frequent urination (I'm sorta used to him being thirsty all the time and carrying a drink with him almost non stop and having to go pee 100 times a day) Six, the binge/closet eating/cravings that I've try to brush off as "a phase" or as "that's just Dallas" for so long. On top of this of course as I've mentioned before Dallas is ADHD(no flames please, he's been screened and I'm very secure with the dx of ADHD and yes I realize that it's over-dx'ed and over-rx'ed, and no I'm not a lazy mother who doesn't discipline her child) And on top of that Dallas has encopresis - which we are treating with therapy and routine meds to assist his bm's. *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. Dallas doesn't know much about diabetes yet and we have briefly touched on the subject so far, about how his eating habits will need to change. How he will need to start taking on more exercise with me than he does now(he walks with me almost 3x a week) I guess once we find out more from the lab work we can move further into diet and exercise for him. I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks for the kind support Cynthia, I'm positive Dallas and I will cope
and make the most of a really crappy situation. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "Cynthia Perry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:15:05 GMT, OceanView wrote: Sorry to hear, but the sooner you know the sooner you can deal with it. I was a fat kid too, but when I was 12 at 5'9 I was 140, so he must be pretty far into the obesity range. I too am sorry to hear this and wish Susan the best coping with it. My mother used to say I was big-boned (I'm not), or I had "baby fat" (11 years later). It would have been better for me if she'd said, you're fat and you're going to have social ridicule and poor quality of life your whole short life if you don't make some changes. Instead, she bought the junk food I demanded and enabled me to continue gaining. I wish she'd given me more "tough love." Anyway, good luck with the tests. Well, my mother DID say I was fat, that I shouldn't sit in her good chairs because I'd break them, that I'd have trouble in life, etc..., etc... etc... ad nauseum. It certainly didn't help me any. I mean, I was living it, and I knew about the social ridicule... which I probably would've gotten, fat or not, as I was a shy kid, sensitive and artistic. (And I wasn't all that fat as a kid... in high school, at 5'7", I was about 140 pounds.) What it did to me was make me grow up feeling unloved, lonely and horribly unhappy. And it didn't stop me eating. If anything, I probably ate more for comfort. And I sneaked food. No, mom did not buy *me* junk food, but she did buy things like Doritos, nuts, chips, ice cream for my dad. And believe me, I found them and sneaked them, no matter how well they were hidden. And I ate extra of things like bread, butter, peanut butter, etc... that were generally around the house. Kids aren't stupid... they know when they are fat. Believe me, they hear about it from school acquaintances, or just see they are different from the norm. Telling them the consequences makes a difference only a small percent of the time. Just like telling kids the consequences of smoking or drinking or unprotected sex or drugs keeps all kids from trying that. I'm not saying that it isn't a good thing to let kids know what the consequences are, but assume they are smart enough to know in many cases. Harping on something like this often gets the opposite results from what you want. That said, your mom should not have continued to buy you junk food! And it may not have helped to foster any illusions about your weight. I feel for Susan and her son... it's easy for things to get out of hand and now that they are, her son is gonna go through a tough time adjusting to new dietary restrictions. And if he doesn't adjust, the consequences are pretty bad. However, at least Susan has learned for herself... and she can now offer help to her son and support. She might also consider looking for support groups for young folk with diabetes... that might give her son a place to "air it out" when he needs to. Cynthia |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thanks J.J. In WA for the information, I think it's either an Internist
or an Endo that handles diabetes. I will get more information after the blood/labwork is back and go from there. And no offense to the Mark comment taken. He was and is ignorant about this disease and he ended up apologizing profusely about his little speech after we did some online research today together. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "byakee" wrote in message ... Hark! I heard "susanjoneslewis" say: Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). What I mean by pre diagnosed is we have a bloodworkup and screening tomorrow morning, snip *sigh* I felt like a ton of bricks was dropped on me when the Dr said "juvenile diabetes" I felt sick and stupid. How come I didn't recognize this and why wasn't it diagnosed sooner? After all my time spent changing my WOE to what it is today, why am I blind to what was obviously right in front of me in my son. I know it's dumb to beat myself up like this, but I have to wonder where I messed up. I had many of the same symptoms last Winter (including the thirst and urination), and even though I've had gestational diabetes in the past, it *still* didn't sink into my head to check it out. And that's my own body; you're second guessing the symptoms of someone else. So please don't feel so bad -- now that you know, you're trying to get him the best medical care, and that's the most important part. Mark reacted a bit differently which ****ed me off too, he was pretty nonchalant about it and passed if off with a "if he ate better.." speech which I could have done without a f*cking lecture at that particular moment. I may have said 2 words all night after that. No offense to Mark, but he's speaking out of ignorance. If Dallas really is Type1, he didn't get it from his eating habits -- I'm 99% sure that it is hereditary, not environmental. For more info, here is a good source: http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes.jsp I don't really have many questions for you guys, except.. anyone have links or resources for me on this issue? and anyone have a child with t1 diabetes? If/when we get a dx of t1 on him, should I seek the advice of a nutritionist? endo? which type of help should I get in that area? If its t1 I don't think I will feel comfortable with just our family dr. I would seek an Internist -- I'm fairly certain that this is in their area of expertise (that's who I go to). My local hospital offers classes in nutrition and diabetes management; maybe yours does too? Your current doctor should refer you to them if indeed your son is diabetic. Best of luck, Susan, and please keep us posted... -- J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ (COLD to HOT for e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna tear up?" - Carl, ATHF |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
I think shattered, overwhelmed, terrified, terribly ignorant and
downright sad sums up how I'm feeling about all this. Thanks for the kind support janice, I will let everyone know the progress. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "janice" wrote in message ... Susan, I'm so sorry to hear this and can't even imagine how you must be feeling. I don't think diabetes is one of the things you would tend to look for in kids, despite all the recent publicity about the increasing numbers due to poor diet, although from what I understand diet may not be the cause of this type which presumably makes it different from early onset of adult type diabetes which is apparently starting to show up in younger kids. You really need to decide what to do next after you get a definite diagnosis. Do let us know how things go. This is really tough for you and your family. janice On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:19:23 GMT, "susanjoneslewis" wrote: Dallas, my 11 year old son went to the dr yesterday for a checkup and a refill on his allergy meds. Dal weighs 170 lbs and is 5'1. He's always been a "big" kid for his age and I suspect always will be, his father is 6'3 and a hefty guy. the Dr who is semi-new to us has pre diagnosed Dallas as having juvenile diabetes(t1). |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
bad news
Thank you very much jmk, will do. I rely heavily on this newsgroup
(silly as it sounds) for a plethora of things. Information, warmth, support, education, entertainment and sometimes simply a place to vent. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 "jmk" wrote in message ... On 6/23/2004 7:19 PM, susanjoneslewis wrote: Thanks gang for listening. I've gotta go now and dream up something for dinner. Susan 280/191/165(mini)/140 Susan, if there is anything that we can do to help, please let us know. We are all here for you. -- jmk in NC |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Good news | Paul | General Discussion | 14 | April 10th, 2004 07:19 AM |
Goodnews, bad news | Dewolla Stepon | General Discussion | 3 | February 8th, 2004 11:43 PM |
Great news | Cat | General Discussion | 7 | December 18th, 2003 01:54 AM |
Article: Don't swallow diet news whole | jmk | General Discussion | 4 | December 4th, 2003 04:44 PM |
Latest Low Carb News | Dave N | General Discussion | 1 | November 18th, 2003 07:13 AM |