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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 5, 10:30 am, "Jeri" wrote:
teachrmama wrote: snip Why are you so upset about something so minor? You are making yourself look like a control freak. Just ignore the threads you do not want to participate in. That's what I do. I'm not going to suggest that you not discuss whatever you wish with Caleb. I do wish you would take him up on his invite though. Here are a few facts about all this. Maybe you'll see that it's not so "minor" afterall. Year after year Caleb comes back to ASD with the same 100 day diet plan. He adopts an unbalanced low calorie diet and rigorous exercise plan so he can lose as much weight as possible in 100 days. He then disappears until the next year when he starts all over again. The first year almost everyone tried to have a civil discussion with him about the unhealthy way in which he was trying to lose weight. The fact that finding a way of eating that he could live with and follow for the rest of his life was so much healthier in the long run, etc etc. He ignored everyone and for 100 days the newsgroup basically degenerated into Caleb's group. Then he disappeared. Now every year he comes back and finds one or two new people who will support him and think they can be the one to set him on the path to a more healthy way to lose weight and keep it off. And they rail against the unsupportive attitude of everyone else. The fact is, he doesn't want to discuss anything. He wants attention, any attention, even if it's negative and he knows exactly which buttons to push to get it. Why do you think he posted here? He has his own newsgroup that he set up. Here's a hint. For 30+ days he's been posting his "progress" over on asd.low-calorie and he wasn't getting the attention he wanted. Ask yourself this..... if he really wanted to enter into a discussion why didn't he reply to you when you asked him a question over there? What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants. -- Jeri OMG...that's horrible. I hope the person defending him soon realizes who they are defending..... |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"Jeri" wrote in message news:45c777bf$0$1434 What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants. -- Jeri Oh ****. Here is a "clinical psychologist" encouraging a person with an eating disorder to starve herself. |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote: You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to last 100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all back again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again. it's why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert his methods to sustainable. So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all back. You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake below some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can no longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss plan that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the losing? So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the most unkindest cut of all!" Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.") So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have? Not very humane to do so. Caleb |
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On Feb 5, 11:08 am, "determined" wrote:
"Jeri" wrote in message news:45c777bf$0$1434 What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants. -- Jeri Oh ****. Here is a "clinical psychologist" encouraging a person with an eating disorder to starve herself. Why don't you look at what I just posted when she told me her goals? Caleb |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote: You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to last 100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all back again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again. it's why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert his methods to sustainable. So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all back. You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake below some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can no longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss plan that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the losing? So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the most unkindest cut of all!" Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.") So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have? Not very humane to do so. Caleb But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and execution here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of eating disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures. -- the volleyballchick |
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On Feb 5, 11:28 am, "Nunya B." wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote: You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to last 100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all back again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again. it's why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert his methods to sustainable. So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all back. You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake below some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can no longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss plan that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the losing? So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the most unkindest cut of all!" Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.") So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have? Not very humane to do so. Caleb But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and execution here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of eating disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures. -- the volleyballchick I don't have a victrim mentality. I know basic arithmetic and I know that I have eaten more food than I should and that's why I put on weight. It's not rocket science. But I was responding specifically to what Doug wrote: "So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again." And actually, overeating can lead to additional asthma attacks in some people, certainly sleep apnea, congestive heart failoure, other pulmonary difficulties, cancer, diabetes, strokes, etc, etc., etc. And so if people regain their weight (perhaps by frequenting McDonald's on a meal by meal basis) and develop hypertension again, should we assume that they do "in fact plan to gain the weight back again"? I don't think so. But we can certainly accuse them of doing so, as too many people have done over the years. Yours, Caleb |
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:30:37 -0500, "Jeri"
wrote: emember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants. Gee, that's a shame. I don't read that group, but I'm awfully sorry to hear that Jenny is getting encouragement in her eating disorder. She really needs professional help. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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On Feb 5, 11:46 am, Chris Braun wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:30:37 -0500, "Jeri" wrote: emember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants. Gee, that's a shame. I don't read that group, but I'm awfully sorry to hear that Jenny is getting encouragement in her eating disorder. She really needs professional help. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 Chris -- Why don't you read what I wrote to her on the other list, as soon as I found out what her goals were. Yours, Caleb |
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"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 4, 6:43 pm, "LFM" wrote: "Patricia Heil" wrote in message news Who was it said that the definition of stupidity is doing something, getting a bad result, and doing the same thing expecting it to come out differently? Sound like anybody we know? That would be the definition of Insanity. And yes, that same definition has been posted to Caleb every year he tries this. As a clinical psychologist, you'd think he'd know the definition of insanity. LFM -- I know what has worked for me in the past and it will work for me again in the future. Caleb Correction Caleb, you know what has FAILED for you in the past, and you will continue to do it again and again, because you are clincally insane. |
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"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 5, 11:28 am, "Nunya B." wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote: You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to last 100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all back again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again. it's why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert his methods to sustainable. So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all back. You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake below some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can no longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss plan that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the losing? So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the most unkindest cut of all!" Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.") So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have? Not very humane to do so. Caleb But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and execution here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of eating disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures. -- the volleyballchick I don't have a victrim mentality. I know basic arithmetic and I know that I have eaten more food than I should and that's why I put on weight. It's not rocket science. But I was responding specifically to what Doug wrote: "So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again." Well you're taking it out of context to make it look like you're being victimized by anyone who doesn't agree with you. In context the claim that you're planning to gain the weight is the fact that you limit your eating less and moving more to 100 days rather than making it a complete lifestyle change. And actually, overeating can lead to additional asthma attacks in some people, certainly sleep apnea, congestive heart failoure, other pulmonary difficulties, cancer, diabetes, strokes, etc, etc., etc. And so if people regain their weight (perhaps by frequenting McDonald's on a meal by meal basis) and develop hypertension again, should we assume that they do "in fact plan to gain the weight back again"? I don't think so. Yes, if they're ordering big macs and quarter pounders with cheese instead of the salads and are doing nothing else to compensate for the extra calories then yes, they're planning to regain. It's one thing to enjoy eating whatever you wish after losing weight and it's another to not understand that you always need to compensate whether it's by cutting back for a few days or exercising more, or both. But we can certainly accuse them of doing so, as too many people have done over the years. Or better yet, in your opinion we can consider them helpless vicitims of society. People who have lost weight know what it takes to take it off. Keeping it off isn't easy but it is simple and doable if you want it bad enough to learn that it's actually work. It's perfectly ok to fail, but to keep doing the same thing over and over as if magicallly it will work eventually doesn't make you a victim. In combination with my eating disorder (under control for now), I also have a propensity for gaining weight very very easily. I could kick back and complain about the fact that for me an hour a day of exercise and 1600 calories will never make me a size six so therefore I shouldn't bother trying, or I can continue to do what I'm doing to keep myself from being over 300 lbs again. If I splurge on good food like I do when on vacation, I know that I have to compensate by spending many hours walking. However, you don't seem to want a reasoned discussion and I do happen to agree with Jeri that you're an attention seeker. You will snip or restate what I wrote to make it look like I'm also victimizing you as you have others who have tried to respond to you with reason. While not the psychotic freakazoid that is Mu/Chung or the stalker boy like other trolls in this group, your responses to what people write are made to paint yourself as some kind of put upon soul while really saying nothing of worth (though with plenty of words). This is similar in the manner of other trolls so I'm choosing not to waste my limited time on your circular "reasoning." I do wish you the best though I also wish you would follow through with taking your discussions to your other group. -- the volleyballchick |
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