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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message . .. teachrmama wrote: Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I tried to do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of us seem to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only by my past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming today. 2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today. You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 4, 5:15 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 4, 11:01 am, "teachrmama" wrote: "Caleb" wrote in message roups.com... snip I do not write these posts to irritate you or anyone else but to support those going on their difficult journey. I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of my approach to weight loss with anyone who is asking a serious question. This topic is too important to shut out voices that may be helpful. You're right about the fact that losing weight is not that difficult, Caleb. It really isn't. That's why some of these weight loss companies are thriving. They depend on people eating their prepackaged, low calorie meals--and the pounds fly off. It isn't the losing that is the difficult part of the proposition--it's keeping the weight off. That is the part of your plan that I have not seen you talk about yet. I would be interested in knowing how you plan to maintain your weight loss once you reach your goal. For me, I am still in the process of losing weight, but I know that once I get to goal, I will need to continue to keep watch on how much I eat, and will need to continue with my physical activities to maintain my weight. There is no option to go back to the way I ate before. Teachrmama - I agree with you about this weight-loss thing. There are two aspects to it, I think: 1. Weight loss, and 2. Weight loss management. I think I'm pretty good at systematic weigh loss now. I used to be fairly good at maintenance but then I hurt my back and required surgery. Before then I would run long distances, probably completed 10 marathons, etc. With the removal of disk L5-S1, my jogging days were over. And so in 1999 my weight reached 272 pounds (I think). And it hit me on a trip to my physician that if I were good for the next hundred days, I would be a hell of a lot healthier. (The trip to the doc was about my 23rd wedding anniversary.) I also realized that 100 days from that point would take me to the day before Thanksgiving. I penciled it out, realized what I had to do, and I did it. I lost about 50 pounds in that time. I've done that several times since then. I haven't been as good at weight loss management. My plans now are to take my scale downstairs after I reach 200 pounds and weigh myself every night before dinner. And if I go over a five pound limit (such as 205), to immediately return to a vigorous weight loss regimen. (You can take a look at the "hacker's diet" on Wikipedia for one successful approach to this conundrum.) I too have to cut down the calories. Also I know that I can't do the kind of heavy exercise I used to do, although I did just come back from three and a half hours of heavy snowshoeing and I feel great! Seems to me that if I had a neighbor who was a skilled plumber but a lousy gardener, I probably would ask about plumbing matters, such as repairing a leaking faucet. And so would a lot of other people who wanted faucets that don't drip. (There is a great quote I remember from grad school: "If a society prizes philosophy above plumbing, we're going to have pipes that leak and ideas that don't hold water!" Seems to me that if we emphasize generalities and denigrate specific methods, we will employ a lot fewer successful methods.) Wow. I'm sorry to hear about the back problems. Have you consulted an expert in the area of exercise (or physical therapy) to find out what form of exercise would be one you could follow regularly in spite of your injury? I know you realize that physical activity is very important in maintaining a healthy body. Have you come up with a specific plan for maintenance, other than your 5 pound rule? Such as what foods you will eat in moderation, and which you will eat rarely, etc. I know that being careful what foods I keep in the house helps me a lot. And my teenage daughters are forming some very good habits, too. Hopefully they will never have to lose weight--they will have formed the habits that will help them maintain the proper weight, including both eating and exercise choices. Yup -- Days of beer every night are behind me, I'm afraid. (Not only behind me but also around my hips, etc.) And I certainly agree that limiting the variety of foods is important, getting out of the kitchen and staying out of the kitchen after dinner is important. I will also have to generally monitor the calories consumed in the course of a week, especially if the scale creeps up. Good for the healthy habits of you and your daughters! Overweight runs heavily in a part of my family and I resemble no one so much as my previously very overweight grandfather (who has long since passed away). Indeed, I look so much like him, I use his picture to shave by! (That's a terrific joke by Mark Twain who would send this response to everyone who sent him a picture saying how much so-and-so looked like Twain.) However, our children are very athletic and resemble my far better half in the weight department. For me walking -- especially walking uphill -- has replaced jogging. There is a little hill close by -- 600 feet gain -- and I walk the mile and a half up it about every other day. A friend and I park a car at the top and we walk up to the car. Today the same friend and I went on a snowshoe hike around Mt. Hood. Beautiful out there. Two weeks ago I "hit the wall" because I didn't have enough calories and at the third hour, i got dizzy, had vision problems, etc., until my friend gave me an energy bar. Today I had more than sufficient calories and I think I could have done the same trek twice today. I like going uphill because it's easy to control how much of a workout one gets -- a little faster and I'm gasping. Also, I don't get the pounding that going downhill on pavement bring about. After going up this hill for about 7 years, I think that if we were going to move, I'd like to move to a place with a similar hill. It is just very, very handy. Hope things continue to go well! Yours truly, Caleb |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message . .. teachrmama wrote: Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I tried to do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of us seem to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only by my past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming today. 2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today. You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? Google is your friend. |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On Feb 4, 8:33 pm, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote: teachrmama wrote: "The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I tried to do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of us seem to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only by my past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming today. 2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today. You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He *deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what people are telling you. You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say that? Google is your friend. Teachrmama -- I was pretty sure you wouldn't receive a decent response to your question. I wonder if Google can tell me my favorite color? How many coins I have in my pocket? How many teeth I have in my mouth? This is typical of a lot of criticism -- make the accusations and then run away when someone asks you to be specific. Throw enough stuff against the wall and maybe some of it will stick, or people may just remember that there was a lot of criticism, whether or not all of it is just baloney. I really don't know why people dislike my posts the way they do. As I have said earlier, I do not swear at others, etc., and am not negative unless others are negative first. Also, the specifics of what I propose regarding weight loss are extremely mainstream, something that physicians are generally likely to agree with. Speculating as to motives is usually not very helpful. I don't have a medical degree - don't pretend to be a physician, etc. -- but I do find it curious that so many people on ASD state as medical fact things that still uncertain or even proven to be untrue. Rather reminds me of the prototypic Englishman who -- when visiting foreign countries and being unable to speak the language of that country -- simply starts to yell to get his point across. (An early developmental milestore is for children to be able to state things in different ways if people cannot understand what they are saying the first time.) Yours, Caleb |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "LFM" wrote in message . .. "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message . .. teachrmama wrote: I'm just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell me I shouldn't talk to him either. Talk to him all you want - in the group that he set up for talking about it. Is it really all that hard to understand? Actually, yes it is. Why shouldn't we be free to talk here? There are certainly some extremely obnoxious threads here right now that haven't been jumped on the way this rather innocuous thread has been. Caleb posts are considered trolling and off topid to ASD. Therefore if you want to continue with an off topic dialog with a troll, then do not be surprised with others chose to classify you in the same category as they do him, and kill file you, ignore you and lose respect in you. Your credibility is at risk by continuing your dialog with him in this forum. Why are you so upset about something so minor? You are making yourself look like a control freak. Just ignore the threads you do not want to participate in. That's what I do. I guess we're just a bunch of control freaks then. Have fun with Caleb. |
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"Caleb" wrote in message ps.com... On Feb 4, 6:42 pm, "LFM" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: I'm just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell me I shouldn't talk to him either. Talk to him all you want - in the group that he set up for talking about it. Is it really all that hard to understand? Actually, yes it is. Why shouldn't we be free to talk here? There are certainly some extremely obnoxious threads here right now that haven't been jumped on the way this rather innocuous thread has been. Caleb posts are considered trolling and off topid to ASD. Therefore if you want to continue with an off topic dialog with a troll, then do not be surprised with others chose to classify you in the same category as they do him, and kill file you, ignore you and lose respect in you. Your credibility is at risk by continuing your dialog with him in this forum. LFM - Who exactly died and made you chief of the world? Guilt by declaration is right up there with a belief in a flat earth. Your accusations are childish, shrill, and will turn others against you. They are so 7th and 8th grade: "If you're friends with Lucy then you can't be friends with me! But I will like you if you don't like Lucy!" I'll talk to almost anyone on matters of importance -- and I sure wish that Herr Bush would do the same thing. By the way, what is the secret group that you're a member off that gets to decide who the trolls are and whether I'm off-topic "to ASD"? What is your secret hand shake? Do you get to wear masks and headdresses? Reminds me of Senator Joe McCarthy (intoning slowly because it seems as though he knows what he's tlaking about): "My friends, I have in my hands a list of the communists who have taken over the government... Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?" Ooo! Ooo! I have just the update: "Are you now talking to -- or have you ever talked to -- Caleb on ASD after we told you not to do so?" Inquiring minds want to know -- when did the secret group convene? Do you have the minutes of the meeting? Who wrote up the bylaws? Who else is on the docket in the future to be so censured? What weight-loss topics are fobidden on ASD? etc., etc. So one can see that trying to stiffle free speech on this group is somewhat like trying to capture a cloud with a butterfly net. Pretty darned tough to do. You are responsible for yourself, and perhaps your children (if you have any), and for your dog. I'd try not to micromanage the cat, though. Our cat hates it. Yours, Caleb And to think you are a clinical psychologist. Unbelievable. You know, you live in my zip code, maybe we could meet for coffee or something, and you could really psychoanalyze me. |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "LFM" wrote in message . .. "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I don't doubt that you have a darn good reason for your choices. I'm just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell me I shouldn't talk to him either. THAT's the part that I find odd. I didn't say you couldn't/shouldn't talk to him - I suggested to you that if you wish to continue the dialog with him that you take it to the appropriate newsgroup that he setup for his plan, out of respect to the rest of this group. Do you tell everyone that participates in threads you do not approve of the same thing? YES. Especially with the track record this moron has. |
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Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie
On 2 Feb 2007 09:06:46 -0800, Caleb wrote:
If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see them there! Yours, Caleb Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day diet, and how much you regained from day 101 onwards? janice So it is him! Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on alt.support.diet.low-calorie my progress. I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult or complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people suffer emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible dietary approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket science about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is not easy. I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this time -- hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that tough to do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first started this approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc., etc. Couple of points for people to remember: There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their attention. It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up. Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I have a simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since '99 that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb" "balance beam" on Google.) Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat adheres to your dietary goals -- is important. Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea and that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle speeding up metabolism) are not supported by current data. Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and just keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you, you might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their weight loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic in their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may vary!" And certainly it is true that there are different strokes for different folks. To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not easy. Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows a road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things. Yours, Caleb Caleb, Mu here. Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain? Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO. Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so few can or elect to do so. Scratch that. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:11:46 -0800, determined wrote:
You know what? Shut up? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:32:44 -0800, determined wrote:
SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you don't like my posts? This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect." Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize others. Caleb Oh bull****, Caleb. Seriously, and I thought you were an educated adult. No one here thinks that of you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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