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  #31  
Old April 8th, 2004, 02:24 AM
Chrono-Z
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

Thanks for the encouragement . I'm still going to hang around here. Mostly
because the great recipes and exercise advice. This thing i'm doing now
isn't exactly low carb in the traditional sense, but cutting out excess
sugar (junk food) is still a part of it, like any good way of eatting should
be of course.
"Carmen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
On 7-Apr-2004, "Chrono-Z" wrote:

You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the
brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some
weight, but
it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency
room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder
had became
mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions
were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with
similar
problems. He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped
me form a
healthy way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that
was
well rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't
care
how much fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with
being
hungry a few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of
calories.
It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again.


I hope it *was* caused by lowcarbing in your case - because then it
won't come back again. If not you're going to be a hurting puppy
again. Good luck and good health.

Take care,
Carmen



  #32  
Old April 8th, 2004, 02:33 AM
Chrono-Z
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow minded
that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it out to you?

"marengo" wrote in message
s.com...
Chrono-Z wrote:
| *snip*
| Troll away, follow a low-fat/high carb diet and die young, or eat
| healthy low-carb and enjoy a long life. Your choice.
| *end snip*
|
| You sound almost as bad as he does. Just because it worked for you
| doesnt mean it's the end all diet for everyone else in the world.

And you sound as much of a troll as he.

--
Peter
270/224/180
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  #34  
Old April 8th, 2004, 02:42 AM
marengo
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

Chrono-Z wrote:
| Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow
| minded that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it
| out to you?
|
Because this is a low-carb diet support group (alt.support.diet.low-carb.)
If you are here to neither promote low-carb diting nor to support those who
do it, then what other conclusions can be drawn? Boredom? Inability tto
find a support group for the type of dieting that you choose?
--
Peter
270/224/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo


  #35  
Old April 8th, 2004, 02:43 AM
The Windsors
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Jeez!
I am really saddened by your loss, but could it be that your Wife had a
severe depression that caused her to lose her interest in life outside of
her door? Maybe you could've helped rather than comforting yourself with
McD's and refusing to love and cherish her!
Atkins is not a CULT! It is a back to Nature way of eating, that as a major
bonus, causes weight loss. Lean (organic?) meat and fresh seafood, gourmet
cheeses, dozens of different veggies (that you could grow yourself!),and
select nuts and berries. This is the way we were intended to eat, before
drive though and Turkey Dinner in a box came along. How can anyone argue
with that. In fact, why are we all so fat? Because we were eating
unhealthy!
If you are going to be a critic, do us a favor and read some books! Even
Atkins himself didn't suggest that people stay in Induction Phase for any
longer than 2 weeks! Then you are supposed to move on to Ongoing Weight
Loss.....
Come on, you are trying to blame everybody but yourself for the loss of your
Wife! If you had listened to and helped and cherished her just one little
tiny bit, perhaps she'd still be at your side. Flowers and some sugar free
gum might've helped.

Jen
230/211/140


  #36  
Old April 8th, 2004, 02:56 AM
Chrono-Z
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt translate
into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a maturity issue.
Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for your cause.

"marengo" wrote in message
s.com...
Chrono-Z wrote:
| Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow
| minded that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it
| out to you?
|
Because this is a low-carb diet support group (alt.support.diet.low-carb.)
If you are here to neither promote low-carb diting nor to support those

who
do it, then what other conclusions can be drawn? Boredom? Inability tto
find a support group for the type of dieting that you choose?
--
Peter
270/224/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo




  #37  
Old April 8th, 2004, 03:17 AM
revek
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Default Koo-Koo for Cocoapuffs!

The Windsors burbled across the ether:
Jeez!
I am really saddened by your loss, but could it be that your Wife had
a severe depression that caused her to lose her interest in life
outside of her door?


It was probably his worthlessness that finally got to her. I mean, she
gets ketosis breath (easily fixable problem) and won't go hang at the
bars every weekend and he divorces her. The man has no concept of 'for
better or worse'.

Come on, you are trying to blame everybody but yourself for the loss
of your Wife!


He didn't lose her. He *left* her.

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
Goal weight : when one can get nekkid & not scare bystanders.--Robyn


  #38  
Old April 8th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Carmen
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

Hi,
On 7-Apr-2004, "Chrono-Z" wrote:

Thanks for the encouragement . I'm still going to hang around
here. Mostly because the great recipes and exercise advice. This
thing i'm doing
now isn't exactly low carb in the traditional sense, but cutting out
excess sugar (junk food) is still a part of it, like any good way of
eatting should be of course.


With a few exceptions pretty much nobody has declared sugar a dietary
necessity. 'Course there's always next week...G
It's too bad Violet isn't here anymore. She had some excellent
vegetable ideas. Thanks to her I know that cooked radishes taste good
to me. Who'd have thought it? :-)

Take care,
Carmen
  #39  
Old April 8th, 2004, 03:39 AM
Karen Rodgers
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Default Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:09:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:

You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing
thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it
wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room with a
morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became
mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were
horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar problems.
He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a healthy
way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well
rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much
fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a
few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It beats
the hell out of being in the hospital again.


(I'm not picking on you, sorry.)

Ah, no, if you'd been brainwashed, you'd continue Aktins, even though,
clearly, it isn't for you. Atkins isn't a miracle diet, there isn't
any one diet that's good for absolutely everyone. I wish you a lot of
luck, and good health with your diet.

But instead of just throwing words like "brainwashing" around willy
nilly, like the OP on that other thread ("Atkins quackery, proof," or
whatever it was) did, let's be very clear about its meaning.

Here's the American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word
"brainwashing."

brain·wash·ing, n.

1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or
religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions
and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of
fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion,
such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in
order to develop a specific belief or motivation.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

And from CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary,

brainwashing

psychology Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and
actions in certain directions through the application of
various forms of psychological pressure or torture.

(17 Dec 1997)
On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98
Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB

Going by these definitions, there is no true brainwashing associated
with low carb diets, Atkins included.

American Heritage definition #1, "Intensive, forcible indoctrination,
usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic
convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set
of fixed beliefs."

No one indoctrinated me forcibly, or otherwise, all I did was read the
Atkins book (and since, other books on the subject), follow it with
further research, and be swayed by hard data. This is indoctrination?
Since when?

American Heritage definition #2. "The application of a concentrated
means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated
suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation."

I've never seen buckets of ads on tv for the Atkins diet, nor
commercials on the radio touting it (just ads that advertise low carb
friendly eating, not the same as saying "Go on ____ diet." However it
is saying "Buy stuff to go along with ____ diet"). I get more
advertising persuasion about what car to drive than I get for the
Atkins diet. So far car ads haven't swayed me to go out and buy every
car I see. So persuasion by advertising is out. That leaves repeated
suggestion, nope, that's not applicable either, no one said "Go on
Atkins." to me over and over again, if anything, the opposite is true.

Moving on to the Cancerweb On-line Medical Dictionary definition,
"Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain
directions through the application of various forms of psychological
pressure or torture."

I wasn't tortured, nor suffered various forms of psychological
pressure to be swayed to switch to a low carb diet. I'd make a good
bet that most everyone else here wasn't either.

I should also add that I started low carbing when low carbing wasn't
cool (went off, my bad, and restarted seriously again last year). My
own empircal data, weight loss, lower blood pressure, lower cholestrol
(189, thank you very much), and bloodwork all tell my doctor and I,
that I'm on the right track.

Karen Rodgers

**********
Windbourne, folk singers of the future
http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********
  #40  
Old April 8th, 2004, 03:50 AM
Chrono-Z
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Default Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)

Very informative post. It's just a generic term to me, i'm not a linguist by
any means. I was told by my family and friends repeatedly to go on the diet
or I would be diebetic and lose my feet, so I guess that was just the
experiance I was going for. I really don't want to argue over a word.

"Karen Rodgers" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:09:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:

You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing
thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it
wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room

with a
morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became
mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were
horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar

problems.
He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a

healthy
way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well
rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how

much
fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a
few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It

beats
the hell out of being in the hospital again.


(I'm not picking on you, sorry.)

Ah, no, if you'd been brainwashed, you'd continue Aktins, even though,
clearly, it isn't for you. Atkins isn't a miracle diet, there isn't
any one diet that's good for absolutely everyone. I wish you a lot of
luck, and good health with your diet.

But instead of just throwing words like "brainwashing" around willy
nilly, like the OP on that other thread ("Atkins quackery, proof," or
whatever it was) did, let's be very clear about its meaning.

Here's the American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word
"brainwashing."

brain·wash·ing, n.

1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or
religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions
and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of
fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion,
such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in
order to develop a specific belief or motivation.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

And from CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary,

brainwashing

psychology Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and
actions in certain directions through the application of
various forms of psychological pressure or torture.

(17 Dec 1997)
On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98
Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB

Going by these definitions, there is no true brainwashing associated
with low carb diets, Atkins included.

American Heritage definition #1, "Intensive, forcible indoctrination,
usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic
convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set
of fixed beliefs."

No one indoctrinated me forcibly, or otherwise, all I did was read the
Atkins book (and since, other books on the subject), follow it with
further research, and be swayed by hard data. This is indoctrination?
Since when?

American Heritage definition #2. "The application of a concentrated
means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated
suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation."

I've never seen buckets of ads on tv for the Atkins diet, nor
commercials on the radio touting it (just ads that advertise low carb
friendly eating, not the same as saying "Go on ____ diet." However it
is saying "Buy stuff to go along with ____ diet"). I get more
advertising persuasion about what car to drive than I get for the
Atkins diet. So far car ads haven't swayed me to go out and buy every
car I see. So persuasion by advertising is out. That leaves repeated
suggestion, nope, that's not applicable either, no one said "Go on
Atkins." to me over and over again, if anything, the opposite is true.

Moving on to the Cancerweb On-line Medical Dictionary definition,
"Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain
directions through the application of various forms of psychological
pressure or torture."

I wasn't tortured, nor suffered various forms of psychological
pressure to be swayed to switch to a low carb diet. I'd make a good
bet that most everyone else here wasn't either.

I should also add that I started low carbing when low carbing wasn't
cool (went off, my bad, and restarted seriously again last year). My
own empircal data, weight loss, lower blood pressure, lower cholestrol
(189, thank you very much), and bloodwork all tell my doctor and I,
that I'm on the right track.

Karen Rodgers

**********
Windbourne, folk singers of the future
http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********



 




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