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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Thanks for the encouragement . I'm still going to hang around here. Mostly
because the great recipes and exercise advice. This thing i'm doing now isn't exactly low carb in the traditional sense, but cutting out excess sugar (junk food) is still a part of it, like any good way of eatting should be of course. "Carmen" wrote in message ... Hi, On 7-Apr-2004, "Chrono-Z" wrote: You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar problems. He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a healthy way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again. I hope it *was* caused by lowcarbing in your case - because then it won't come back again. If not you're going to be a hurting puppy again. Good luck and good health. Take care, Carmen |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow minded
that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it out to you? "marengo" wrote in message s.com... Chrono-Z wrote: | *snip* | Troll away, follow a low-fat/high carb diet and die young, or eat | healthy low-carb and enjoy a long life. Your choice. | *end snip* | | You sound almost as bad as he does. Just because it worked for you | doesnt mean it's the end all diet for everyone else in the world. And you sound as much of a troll as he. -- Peter 270/224/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
"marengo" wrote in message
s.com... wrote: LMAO! You're surprised that she chose a diet over an obnixious jerk? The only surprise is that she didn't divorce your annoying butt sooner! Guess she was just waiting for any little excuse, and the diet was the first one that came along ... Heh. You've grown a sense of humor all of a sudden. |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Chrono-Z wrote:
| Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow | minded that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it | out to you? | Because this is a low-carb diet support group (alt.support.diet.low-carb.) If you are here to neither promote low-carb diting nor to support those who do it, then what other conclusions can be drawn? Boredom? Inability tto find a support group for the type of dieting that you choose? -- Peter 270/224/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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Koo-Koo for Cocoapuffs!
Jeez!
I am really saddened by your loss, but could it be that your Wife had a severe depression that caused her to lose her interest in life outside of her door? Maybe you could've helped rather than comforting yourself with McD's and refusing to love and cherish her! Atkins is not a CULT! It is a back to Nature way of eating, that as a major bonus, causes weight loss. Lean (organic?) meat and fresh seafood, gourmet cheeses, dozens of different veggies (that you could grow yourself!),and select nuts and berries. This is the way we were intended to eat, before drive though and Turkey Dinner in a box came along. How can anyone argue with that. In fact, why are we all so fat? Because we were eating unhealthy! If you are going to be a critic, do us a favor and read some books! Even Atkins himself didn't suggest that people stay in Induction Phase for any longer than 2 weeks! Then you are supposed to move on to Ongoing Weight Loss..... Come on, you are trying to blame everybody but yourself for the loss of your Wife! If you had listened to and helped and cherished her just one little tiny bit, perhaps she'd still be at your side. Flowers and some sugar free gum might've helped. Jen 230/211/140 |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt translate
into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a maturity issue. Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for your cause. "marengo" wrote in message s.com... Chrono-Z wrote: | Why do I sound like a troll? Was it because you were being narrow | minded that other diets can work for other people and I pointed it | out to you? | Because this is a low-carb diet support group (alt.support.diet.low-carb.) If you are here to neither promote low-carb diting nor to support those who do it, then what other conclusions can be drawn? Boredom? Inability tto find a support group for the type of dieting that you choose? -- Peter 270/224/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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Koo-Koo for Cocoapuffs!
The Windsors burbled across the ether:
Jeez! I am really saddened by your loss, but could it be that your Wife had a severe depression that caused her to lose her interest in life outside of her door? It was probably his worthlessness that finally got to her. I mean, she gets ketosis breath (easily fixable problem) and won't go hang at the bars every weekend and he divorces her. The man has no concept of 'for better or worse'. Come on, you are trying to blame everybody but yourself for the loss of your Wife! He didn't lose her. He *left* her. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Goal weight : when one can get nekkid & not scare bystanders.--Robyn |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Hi,
On 7-Apr-2004, "Chrono-Z" wrote: Thanks for the encouragement . I'm still going to hang around here. Mostly because the great recipes and exercise advice. This thing i'm doing now isn't exactly low carb in the traditional sense, but cutting out excess sugar (junk food) is still a part of it, like any good way of eatting should be of course. With a few exceptions pretty much nobody has declared sugar a dietary necessity. 'Course there's always next week...G It's too bad Violet isn't here anymore. She had some excellent vegetable ideas. Thanks to her I know that cooked radishes taste good to me. Who'd have thought it? :-) Take care, Carmen |
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Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:09:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:
You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar problems. He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a healthy way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again. (I'm not picking on you, sorry.) Ah, no, if you'd been brainwashed, you'd continue Aktins, even though, clearly, it isn't for you. Atkins isn't a miracle diet, there isn't any one diet that's good for absolutely everyone. I wish you a lot of luck, and good health with your diet. But instead of just throwing words like "brainwashing" around willy nilly, like the OP on that other thread ("Atkins quackery, proof," or whatever it was) did, let's be very clear about its meaning. Here's the American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word "brainwashing." brain·wash·ing, n. 1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs. 2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. And from CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary, brainwashing psychology Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture. (17 Dec 1997) On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB Going by these definitions, there is no true brainwashing associated with low carb diets, Atkins included. American Heritage definition #1, "Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs." No one indoctrinated me forcibly, or otherwise, all I did was read the Atkins book (and since, other books on the subject), follow it with further research, and be swayed by hard data. This is indoctrination? Since when? American Heritage definition #2. "The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation." I've never seen buckets of ads on tv for the Atkins diet, nor commercials on the radio touting it (just ads that advertise low carb friendly eating, not the same as saying "Go on ____ diet." However it is saying "Buy stuff to go along with ____ diet"). I get more advertising persuasion about what car to drive than I get for the Atkins diet. So far car ads haven't swayed me to go out and buy every car I see. So persuasion by advertising is out. That leaves repeated suggestion, nope, that's not applicable either, no one said "Go on Atkins." to me over and over again, if anything, the opposite is true. Moving on to the Cancerweb On-line Medical Dictionary definition, "Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture." I wasn't tortured, nor suffered various forms of psychological pressure to be swayed to switch to a low carb diet. I'd make a good bet that most everyone else here wasn't either. I should also add that I started low carbing when low carbing wasn't cool (went off, my bad, and restarted seriously again last year). My own empircal data, weight loss, lower blood pressure, lower cholestrol (189, thank you very much), and bloodwork all tell my doctor and I, that I'm on the right track. Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** |
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Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)
Very informative post. It's just a generic term to me, i'm not a linguist by
any means. I was told by my family and friends repeatedly to go on the diet or I would be diebetic and lose my feet, so I guess that was just the experiance I was going for. I really don't want to argue over a word. "Karen Rodgers" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:09:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote: You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar problems. He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a healthy way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again. (I'm not picking on you, sorry.) Ah, no, if you'd been brainwashed, you'd continue Aktins, even though, clearly, it isn't for you. Atkins isn't a miracle diet, there isn't any one diet that's good for absolutely everyone. I wish you a lot of luck, and good health with your diet. But instead of just throwing words like "brainwashing" around willy nilly, like the OP on that other thread ("Atkins quackery, proof," or whatever it was) did, let's be very clear about its meaning. Here's the American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word "brainwashing." brain·wash·ing, n. 1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs. 2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. And from CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary, brainwashing psychology Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture. (17 Dec 1997) On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB Going by these definitions, there is no true brainwashing associated with low carb diets, Atkins included. American Heritage definition #1, "Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs." No one indoctrinated me forcibly, or otherwise, all I did was read the Atkins book (and since, other books on the subject), follow it with further research, and be swayed by hard data. This is indoctrination? Since when? American Heritage definition #2. "The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation." I've never seen buckets of ads on tv for the Atkins diet, nor commercials on the radio touting it (just ads that advertise low carb friendly eating, not the same as saying "Go on ____ diet." However it is saying "Buy stuff to go along with ____ diet"). I get more advertising persuasion about what car to drive than I get for the Atkins diet. So far car ads haven't swayed me to go out and buy every car I see. So persuasion by advertising is out. That leaves repeated suggestion, nope, that's not applicable either, no one said "Go on Atkins." to me over and over again, if anything, the opposite is true. Moving on to the Cancerweb On-line Medical Dictionary definition, "Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture." I wasn't tortured, nor suffered various forms of psychological pressure to be swayed to switch to a low carb diet. I'd make a good bet that most everyone else here wasn't either. I should also add that I started low carbing when low carbing wasn't cool (went off, my bad, and restarted seriously again last year). My own empircal data, weight loss, lower blood pressure, lower cholestrol (189, thank you very much), and bloodwork all tell my doctor and I, that I'm on the right track. Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** |
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