Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working? VLCD trap?

"vlcd_hell" wrote in message
om...
Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?
VLCD trap?

I am about to go insane. After two years of deep dedication and going
it alone with VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet) calorie restriction, I need
some input about what is it I am obviously doing wrong. I am doing
everything "right" to the most extreme possible and yet am making no
progress on any front for almost a year - no fat loss, no lean mass
muscle gain, no increased athletic prowess, no pants feeling looser,
no increase in bicep size. Nothing! The anguish and frustration level
has hit an extreme pitch.

MASSIVE AMMOUNTS SNIPPED

I am not famililar with the VLCD, however i do understand the following
apply to everyone:

1. You must eat enough to keep your body going during a day.
2. You should eat smaller meals throughout the day to fuel yourself.
3. If you cut your calories enough, your body will learn to live off that
little calories, and you will have to see a deficit from that new level to
lose weight. Cut down to 800 calories, and you need to burn less than that
to lose because your body has now adapted to 800 calories.

If you work out, you wont have the calories to support the workout, and you
will burn protien, and then lean muscle mass.

That is how i understand it. that diet you are on does not sound very
healthy to me, but this is my opinion. Please do not get offended.

vlcd_hell wrote:
:: Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?
:: VLCD trap?

[...snipped the bs]

when all else fails, try the 2pd.

nutcase...

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:11:22 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

vlcd_hell wrote:
:: Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?
:: VLCD trap?

[...snipped the bs]

when all else fails, try the 2pd.

nutcase...

lol

C'mon Roger, you forget the URL.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

"vlcd_hell" wrote in message
om...
Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?
VLCD trap?

This is 28 pages long, you can't possibly expect anyone to be able to read
all that. I would think you likely have some major dysfunction in your
metabolism and I'd suggest you keep trying doctors until you find someone
who will listen to you. You mentioned having slightly low thyroid levels,
maybe you could find a doctor who will take that more seriously than the
one you've seen. Maybe check with any large university you can find in
your area, sometimes they might be more interested in helping and could be
more aware of research into problems like you describe.

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" wrote in
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"vlcd_hell" wrote in message
om...
Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?
VLCD trap?

I am about to go insane. After two years of deep dedication and going
it alone with VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet) calorie restriction, I
need some input about what is it I am obviously doing wrong. I am
doing everything "right" to the most extreme possible and yet am
making no progress on any front for almost a year - no fat loss, no
lean mass muscle gain, no increased athletic prowess, no pants
feeling looser, no increase in bicep size. Nothing! The anguish and
frustration level has hit an extreme pitch.

MASSIVE AMMOUNTS SNIPPED

I am not famililar with the VLCD, however i do understand the
following apply to everyone:

1. You must eat enough to keep your body going during a day.
2. You should eat smaller meals throughout the day to fuel yourself.
3. If you cut your calories enough, your body will learn to live off
that little calories, and you will have to see a deficit from that new
level to lose weight. Cut down to 800 calories, and you need to burn
less than that to lose because your body has now adapted to 800
calories.

If you work out, you wont have the calories to support the workout,
and you will burn protien, and then lean muscle mass.

That is how i understand it. that diet you are on does not sound very
healthy to me, but this is my opinion. Please do not get offended.



i agree and i speak from personal experience. i went on a vlcd for a few
months as low as 600cals per day at 6'3" tall and over 300 at that time
and my body started eating its self. no lie. i actually lost muscle mass
and kept fat!well i did lose fat with it but mostly muscle. your body is
very smart and learns to use those few calories very very efficiently.
for a female i would not go below 1200 a day and if you are exercising
more than 30mins a day i would up it still. a male should not go below
1500 for more than a few days. i take in 1500-2000+ a day and exercise
and concider myself on a low calorie diet. after your body gets used to
living on 800 cals a day and you decide to up your calorie intake to say
1500 for a more healthy woe you may actually gain a few pounds untill
your metabolism gets its self worked out again.just be healthy. and it
will. it actually shouldnt take to long and you may not gain any weight
at all. im sorry i didnt read all your post but i would assume that your
body will use 800 cals a day just laying in bed in a coma like state. i
lost 140lbs in little over a year and if i had it to do over again i
would have done it totally different in the beginning. peace and good
luck

Ignoramus12172 wrote:
:: In article , Roger Zoul
:: wrote:
:::
::: vlcd_hell wrote:
::::: Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not
::::: working? VLCD trap?
:::
::: [...snipped the bs]
:::
::: when all else fails, try the 2pd.
:::
::: nutcase...
::
:: Roger, maybe the OP has some mental issues, but why dismiss him
:: outright instead of trying to help him. Try to imagine what your
:: mental condition would be if you, as the OP described, had such
:: enormous difficuties losing weight.

Help him....I couldn't even read his post through to the end...if this guy
is real, I doubt he's going to find help on usenet. Of course, he can try
the 2 pound diet! he cross-posted to that ng, if I'm not mistaken.

::
:: i
:: 223/176/180

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:42:57 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

Help him....I couldn't even read his post through to the end...if this guy
is real, I doubt he's going to find help on usenet. Of course, he can try
the 2 pound diet! he cross-posted to that ng, if I'm not mistaken.

You are.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

This is 28 pages long, you can't possibly expect anyone to be able to read
all that. I would think you likely have some major dysfunction in your
metabolism and I'd suggest you keep trying doctors until you find someone
who will listen to you. You mentioned having slightly low thyroid levels,
maybe you could find a doctor who will take that more seriously than the
one you've seen. Maybe check with any large university you can find in
your area, sometimes they might be more interested in helping and could be
more aware of research into problems like you describe.

I think he should charge us for reading this, this is closer to a book than
a newsgroup post..

You have some major issues. You are not eating enough, you are starving
your body. When you don't give your body what it needs to function, it
holds fat stores and burns muscle, which in turns slows your metabolism down
even further. It seems you may have some emotional problems as well, and
you should probably think about getting some professional help to gain
perspective on this...

"vlcd_hell" wrote in message
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VLCD_hell
240/120/175

Do some research on leptin physiology.

Or buy one of Lyle's books.

Pearlf
CPT, ZA