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"Net" Carbs.... "Digstible" Carbs???
Just bought a box of "Dreamfields" macaroni elbows. The front of the
box says 5 grams of 'digestible' carbs. The carb count is 42 per half cup dry with 4 grams of dietary fiber. No mention of sugar alcohols or anything else that looks like it should or could be subtracted. Any ideas on how they're justifying the 5 gram number? |
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Kitt wrote: Just bought a box of "Dreamfields" macaroni elbows. The front of the box says 5 grams of 'digestible' carbs. The carb count is 42 per half cup dry with 4 grams of dietary fiber. No mention of sugar alcohols or anything else that looks like it should or could be subtracted. Any ideas on how they're justifying the 5 gram number? They're claiming that a patentable process prevents digestion of the starch matrix of the wheat. Experiences show otherwise, however, for those of us who use blood glucose meters to test the effect of foods on our bg. Many folks can eat Dreamfields pasta (small servings, as listed on the package) with no serious blood glucose rise. Many, however, have found that the bg spike is merely delayed, not prevented. Testing shows that for many of us, it happens 3-5 hours after eating instead of the usual one hour, and it lasts far longer than the spike caused by regular pasta. It's a YMMV product, but don't believe the 5 digestible gram label for a second. Susan |
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Thanks Susan. I kind of figured it was some kind of voodoo labeling,
but I tried it anyway right after I posted. I can't claim to a true adherent of strict low carb, as I allow myself too many cheats. But, it never hurts to make the cheats as low carb as possible. The Dreamfields was quite good compared to the soy pasta and even better than Mueller's "reduced" carb pasta which nets out at 19 grams per 2/3 cup serving. Anyhoo, I guess this is an acceptable food for my day off. I try to stay under 75 grams total on my one cheat day per week and under 40 the rest of the week. Now, if I could just get off my lazy butt more and do smaller portions, I'm set for a a big whoosh. As it is, I'm maybe losing a little and most importantly, not gaining. I had a prove it to myself session after an injury a little over a year ago. I've been doing some form of reduced carb eating since I first read the original "Carbohydrate Addicts Diet" quite a few years ago, until I sprained my ankle early last summer. I ate whatever landed in front of me for about three months and gained nearly thirty pounds. After a couple weeks of induction and another eight or ten months of what I describe above, I've lost the thirty plus a couple and now I need to get rid of the next fifty. Bottom line, I've proven the validity of low carb eating to myself all over again. Sorry for babbling and thanks again for the input. Kitt Susan wrote: x-no-archive: yes Kitt wrote: Just bought a box of "Dreamfields" macaroni elbows. The front of the box says 5 grams of 'digestible' carbs. The carb count is 42 per half cup dry with 4 grams of dietary fiber. No mention of sugar alcohols or anything else that looks like it should or could be subtracted. Any ideas on how they're justifying the 5 gram number? They're claiming that a patentable process prevents digestion of the starch matrix of the wheat. Experiences show otherwise, however, for those of us who use blood glucose meters to test the effect of foods on our bg. Many folks can eat Dreamfields pasta (small servings, as listed on the package) with no serious blood glucose rise. Many, however, have found that the bg spike is merely delayed, not prevented. Testing shows that for many of us, it happens 3-5 hours after eating instead of the usual one hour, and it lasts far longer than the spike caused by regular pasta. It's a YMMV product, but don't believe the 5 digestible gram label for a second. Susan |
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Kitt wrote: Thanks Susan. I kind of figured it was some kind of voodoo labeling, but I tried it anyway right after I posted. I can't claim to a true adherent of strict low carb, as I allow myself too many cheats. But, it never hurts to make the cheats as low carb as possible. The Dreamfields was quite good compared to the soy pasta and even better than Mueller's "reduced" carb pasta which nets out at 19 grams per 2/3 cup serving. I can't stqnd any of the soy based or enhanced products, bleah. Dreamfields is made from semolina, IIRC, and it tastes just like regular pasta. I do note that even though my BG rose high and stayed high after eating it, Dreamfields did not cause the immediate post meal bloat that normal white flour pasta would. Anyhoo, I guess this is an acceptable food for my day off. I try to stay under 75 grams total on my one cheat day per week and under 40 the rest of the week. Now, if I could just get off my lazy butt more and do smaller portions, I'm set for a a big whoosh. As it is, I'm maybe losing a little and most importantly, not gaining. I had a prove it to myself session after an injury a little over a year ago. I've been doing some form of reduced carb eating since I first read the original "Carbohydrate Addicts Diet" quite a few years ago, until I sprained my ankle early last summer. I ate whatever landed in front of me for about three months and gained nearly thirty pounds. After a couple weeks of induction and another eight or ten months of what I describe above, I've lost the thirty plus a couple and now I need to get rid of the next fifty. Bottom line, I've proven the validity of low carb eating to myself all over again. Sorry for babbling and thanks again for the input. Kitt Slow and steady is better than not doing anything for yourself... keep it up! Susan |
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The BG spikes after eating Dreamfields pastas only seem to affect people
who are pre- or already diabetic, and not even to all of them. I've eaten Dreamfields pastas for an entire week for lunch and still continued to lose weight staying at 40g net carbs/day and that was counting only the digestible carbs that Dreamfields claim. We have NEVER heard from anyone who is not diabetic that they've had a problem with Dreamfields. on Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:27:11 -0400, Susan wrote: They're claiming that a patentable process prevents digestion of the starch matrix of the wheat. Experiences show otherwise, however, for those of us who use blood glucose meters to test the effect of foods on our bg. Many folks can eat Dreamfields pasta (small servings, as listed on the package) with no serious blood glucose rise. Many, however, have found that the bg spike is merely delayed, not prevented. Testing shows that for many of us, it happens 3-5 hours after eating instead of the usual one hour, and it lasts far longer than the spike caused by regular pasta. It's a YMMV product, but don't believe the 5 digestible gram label for a second. ----- Bev |
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Bev-Ann wrote: The BG spikes after eating Dreamfields pastas only seem to affect people who are pre- or already diabetic, and not even to all of them. This may be true, IME. My point is that it completely puts the lie to the claim that 37 grams of carbohydrate are reliably undigestible. Further, the folks looking for low carb foods are often, if not most often, insulin resistant (approx 1/4 - 1/3 of the total population, and most of the obese population) or diabetic. This makes the claim especially irresponsible, IMO. Legally ctionable, even. I've eaten Dreamfields pastas for an entire week for lunch and still continued to lose weight staying at 40g net carbs/day and that was counting only the digestible carbs that Dreamfields claim. We have NEVER heard from anyone who is not diabetic that they've had a problem with Dreamfields. Uh, Bev-Ann? How many non-diabetics do you know who use BG meters to test the effect of foods post-meal? I was one of those who said I had no problem with it until I got a glucose meter, so not hearing from anyone says nothing about whether they're digesting the carbs without knowing it, your own weight loss notwithstanding. Susan |
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I was thinking that too, Susan. Only the diabetics normally test for bg, so
they'd be the only one to know if their bg was being spiked. However, I think what Bev-Ann probably meant was that the "normals" didn't get the symptoms (aka problems) from Dreamfields that they'd tend to get from other white flour products - cravings, etc. By the way, I tend to agree with you that Dreamfields has a serious truth-in-labeling issue. Although I love the stuff, and don't get cravings from it (and don't test bg so have no idea about any bg spike that might or might not occur), the fact that diabetics are getting elevated bgs from it is pretty good evidence that their claims for it are untrue. I've stopped using it (except for once in a blue moon) for that reason. HG "Susan" wrote in message Uh, Bev-Ann? How many non-diabetics do you know who use BG meters to test the effect of foods post-meal? I was one of those who said I had no problem with it until I got a glucose meter, so not hearing from anyone says nothing about whether they're digesting the carbs without knowing it, your own weight loss notwithstanding. |
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Here's what Dreamfields says:
How is the level of digestible carbohydrate established for Dreamfields pasta? A clinical testing method utilizing healthy human subjects is used to measure the levels of digestible carbohydrate contained in DREAMFIELDS pasta. The clinical tests are designated as "in vivo" testing or testing that utilizes a living being, as this is the only known way to establish how the body will process a specific food to create a blood glucose response. The shape and area under a blood glucose response curve is used to determine the level of digestible carbohydrate in a food and if the body is properly processing digested carbohydrates appropriately. DREAMFIELDS clinical testing is conducted at an independent laboratory that complies with FDA guidelines. |
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You're right, most non-diabetics have no reason to test their BG. But I'm
not the only non-diabetic who eats Dreamfields on a regular basis and has no problems with it. Trust me, if we started to gain weight, we'd stop using their products without needing to test our BG. Dreamfields claims are based on tests of healthy individuals. It's possible that diabetics are digesting something in their products differently than healthy people. It's likely similar to why a lot of people, like me, react badly to sugar alcohols because we can't digest them and then there are some who have no problem digesting them so should stay away from them on an LC eating plan. That doesn't mean that SA's claims to be LC-friendly are false. on Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:26:46 -0400, Susan wrote: Bev-Ann wrote: The BG spikes after eating Dreamfields pastas only seem to affect people who are pre- or already diabetic, and not even to all of them. This may be true, IME. My point is that it completely puts the lie to the claim that 37 grams of carbohydrate are reliably undigestible. Further, the folks looking for low carb foods are often, if not most often, insulin resistant (approx 1/4 - 1/3 of the total population, and most of the obese population) or diabetic. This makes the claim especially irresponsible, IMO. Legally ctionable, even. I've eaten Dreamfields pastas for an entire week for lunch and still continued to lose weight staying at 40g net carbs/day and that was counting only the digestible carbs that Dreamfields claim. We have NEVER heard from anyone who is not diabetic that they've had a problem with Dreamfields. Uh, Bev-Ann? How many non-diabetics do you know who use BG meters to test the effect of foods post-meal? I was one of those who said I had no problem with it until I got a glucose meter, so not hearing from anyone says nothing about whether they're digesting the carbs without knowing it, your own weight loss notwithstanding. ----- Bev |
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