Carb Cycling

Hi,
I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body opus"
and this isn't about that...I think.
In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb cycling.
It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts and it isn't CKD
or TKD or whatever that is.
It says it's as simple as eating 60 carbs on low days and 140 on high days.
And you just alternate days like that.
I just wondered if anyone else has experience doing simple carb cycling.
(However, to me, 60 seems like a high carb day.) And it encourages things
like fruit, or starchy veggies like a potato or whole wheat pasta on high
days.
I won't have a problem on the low days, but I wonder if forcing myself to
eat carbs on the high days will really result in the fast weight loss the
article promises. AND it said that carb cycling encourages more FAT loss.
(well low carb encourages fat loss over muscle anyway).
One thing I noticed is that the high carb day seems to be low fat and I'm
not used to eating low fat, but would that be important to do on the high
carb days?
Example
Low carb day High Carb Day
4 egg whites 1 c fruit
1 tsp oil 1 cup whole
grain cereal
2 oz cheese 3/4 c ff milk
1 c strawberries

7 oz tuna 2 oz chicken or
tuna
2 c mixed salad 3 c mixed salad 2 tbs
dressing
3 tbs lcarb dressing 1 med potato or sweet
potato 1 tbs sour cream



4 oz steak 1 c low fat chili
w/out beans
12 aparagus spears 2 tbs sour cream
1 oz blue cheese 1 ear corn
2 cups bell
pepper rings



I used my FitDay software and the low day is around 60 carbs. And the high
day is around 140 (don't remember the fiber carbs for either days though)

Anyway, I'm starting today. I am not really doing a menu on the low days,
but can a day be too low? My carbs for today will be less than 20. (I'm
starting with the low carb day) But tomorrow I will try to get up around
100. (I really don't feel I can eat 140 carbs) I intend to eat more fruit
than starchy veggies because if I have to eat low fat on the high carb days
I can't do that eating something like an ear of corn or a potato.

Forget it and just stick to LC. Cycling carbs may keep you hungry.

~*~Gwendolyn~*~ wrote:
:: Hi,
:: I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body
:: opus" and this isn't about that...I think.
:: In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb
:: cycling. It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts
:: and it isn't CKD or TKD or whatever that is.
:: It says it's as simple as eating 60 carbs on low days and 140 on
:: high days. And you just alternate days like that.
:: I just wondered if anyone else has experience doing simple carb
:: cycling. (However, to me, 60 seems like a high carb day.) And it
:: encourages things like fruit, or starchy veggies like a potato or
:: whole wheat pasta on high days.
:: I won't have a problem on the low days, but I wonder if forcing
:: myself to eat carbs on the high days will really result in the fast
:: weight loss the article promises. AND it said that carb cycling
:: encourages more FAT loss. (well low carb encourages fat loss over
:: muscle anyway).
:: One thing I noticed is that the high carb day seems to be low fat
:: and I'm not used to eating low fat, but would that be important to
:: do on the high carb days?
:: Example
:: Low carb day High Carb Day
:: 4 egg whites 1 c fruit
:: 1 tsp oil 1
:: cup whole grain cereal
:: 2 oz cheese 3/4 c ff
:: milk 1 c strawberries
::
:: 7 oz tuna 2 oz
:: chicken or tuna
:: 2 c mixed salad 3 c mixed
:: salad 2 tbs dressing
:: 3 tbs lcarb dressing 1 med potato
:: or sweet potato 1 tbs sour cream
::
::
::
:: 4 oz steak 1 c low
:: fat chili w/out beans
:: 12 aparagus spears 2 tbs sour
:: cream 1 oz blue cheese 1 ear
:: corn
:: 2 cups bell
:: pepper rings
::
::
::
:: I used my FitDay software and the low day is around 60 carbs. And
:: the high day is around 140 (don't remember the fiber carbs for
:: either days though)
::
:: Anyway, I'm starting today. I am not really doing a menu on the low
:: days, but can a day be too low? My carbs for today will be less
:: than 20. (I'm starting with the low carb day) But tomorrow I will
:: try to get up around 100. (I really don't feel I can eat 140 carbs)
:: I intend to eat more fruit than starchy veggies because if I have to
:: eat low fat on the high carb days I can't do that eating something
:: like an ear of corn or a potato.

"~*~Gwendolyn~*~" wrote in message
.. .
Hi,
I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body opus"
and this isn't about that...I think.
In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb cycling.
It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts and it isn't CKD
or TKD or whatever that is.
It says it's as simple as eating 60 carbs on low days and 140 on high
days. And you just alternate days like that.
I just wondered if anyone else has experience doing simple carb cycling.
(However, to me, 60 seems like a high carb day.) And it encourages things
like fruit, or starchy veggies like a potato or whole wheat pasta on high
days.
I won't have a problem on the low days, but I wonder if forcing myself to
eat carbs on the high days will really result in the fast weight loss the
article promises. AND it said that carb cycling encourages more FAT loss.
(well low carb encourages fat loss over muscle anyway).
One thing I noticed is that the high carb day seems to be low fat and I'm
not used to eating low fat, but would that be important to do on the high
carb days?
Example
Low carb day High Carb Day
4 egg whites 1 c fruit
1 tsp oil 1 cup
whole grain cereal
2 oz cheese 3/4 c ff milk
1 c strawberries

7 oz tuna 2 oz chicken or
tuna
2 c mixed salad 3 c mixed salad 2
tbs dressing
3 tbs lcarb dressing 1 med potato or
sweet potato 1 tbs sour cream



4 oz steak 1 c low fat
chili w/out beans
12 aparagus spears 2 tbs sour cream
1 oz blue cheese 1 ear corn
2 cups bell
pepper rings



I used my FitDay software and the low day is around 60 carbs. And the
high day is around 140 (don't remember the fiber carbs for either days
though)

Anyway, I'm starting today. I am not really doing a menu on the low days,
but can a day be too low? My carbs for today will be less than 20. (I'm
starting with the low carb day) But tomorrow I will try to get up around
100. (I really don't feel I can eat 140 carbs) I intend to eat more
fruit than starchy veggies because if I have to eat low fat on the high
carb days I can't do that eating something like an ear of corn or a
potato.



WWW must be running out of diet ideas. They have a different diet in every
issue, usually they diss "unhealthy fad diets" like lowcarb, so they must be
getting pretty desperate to advocate one - even though it isn't true low
carb. I figured they were desperate when they put out the daVinci diet when
the movie was so popular - lol.
--
Sherry
364/290/195
LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06

I know. The DaVinci diet was STUPID!!!!! Usually I have a good laugh at
the diets but the carb cycling one just caught my attention because I am low
carb.
"UsenetID" wrote in message
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"~*~Gwendolyn~*~" wrote in message
.. .
Hi,
I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body
opus" and this isn't about that...I think.
In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb cycling.
It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts and it isn't
CKD or TKD or whatever that is.
It says it's as simple as eating 60 carbs on low days and 140 on high
days. And you just alternate days like that.
I just wondered if anyone else has experience doing simple carb cycling.
(However, to me, 60 seems like a high carb day.) And it encourages
things like fruit, or starchy veggies like a potato or whole wheat pasta
on high days.
I won't have a problem on the low days, but I wonder if forcing myself to
eat carbs on the high days will really result in the fast weight loss the
article promises. AND it said that carb cycling encourages more FAT
loss. (well low carb encourages fat loss over muscle anyway).
One thing I noticed is that the high carb day seems to be low fat and I'm
not used to eating low fat, but would that be important to do on the high
carb days?
Example
Low carb day High Carb Day
4 egg whites 1 c fruit
1 tsp oil 1 cup
whole grain cereal
2 oz cheese 3/4 c ff milk
1 c strawberries

7 oz tuna 2 oz chicken or
tuna
2 c mixed salad 3 c mixed salad 2
tbs dressing
3 tbs lcarb dressing 1 med potato or
sweet potato 1 tbs sour cream



4 oz steak 1 c low fat
chili w/out beans
12 aparagus spears 2 tbs sour cream
1 oz blue cheese 1 ear corn
2 cups
bell pepper rings



I used my FitDay software and the low day is around 60 carbs. And the
high day is around 140 (don't remember the fiber carbs for either days
though)

Anyway, I'm starting today. I am not really doing a menu on the low
days, but can a day be too low? My carbs for today will be less than 20.
(I'm starting with the low carb day) But tomorrow I will try to get up
around 100. (I really don't feel I can eat 140 carbs) I intend to eat
more fruit than starchy veggies because if I have to eat low fat on the
high carb days I can't do that eating something like an ear of corn or a
potato.



WWW must be running out of diet ideas. They have a different diet in
every issue, usually they diss "unhealthy fad diets" like lowcarb, so they
must be getting pretty desperate to advocate one - even though it isn't
true low carb. I figured they were desperate when they put out the
daVinci diet when the movie was so popular - lol.
--
Sherry
364/290/195
LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06

~*~Gwendolyn~*~ wrote:

Hi,
I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body opus"
and this isn't about that...I think.
In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb cycling.
It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts and it isn't CKD
or TKD or whatever that is.

Something to keep in mind about CKD and TKD (Targeted Ketogenic
Diet - taking in a set amount of carbs immediately before or
after exercise) is that the carbs are about exercise fuel and not
about eating. You're taking in carbs with the idea that you're
refilling muscle glycogen (and aiding recovery) so that you
progress with training.

I often worry when this topic come up here that some people may
see these plans from an eating point of view and not an exercise
point of view.

--
Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

RRzVRR wrote:
:: ~*~Gwendolyn~*~ wrote:
::
::: Hi,
::: I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine
::: body opus" and this isn't about that...I think.
::: In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb
::: cycling. It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts
::: and it isn't CKD or TKD or whatever that is.
::
:: Something to keep in mind about CKD and TKD (Targeted Ketogenic
:: Diet - taking in a set amount of carbs immediately before or
:: after exercise) is that the carbs are about exercise fuel and not
:: about eating. You're taking in carbs with the idea that you're
:: refilling muscle glycogen (and aiding recovery) so that you
:: progress with training.
::
:: I often worry when this topic come up here that some people may
:: see these plans from an eating point of view and not an exercise
:: point of view.

yeah, an "eating carbs" point of view is how they get seen by some. That
why I try not to talk about carbing up around here anymore.

How are things, Rudy?

I walk uphill on my treadmill 2 hours every day. Also, I lift weights about
2x a week. (it used to be more regular but I have slacked off on that)
For me, it is not a question of just diet and not exercise. But it is
interesting that you say that because the person behind this feels that
simply the diet will work and exercise is "gravy" so to speak.
Exercise is important to me because changing my eating habits along with
exercise has helped me go from 205 to 150. I just seem to be stuck here
with 15 more pounds to go and I've been here a while. I'm not unhappy per
se, because I think I look pretty darn good. But I would just like to get to
goal before I die.
Anyway, I'm giving it a try. If it doesn't work for me, well, then I'll
know. However I just wondered if any of the long, long time lowcarbers had
heard of this. It is kind of a simplistic ripoff of what the body builders
do to get "cut" for an event.

"RRzVRR" wrote in message
nk.net...
~*~Gwendolyn~*~ wrote:

Hi,
I read all the posts in the "to all the readers of dan duchaine body
opus" and this isn't about that...I think.
In the latest Women's World mag there is an article about carb cycling.
It's not as complicated as what I had read in those posts and it isn't
CKD or TKD or whatever that is.

Something to keep in mind about CKD and TKD (Targeted Ketogenic Diet -
taking in a set amount of carbs immediately before or after exercise) is
that the carbs are about exercise fuel and not about eating. You're
taking in carbs with the idea that you're refilling muscle glycogen (and
aiding recovery) so that you progress with training.

I often worry when this topic come up here that some people may see these
plans from an eating point of view and not an exercise point of view.

--
Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

"~*~Gwendolyn~*~" wrote in message
.. .
I know. The DaVinci diet was STUPID!!!!! Usually I have a good laugh at
the diets but the carb cycling one just caught my attention because I am
low carb.

Would have caught mine too . I love that little mag, and of course always
read the diets - they usually amuse me .
--
Sherry
364/290/195
LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06

~*~Gwendolyn~*~ wrote:
:: I walk uphill on my treadmill 2 hours every day. Also, I lift
:: weights about 2x a week. (it used to be more regular but I have
:: slacked off on that)
:: For me, it is not a question of just diet and not exercise. But it
:: is interesting that you say that because the person behind this
:: feels that simply the diet will work and exercise is "gravy" so to
:: speak.
:: Exercise is important to me because changing my eating habits along
:: with exercise has helped me go from 205 to 150. I just seem to be
:: stuck here with 15 more pounds to go and I've been here a while.
:: I'm not unhappy per se, because I think I look pretty darn good. But
:: I would just like to get to goal before I die.
:: Anyway, I'm giving it a try. If it doesn't work for me, well, then
:: I'll know. However I just wondered if any of the long, long time
:: lowcarbers had heard of this. It is kind of a simplistic ripoff of
:: what the body builders do to get "cut" for an event.

Not true! A simplistic ripoff is can give a lot different results. And,
you aren't a bodybuilder, so what works for them may not be appropriate for
you.

Anyway, it's your body and your journey. Give it a go and see what happens.
As long as you don't overeat, and since you're trying to lose weight, as
long as you maintain a calorie deficit, you can drop weight (ie, LC is not
the only way to lose weight).

BTW, since you're stuck, I suggest you consider modifying your work out
routine to include HIIT (high intensity interval training - google for it).
This will help you burn the remaining fat. Also, I suggest you review your
weight training and perhaps bump it to 3x per week, full body, compound
movements. Simply doing lots of cardio won't get you the results you need.
You need to use your muscles to ramp your metabolism up, and HIIT and weight
lifting do that much better than just lots of straight cardio (aerobic).

BTW #2, diet alone will work, but exercise helps! With diet alone, you must
maintain a calorie deficit longer. Add in some exercise, and you can offset
the calorie deficit you need to maintain. But exercise also improves
fitness and makes your body stronger and more attractive, while boosting
your metabolism. So, diet alone will work (espeically important for those
who won't or can't exercise) but diet + exericse works better (in terms of
the final result, not in terms of what a person may be able to do -some just
won't exercise).

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
BTW, since you're stuck, I suggest you consider modifying your work out
routine to include HIIT (high intensity interval training - google for
it). This will help you burn the remaining fat. Also, I suggest you
review your weight training and perhaps bump it to 3x per week, full body,
compound movements. Simply doing lots of cardio won't get you the results
you need. You need to use your muscles to ramp your metabolism up, and
HIIT and weight lifting do that much better than just lots of straight
cardio (aerobic).

BTW #2, diet alone will work, but exercise helps! With diet alone, you
must maintain a calorie deficit longer. Add in some exercise, and you can
offset the calorie deficit you need to maintain. But exercise also
improves fitness and makes your body stronger and more attractive, while
boosting your metabolism. So, diet alone will work (espeically important
for those who won't or can't exercise) but diet + exericse works better
(in terms of the final result, not in terms of what a person may be able
to do -some just won't exercise).


I have been trying to implement a HIIT day in my workout. It's just so
doggone hard that I can't keep it up. Sometimes I do my "killer hills"
level that goes from 7 to 12 every two minutes for 96 minutes. (yeah, I
don't get my two hour workout that day) or if I should just try running as
fast as I can for a minute or two then walking (1% incline) to recover, then
doing it all over again for two hours. My regular workout is hard, but the
HIIT is HARD and I use every excuse in the book to not do it. It is very
hard to stick to even one day of HIIT when you are exercising by yourself.
However, it is very intriguing that you say diet alone will work. It sounds
awful, but if I really thought carb cycling alone would work, I would chuck
the treadmill and weights for good. It's bad that I don't work out for
health reasons. It is strictly for weight loss and to maintain. But I have
never just lost weight by dieting.