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"Food for Fuel" vs. "Food is LOVE & Food is FUN"



 
 
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Old February 12th, 2004, 01:53 AM
Gloria
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But wait !! I loved reading you . I like what you said about the way we
should eat plain foods . Simple but plain is a good thing , in fact I
KNOW I would be skinny if I ate YOUR WAY

glo




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Old February 12th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Dally
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JMA wrote:
"vlcd_hell" wrote:

Boy, you people love to attack other fellow members, huh? Envisioning
the very worst scenarios possible about them. I have to say other
forums have been much less attacking, much more helpful, and on the
whole come across as a much more optimistic and cheerful lot.


By all means, hang out in sci.med.nutrition. You seem to be a perfect
fit there. We value pragmatism, honestly, self-awareness... in other
things, different things than that group and all things you don't seem
to have as strengths.

I was just offering my tips, for what has worked for me, as the
hardest loser I've seen in comparison to anyone else I've ever run
across. I've lost 70lbs. 175lb seems to be the ballpark average range
for men I hang with.


I'm really, really confused about the whole weight gain/loss thing. He
says he can't lose weight, he says he lost 70 pounds, he says he looks
great to his friends, and yet complains about his obesity...

Perhaps I have to get more realistic toward the
dream of being a 120lb hill climber again despite approaching middle
age and particularly wanting a cut muscled physique I didn't have in
racing days.


And these goals just have nothing to do with any of that. 120 pounds?
3% body fat? And he complains that diets are doing their job for some
odd reason? That's not a diet, that's suicide.

There is some question about whether I should be in
athlete mode on my Tanita scale, which might suggest I'm actually 14%
BF instead of 26% in standard non-athletic mode.


This paragraph really blew my mind. The guy has been complaining about
hte 10 hours a week he spends in the gym and bragging about his speed
and athletic prowess and then mis-stating his BF% by nearly double? I
mean, c'mon, this is just sick. Hellish Guy, if you're reading this,
let me repeat:

YOU ARE SHOWING SEVERE SYMPTOMS OF EATING DISORDERS. Your relationship
with food is seriously ****ed up. Your body perception and goals for
your body are not reasonable or particularly sane. Your regimen-based
diet (including counting out almonds) and your stupid training routine
are all signs of mental illness. YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP WITH THIS!

I know from
experimentation which regimens happen to work for me. Been doing this
annual "lose the off-season weight" dance for enough years of my life.


If you're talking about five or ten pounds of seasonal weight gain that
falls off when you get back into training then there's no problem. But
it sounds like you're talking about 70 pounds and you have to go through
hell to re-lose it each year. This is just sick.

I am NOT trying to be dismissive, I'm trying to give you some
perspective that you just don't have. Can you hear me?

So maybe instead you should adopt a sensible WOE to keep you more constant
throughout the year? Just a thought...


Jenn, it's a sane, rational thought. He's not functioning at that level.

But heck, everyone is different. My input seems to be rocking the boat
and sharing my non-average experiences appears to not be appreciated
here.


We understand VLCD. We understand fat loss. We understand training for
fat loss. We understand training goals that are outside fat loss. It's
YOU that isn't understanding where you fit in the spectrum of behaviors.

I'm not getting any useful non-dime-store-mantra info here, and
where I spend most of my free hours either working out or quality time
at home, I don't have the free time to devote to this seeming exercise
in futility.


Fine. You asked for help, we offer help, you say we're not helpful,
we're at a standstill. Have a nice life.

My time is better personally spent working out. I'll get
out of your hair where my CRAN approaches won't rock your high calorie
boats.


I'm not sure what CRAN is, and I'm really not sure that your time is
better spent working out [so much], but I *am* sure that we don't have
high calorie boats. I'm around 1500-1600 right now. I've lost 8.5
pounds in the past 5.5 weeks and it all appears to have been from fat.

In fact, like several others here, I've completely transformed my body
from one that couldn't lose weight to one that burns fat. It wasn't
from eating a "high calorie" diet. It wasn't from eating VLCD, either.
Turns out there is a middle road.

Not that you deserve to know, and sorry to disappoint your
schadenfreude fun toward fellow members, but I happen to be quite
happy and sound both mentally and emotionally and even physically.


And yet your posts don't reflect that in the least....


No, they really don't. They exhibit the mental anguish of an
well-educated man in deep denial with excessive amounts of
rationalizations of poor choices.

I suppose you think I'm just being mean for the fun of it. That's not
my motivation. My motivation is the hope that something you read will
spark a teensy bit of self-awareness that you've got a problem and
you'll seek help [outside of usenet] with your eating disorder. It
sounds like an OCD to me but I'm not a psychiatrist.

Feedback from friends in last
weekend's hot tub was "dude, you're not as fat as you think you are!"


Now reflect on this for a moment. Did they say it in a fearful way,
trying not to hurt your feelings, but trying to tell you that you've got
a body dysmorphia thing going on? You keep saying you're fat, you claim
a 26% body fat, the reality is you're closer to 12% (if you're seeing
definition). This is the hallmark of anorexia: you think you're fat
when you aren't. Could this describe you? If it does, what do you want
to do about it? If you're sure it doesn't, then would it at least be
useful to go to a psychiatrist to check it out just in case your denial
is part of the illness?

Ig, I posted my food logging several times now, yet you keep ignoring
it. No skin off my teeth.


I never saw it, either. It's like we're trying to help you and you turn
down all help and then get mad at us for not being helpful.

I want to see your www.fitday.com log for a week, as well as your front,
side and back pictures. You can start a journal at www.bfltracker.com
to show before and after pictures as well as measurements. I've got one
there, for example.

Where have you posted an actual food log?!? Some vague accounting of stuff
you might have eaten, no measurements, etc. You haven't posted anything of
the sort and for chrissake you now have me defending IG!!


I know, that really urks me, too. But Ig is right - the guy is blowing
smoke and Ig is calling him on it.

Good luck y'all in your own personal physique transformations. Don't
let others derail you if your own personal regimen happens to work for
you despite ridicule from these people


Oh, sorry, did you SAY your regimen was working for you? You're in
hell, your diet isn't working, you aren't making strength gains, your
obsession about food is making your life miserable, you've got a HUGE
eating disorder smack in the middle of everything and now you say it
WORKS for you?

you have to consider the
source, this isn't exactly a forum chock full of winning athletes


You don't know us very well, do you? No, I'd say we mostly aren't
"winning" athletes, so we're not the right place to go to get info on
how to win the Tour de France. But Chris just won her age class in a
Powerlifting competition and many, many of us compete in sports.

But what we're REALLY winning at is making significant transformations
in our lifestyles that let us reach healthy body fat perecentages and
achieve an active lifestyle.

(where they even call each other FFID, some group).


Most people here aren't FFID. You are, though, mostly because of your
massive DENIAL thing.

I particularly liked the deft way you denigrated us as not having useful
information because we haven't won bike races. That was one of your
little mental tricks for rationalizing not listening to us.

Hey dipwad...I haven't chimed in until now, but *I* was on a real VLCD, 800
cal/day for 10 months and lost 150 pounds. Get over yourself. Sorry we
didn't all group hug and sing kumbayah for you, but you got some decent and
sensible advice. The fact that you have a distorted body image and
unrealistic expectations is not a reflection on the treatment you've
received here.


I totally agree, Jenn, but you've got to admit that he isn't fitting in
here, so maybe it's a good idea for him to go hang out with sickies and
crazies who think he's normal.

Dally
244/181.5/170-ish

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Old February 12th, 2004, 04:05 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars
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Dally wrote:

I particularly liked the deft way you denigrated us as not having useful
information because we haven't won bike races.


i've won a bike race, but he isn't listening to me either.

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Old February 13th, 2004, 09:15 PM
determined
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"Gloria" wrote in message
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But wait !! I loved reading you . I like what you said about the way we
should eat plain foods . Simple but plain is a good thing , in fact I
KNOW I would be skinny if I ate YOUR WAY


Are you trying to reinforce vlcd_hell??? If you think what he's writing is
healthy and well-balanced, then you are nuts. This guy is not one to follow
for a healthy woe. I hope you realize that.


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Old February 15th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Gloria
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Default "Food for Fuel" vs. "Food is LOVE & Food is FUN"

Determined, YES I'm WRONG on this one hanging my head in shame I
shouldn't read something in part quickly and THAN post like that!

glo




 




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