An interesting recommendation from our pediatrician

"Reb" wrote in message . net...
Wow, the poor thing. That sounds like insulin resistance, alright. She is
getting rebound hypoglycemia, and that can definitely cause bad headaches.
The sugar will raise her blood sugar temporarily and thus prevent or cure
the headache, but of course in the long run it's making things worse.

That's the way it looks to us. The doctor suggested that she may have
a problem with lunch meat type preservatives and phenylalanine. That
reduces the list of what she can eat also. She's feeling a lot better
now (no more headaches). I figure she needs to lose around 20lbs.
She was 99lbs this morning. Luckily, I'm doing the low-carb thing
also which means we have the right foods around. Unfortunately, our
other kids are ultra thin like I was as a kid so we also have the
wrong foods around. :-) They don't need it either though.

Your doctor is wise. I think a moderate, low-glycemic, reduced-carb diet
would really help her.
Let us know how she does.

I think so too. We started tracking her weight this morning. We'll
see where it goes.

brian

(Bobo Bonobo®) wrote in message . com...
Every child who is getting fat should be put on a "low-glycemic,
reduced-carb diet," but to heck with the "moderate" part. The OP
should be ashamed of himself for letting her get fat in the first
place.

I'd say she needs to lose around 20lbs. Certainly not ready for maury
povich yet. We were also advised by her metabolic doctor not to
change her diet until we figured out what else was wrong with her
metabolism.

The collective pain of just the readers and posters on this NG
is by itself a major tragedy. Allowing a child to become obese is not
just neglect, it it outright abuse. If anyone should know that, it is
us.

My mother-in-law used to be uptight about my wife's weight when she
was a kid. She forced my wife to skip breakfast, then sent her to
school with a cambridge bar and a tab for lunch, then fed her a tv
dinner at night. This was when she was eight. To this day, my wife's
family defeats her weight loss every chance they get while criticizing
her about being fat. Just last weekend it was the same. Her aunt
heard that she was on a diet, got angry because "she made all these
potatos, who's going to eat them now?" In one breath they'll tell her
she needs to lose weight, then in the next, offer her a slice of cake
and get genuinely angry if she turns it down. So putting the kids on
a diet is a touchy subject for my wife. But we're doing it anyway
because we recognize the importance. My wife also doesn't want the
kids to go through what she went though. I think you're assuming that
my daughter is a lot heavier than she is.

brian
290/258/210
july 8, 2003

"brian lanning" wrote:
To this day, my wife's
family defeats her weight loss every chance they get while criticizing
her about being fat. Just last weekend it was the same.

It's funny you should say that, my mother is the same with me. Whenever
I'm there (I visit one weekend a month as she lives over 150 miles away
and I don't drive) she goes on and on at me about being fat, but at the
same time tries to undermine my diet by offering things she knows I
can't have.

--
Lexin
www.redrosepress.co.uk
www.livejournal.com/~lexin
LC since 9 June 2003
(300/263/182)

Lexin wrote:
|| "brian lanning" wrote:
||| To this day, my wife's
||| family defeats her weight loss every chance they get while
||| criticizing her about being fat. Just last weekend it was the same.
||
|| It's funny you should say that, my mother is the same with me.
|| Whenever I'm there (I visit one weekend a month as she lives over
|| 150 miles away and I don't drive) she goes on and on at me about
|| being fat, but at the same time tries to undermine my diet by
|| offering things she knows I can't have.
||
|| --
|| Lexin
|| www.redrosepress.co.uk
|| www.livejournal.com/~lexin
|| LC since 9 June 2003
|| (300/263/182)

Another guy in my dept quietly started Atkins about 6 weeks ago, he has lost
like 20 lbs and his Crohn's Disease has gone into remission, he looks 10 yrs
younger and his color is great and he told someone he 'he has a spring in
[his] step.'
there was a potluck this weekend and people kept offering him ice cream and
cake and they know now that he is on Atkins. He eats really healthy salads
with eggs and meat , cheese, stuff like that. They don't offer stuff to me
anymore but they need to stop offering it to him. He is kind of quiet . I
told them to enjoy their food and leave others to their's. then we all
laughed. but I was the one wearing the size medium scrubs (and pretty well I
might add) LOL
--
Lori
220/150 ( Challenge goal)/135
LC since 1/17/03
Sept Challenge 155/150
http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller
Back to Curves 6/30/03

In article ,
"Lexin" wrote:

"brian lanning" wrote:
To this day, my wife's
family defeats her weight loss every chance they get while criticizing
her about being fat. Just last weekend it was the same.

It's funny you should say that, my mother is the same with me. Whenever
I'm there (I visit one weekend a month as she lives over 150 miles away
and I don't drive) she goes on and on at me about being fat, but at the
same time tries to undermine my diet by offering things she knows I
can't have.

Hi Brian and Lexin. It certainly sounds like there's a bit of
manipulation and dysfunction going on here. To use Lexin's mom as the
example, it seems as though she's encouraging Lexin to overeat so the
mom can then belittle Lexin and cause feelings of inferiority. Mom feels
superior, is exerting a form of parental control over her child and
wants to keep that control. A truly loving and healthy relationship
should find the mom encouraging and assisting Lexin to do all Lexin can
do to attain better health for a longer life.

That the mom sabotages progress certainly seems to indicate to me that
there's a bit of insecurity and control issues going on. In my opinion,
Lexin would do well to distance himself from food interactions with mom.

Owen Lowe wrote in message ...
That the mom sabotages progress certainly seems to indicate to me that
there's a bit of insecurity and control issues going on. In my opinion,
Lexin would do well to distance himself from food interactions with mom.

Sounds great. But in my case, I know the inlaws are simply nuts. I
can go on and on about just her aunt:

Started smoking 30 years ago at the advice of her doctor to calm her
"nerves".

Now chain smokes and gets angry if you even suggest that it's harming
her health. You can hear her breathe from the next room.

She has neck problems that need surgery, but turns down surgery
whenever the grandparents offer to pay for it. The money isn't an
issue. Nor is the idea of surgery. Instead she runs around
complaining about neck pain, but does nothing to fix it.

She irons her bed sheets. (that's all i need to say here)

If we come over, she gets angry because she has to cook.

If we eat at a restaurant instead, she gets offended because we must
not like her cooking.

She refuses to throw anything out after the expiration date.
medications. food. I was once given a jar of jelly that had an
expiration date of 1996. This was last year. There was 1 teaspoon of
jelly left in the bottom. All liquid.

She has classic martyr syndrome. And it makes me want to kill her. I
avoid going over there as much as possible, but sometimes it's
unavoidable.

brian
290/258/210
july 8, 2003

"Owen Lowe" wrote:
That the mom sabotages progress certainly seems to indicate to me that
there's a bit of insecurity and control issues going on. In my
opinion,
Lexin would do well to distance himself from food interactions with
mom.

That's a thought: when I go up there, I do all the cooking because she's
very disabled. When I'm not there my brother (who currently lives with
her) cooks or she has Meals on Wheels. She tends to want to stand in
the kitchen to oversee me while I'm cooking, like I don't know what I'm
doing, and as she has a wheely-thing to help her around, she takes up
the space of two people. I think I'll take to persuading her to sit down
with a nice glass of wine and that'll solve two problems - I'll be able
to get on with cooking a meal in peace, and I won't have to put up with
her wibbling on about what else I could have to eat. Once I've served
up, she can make all the comments she likes because it'll be too late.
Though the last time I did that, she started trying to get me to do
things like finish her potatoes, which rather irritated me.

--
Lexin
www.redrosepress.co.uk
www.livejournal.com/~lexin
LC since 9 June 2003
(300/263/182)

in article , brian lanning at
wrote on 9/23/03 10:21 AM:

Owen Lowe wrote in message
...
That the mom sabotages progress certainly seems to indicate to me that
there's a bit of insecurity and control issues going on. In my opinion,
Lexin would do well to distance himself from food interactions with mom.

Sounds great. But in my case, I know the inlaws are simply nuts. I
can go on and on about just her aunt:

Started smoking 30 years ago at the advice of her doctor to calm her
"nerves".

Now chain smokes and gets angry if you even suggest that it's harming
her health. You can hear her breathe from the next room.

She has neck problems that need surgery, but turns down surgery
whenever the grandparents offer to pay for it. The money isn't an
issue. Nor is the idea of surgery. Instead she runs around
complaining about neck pain, but does nothing to fix it.

She irons her bed sheets. (that's all i need to say here)

If we come over, she gets angry because she has to cook.

If we eat at a restaurant instead, she gets offended because we must
not like her cooking.

She refuses to throw anything out after the expiration date.
medications. food. I was once given a jar of jelly that had an
expiration date of 1996. This was last year. There was 1 teaspoon of
jelly left in the bottom. All liquid.

She has classic martyr syndrome. And it makes me want to kill her. I
avoid going over there as much as possible, but sometimes it's
unavoidable.

brian
290/258/210
july 8, 2003
Her name isn't Patty is it?

bookalley wrote in message ...
I really resent a know-it- all who stands on a soapbox and blames parents
for "letting the kid get that way in the first place."

Of course you do.

But when some know-it-all from the sidelines starts spewing a plethera of
sanctimonious new-age guilt-speak, it is disgusting. Bryan, you should just
keep your mouth shut. YOU do not know what those parents have been through.
You don't know anything about the individual situation, and you don't know
what kind of damage your admonitions invoke.

When I see a fat mother at the mall with her fat kid, buying the fat
kid a big pretzel and a large Coke, I WANT to "damage" her.

I know a parent who went to
the extent of turning a teenager's doorknob inside out so that could could
be locked in her room to keep her from eating. She climbed out of a second
story window, fat and all, ran away and got pregnant.

I bet her parents let her get fat when she was a child. Probably
started in the first few years.

Your post is completely infuriating

I can assure you that it was intentionally infuriating.

Furthermore, I would guess that you are a responsibility-abdicating adult
who was or is fat yourself and blame YOUR problems on YOUR parents.

Was fat, 198, today weighed in at 154. Could stand to lose a few
more. Can't blame my fat on parents as bit didn't happen until after
I moved out. Totally my problem. I DO blame some of it on the USDA
though. I bought into the lower fat, higher starch is better for you.

Allie
fat mother of 3 almost adult children of healthy weight (23, 18, 16)

Good job. Funny that you are the one who got infuriated enough to
post what you posted, when it was obviously not people like you who I
was accusing. I wish your kids many years of health.

--Bryan, lead singer in the "intentionally infuriating" band, The
Bonobos
http://www.TheBonobos.com