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Old August 22nd, 2004, 07:29 AM
OH No My Tails Popped Out....
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Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet book
called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a t.v show
over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways and i'm
enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice pretty much says
stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it seems to be talking more
about Cola's etc , but where do things like sparkling spring water come into
this situation ??????

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form , okay for diets? is the
juice fine to drink ? of course i'm asking because i do like my sweet things
and i guess a coconut as nature intended would hopefully be fine to indulge
in through out the week , as i can pretty much make a coconut last from one
weeks shopping to the next , nipping a piece here and there.

TIA



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Old August 22nd, 2004, 12:48 PM
Annabel Smyth
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OH No My Tails Popped Out.... wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug
2004:

Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet book
called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a t.v show
over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways and i'm
enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice pretty much says
stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it seems to be talking more
about Cola's etc , but where do things like sparkling spring water come into
this situation ??????

The thing about colas is that they have added sugar, or, in diet form,
artificial sweetener. Fizzy water is fine, as long as it's plain water,
not flavoured (you really, really don't want to put those artificial
flavourings into your body, nor artificial sweetener, either).

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form , okay for diets?


Not really, as it contains a huge amount of saturated fat. Alas....

is the
juice fine to drink ? of course i'm asking because i do like my sweet things
and i guess a coconut as nature intended would hopefully be fine to indulge
in through out the week , as i can pretty much make a coconut last from one
weeks shopping to the next , nipping a piece here and there.

You would be better with fruit like nectarines or oranges, which don't
contain fat.
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Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

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Old August 22nd, 2004, 05:56 PM
OH No My Tails Popped Out....
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Annabel , thank you for your reply , i know feel i've learnt a little bit
more.

Best regards



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OH No My Tails Popped Out.... wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug
2004:

Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet book
called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a t.v show
over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways and i'm
enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice pretty much says
stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it seems to be talking more
about Cola's etc , but where do things like sparkling spring water come
into
this situation ??????

The thing about colas is that they have added sugar, or, in diet form,
artificial sweetener. Fizzy water is fine, as long as it's plain water,
not flavoured (you really, really don't want to put those artificial
flavourings into your body, nor artificial sweetener, either).

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form , okay for diets?


Not really, as it contains a huge amount of saturated fat. Alas....

is the
juice fine to drink ? of course i'm asking because i do like my sweet
things
and i guess a coconut as nature intended would hopefully be fine to
indulge
in through out the week , as i can pretty much make a coconut last from
one
weeks shopping to the next , nipping a piece here and there.

You would be better with fruit like nectarines or oranges, which don't
contain fat.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg




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Old August 22nd, 2004, 06:38 PM
D0RAJARR
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Subject: Help a couple of questions , advice welcomed.
From: "OH No My Tails Popped Out...."
Date: 8/22/04 2:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet book
called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a t.v show
over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways and i'm
enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice pretty much says
stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it seems to be talking more
about Cola's etc , but where do things like sparkling spring water come into
this situation ??????

Normally, sparkling water is low calorie and carbohydrate free/low. Depending
on which 'diet' you are actually following (a commercial one like Atkins or
Weight Watchers or South Beach or whatever you and your dr came up with) these
things sometimes matter. Personally, I am a diabetic and avoid all drinks
(fizzy or otherwise) that have any carbs or many calories. I have pretty much
taken to making water my main drink.


Also is coconut the fruit in its original form , okay for diets? is the
juice fine to drink ? of course i'm asking because i do like my sweet things
and i guess a coconut as nature intended would hopefully be fine to indulge
in through out the week , as i can pretty much make a coconut last from one
weeks shopping to the next , nipping a piece here and there.

My experience, sadly, is that most fruits are way too high in sugar/carbs.
Again, *I* am diabetic, and so that is the main reason why. If I had to, I'd
pick out a veggie before a fruit, but mainly because of sugar/carbs.

God, what I wouldn't do to eat an orange or a bananna!

I think you need to decide what 'diet' you are trying to follow, and then
decide accordingly what things are allowed, allowed in moderation, and
'banned'. Since I have no idea what you're trying to achieve or how you're
trying to achieve it, I can't really say more than this.


The USDA site has all the stuff you'd need to measure foods side-by-side to see
their nutritional content. Also the ADA and other sites like Fitday.com.

HTH.

--
DJ
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 12:54 AM
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On 22 Aug 2004 17:38:41 GMT, (D0RAJARR) wrote:

I think you need to decide what 'diet' you are trying to follow, and then
decide accordingly what things are allowed, allowed in moderation, and
'banned'. Since I have no idea what you're trying to achieve or how you're
trying to achieve it, I can't really say more than this.


Of course, conditions like diabetes affect what one can eat. But,
apart from this, I hate to think that one has to "ban" particular
foods from one's menu entirely in order to lose weight -- particularly
healthy things like fruit. It certainly worked for me to just limit
my intake of the things that are high in calories relative to
nutritional value. (I don't consider fruits in this category, but
rather things like cookies and pastries.) I have eaten just about
everything at some time or another in the course of losing over 120
lbs. I guess one thing I have pretty much "banned" is non-diet soda,
though I've had it a couple of times. It just seems like something I
can do without. But I will occasionally eat sweets and other treat
foods -- just infrequently and in moderation. I know some people have
foods that trigger eating binges, and perhaps it's better to avoid
those entirely. One thing that works for me is to avoid bringing
sweets and junk foods into my house, so that if I indulge I just do it
when eating out and then only in moderation. There's no temptation to
finish the whole package :-).

Chris
262/141/ (145-150)
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 03:52 AM
Dally
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OH No My Tails Popped Out.... wrote:

Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet book
called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a t.v show
over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways and i'm
enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice pretty much says
stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it seems to be talking more
about Cola's etc , but where do things like sparkling spring water come into
this situation ??????


Sparkling water is okay. There was some issue about carbonation being
bad for your bones a few years back, but I don't credit it with much of
a threat.

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form, okay for diets?


I saw Annibel answered this quite differently than Chris and I do. I
agree with Chris. Chris has lost 100 and I've lost 70 pounds. I'm not
sure about Annabel - my memory is that she lost a bunch low-fatting it
ten years ago and regained it all plus some. Now she's attempting to do
it again.

Low-fat isn't a great plan. A better plan is to find a calorie budget
that works for your life and eat a balanced diet, where "balanced" means
[very] roughly equal macronutrient ratios. A decent guess for a
starting place might be 45% carbs, 30% protein and 25% fat. You might
be startled at how full you feel on small portions of a diet like this.

But keeping control of your calories in the end means watching out for
food that cost more calories than they're worth. Fats should be there
but they have to displace other foods, typically carbs, and carbs should
be there but the ones you pick ought to be high in fiber and high in
phytonutrients and taste good and work in your recipes. Don't squander
your calorie budget on things you don't need.

So, to answer your question, there's a place for coconut in your diet,
but it will have to be in lieue of something else because you just can't
keep spending your calorie budget. Only you can decide if you prefer a
little bit of coconut over a lot of orange, for example. Coconut is
relatively high calorie: check www.fitday.com for an idea of calories
per portion.

is the juice fine to drink ?


I rarely drink juice anymore. Too many calories too quickly consumed.
I eat fruit whole and drink water and coffee.

of course i'm asking because i do like my sweet things
and i guess a coconut as nature intended would hopefully be fine to indulge
in through out the week , as i can pretty much make a coconut last from one
weeks shopping to the next , nipping a piece here and there.


Then go for it. I eat almonds this way, and for the sweet-tooth moments
I have a variety of choices: cottage cheese mixed with sweetened yogurt,
or a small square of really good dark chocoate, or a Balance bar. (I've
gotten small enough so my calorie budget requires I only get HALF a
Balance bar now, but time was I'd eat one of those for an evening snack.)

TIA


Mistress Krista has a great website that explains the whole eating thing
in laymen's language. I could send you to a half dozen other places
that tells you the truth about food, but she's good and worth bookmarking:

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html and look for the Eating tab.

Dally
244/175/168

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 04:52 AM
Dally
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Ignoramus3159 wrote:

In article , Dally wrote:

Low-fat isn't a great plan. A better plan is to find a calorie budget
that works for your life and eat a balanced diet, where "balanced" means
[very] roughly equal macronutrient ratios. A decent guess for a
starting place might be 45% carbs, 30% protein and 25% fat. You might
be startled at how full you feel on small portions of a diet like this.



Dally, you say that low fat is a bad plan, and then in the next
sentence suggest a diet with 25% of calories from fat, which is a low
fat diet.

It makes no sense.


I defined my terms. It's not my fault if you have "low-fat" defined
differently in your brain. 33% "/- 10% of each macronutrient is what I
call "balanced". It's not the "as little fat as humanly possible" that
typical idiot dieting includes. Ornish and MacDougal both aim for 10%
fat. Body for Life suggests 20% fat and the Zone Diet (which I've been
following more or less for two years) recommends 25% fat and is called
"a low carb" plan in mainstream literature. In practice any specific
day will range a bit around your goal percentages and I don't think it
matters all that much. At that point it comes down to recipe preferences.

Many of us have found the same thing with different terms: our portions
sizes are controllable and our bodies work best when we get roughly
balanced macronutrients. 33 +/-10=23-43% per macronutrient. Annabel
appears to be doing roughly 80% carbs. I think it's worth mentioning to
the OP that she's on the track that leads to low energy, deprivation,
food cravings, hunger, poor skin, low metabolism, muscle loss and
eventually giving all this up and regaining all the weight. Wouldn't it
be nice to skip that step and learn how to feed your body right the
first time?

My recent realization on low fat is that it works better for younger
people than for older people, since, as people age, their glycemic
control turns for the worse and low fat diets are not working as well
for people with poor glycemic control. This is not universal, as
various people deteriorate at very different rates, but generally, I
would expect it to be true.


My recent realization is that nearly all the people who followed low-fat
regained their weight. As far as I can tell NEITHER of us are involved
in large clinical trials, so your realizations are worth exactly as much
as my realizations, i.e., zilch.

Since Annabel is so adamant about continuing her diet of choice, I
decided to stop harping on her, but my expectation is that it won't
work in 4 or so months. She has a lot of willpower, so she might as
well prove you or me wrong. Who knows, bodies work in mysterious ways
and not every fat person is insulin resistant. There are studies to
this effect and they mention cohorts of insulin sensitive obese
subjects.


I think she'll lose weight if she eats less calories than she burns. I
just think she'll be miserable and inevitably regain it all if she does
it by forcing her body to be tired, hungry and deprived of essential
nutrients. I don't mean to harp at her, either, but I'll correct her
when she sends newbies down the yo-yo dieting path.

Dally

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:17 AM
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:54:37 GMT, Chris Braun
wrote:

Of course, conditions like diabetes affect what one can eat. But,
apart from this, I hate to think that one has to "ban" particular
foods from one's menu entirely in order to lose weight -- particularly
healthy things like fruit. It certainly worked for me to just limit
my intake of the things that are high in calories relative to
nutritional value. (I don't consider fruits in this category, but
rather things like cookies and pastries.) I have eaten just about
everything at some time or another in the course of losing over 120
lbs. I guess one thing I have pretty much "banned" is non-diet soda,
though I've had it a couple of times. It just seems like something I
can do without. But I will occasionally eat sweets and other treat
foods -- just infrequently and in moderation. I know some people have
foods that trigger eating binges, and perhaps it's better to avoid
those entirely. One thing that works for me is to avoid bringing
sweets and junk foods into my house, so that if I indulge I just do it
when eating out and then only in moderation. There's no temptation to
finish the whole package :-).


Your approach is similar to mine, Chris. I can't think of a single
food item that I would "ban" from my diet. What I try to avoid most
of all is completely empty calories - like putting sugar in tea or
coffee (I don't take it sweet anyway but if I did I would never use
sugar), or on the very rare occasions when I drink a cola I would
always choose the sugar free variety. After that come the foods I
regard with caution, which I know to be calorie dense - usually
meaning those high in refined carbs and fats together.
Experience has taught me that it isn't eating particular foods that
triggers my bingeing. The more I regard a food as forbidden, the more
I crave it and it can then assume a "desirablity factor" out of all
proportion, with the inevitable results.

janice
 




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