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Old April 12th, 2004, 03:25 PM
JC Der Koenig
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"Keith Hobman" wrote in message
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In alt.support.diet Ignoramus9723

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is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go towards
such an appearance.

Drink heavily, smoke a pack a day, do lots of heroin.



Keith Richards!


There is obviously a fine line between 'rugged look' and 'death warmed
over'. I think Richards is over the line.

:^)


I'm not so sure about the "warmed over" part.


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Old April 12th, 2004, 03:32 PM
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"Keith Hobman" wrote in message
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In article , "JC Der
Koenig" wrote:

"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
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In alt.support.diet Ignoramus9723
wrote:
is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go towards
such an appearance.

Drink heavily, smoke a pack a day, do lots of heroin.



Keith Richards!


There is obviously a fine line between 'rugged look' and 'death warmed
over'. I think Richards is over the line.

:^)


I'm not so sure about the "warmed over" part.


Word.

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Forth I creep, blindly stumbling
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Old April 12th, 2004, 03:48 PM
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In alt.support.diet JC Der Koenig wrote:
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In alt.support.diet Ignoramus9723

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is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go towards
such an appearance.


Drink heavily, smoke a pack a day, do lots of heroin.



Keith Richards!


Now that's "rugged" LOL

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Old April 12th, 2004, 04:03 PM
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Martin Shuster wrote in message

Well...I think the first step to looking "rugged," is to stop asking "how
to look rugged."

That just makes you seem like a big baby.

You need to lean out a big, have a large, square jaw, grow slight facial
hair (not heavy, or else you'll pass into "dirty" territory), and carry


If one has "decent" facial hair, not just some fluff, which will make
it worse.

Then, rose chicks don't help. Somebody made a right comment --
work out outside, get some redneck-like rugged skin. A couple
of scars will help too. Just remember -- once you get all that,
there's no easy way back.

Don't smile -- wear a grim look. Or, if you smile, get an iron tooth
or at least a tooth gap.

yourself like you have some "cajones."


Which for some reason reminds me of fitness models on stage -- why
do they carry their arms like they have some turpentine applied to
their armpits? Unnatural.
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Old April 12th, 2004, 06:54 PM
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"Larry Hodges" wrote in message ...
"John M. Williams" wrote in message
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"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing. So,

what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...


Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?


Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry

Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.

- bc
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Old April 12th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Keith Hobman
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Default How to acquire a "rugged look"?

In article , John M. Williams
wrote:

(bc) wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"John M. Williams" wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big

babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but

therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing. So,
:: what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go

towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...

Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?

Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry


Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.


I can't speak for Larry, and I'm sure there are plenty of opinions on
this, but the formal practice of placing hands in a nominal blocking
position during a kick are largely form over function. To the extent
that high kicks are practical (which is not a great extent), it's a
lot smarter to have your hands in a position of preparation for a
follow-up strike than to have them in an ineffective blocking
position.


True. If the combatant avoids the high kick they aren't going to strike to
the kicker's body. They are either going to strike the exposed groin or
take out the knee on the support leg.

--
Dawn's cold kiss calls me
Forth I creep, blindly stumbling
Joy: Morning workouts.
Hugh Beyer's 'Haiku On Returning To Weights'
  #27  
Old April 12th, 2004, 07:31 PM
John M. Williams
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(bc) wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"John M. Williams" wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing. So,
:: what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...

Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?


Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry


Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.


I can't speak for Larry, and I'm sure there are plenty of opinions on
this, but the formal practice of placing hands in a nominal blocking
position during a kick are largely form over function. To the extent
that high kicks are practical (which is not a great extent), it's a
lot smarter to have your hands in a position of preparation for a
follow-up strike than to have them in an ineffective blocking
position.
  #28  
Old April 12th, 2004, 08:57 PM
Larry Hodges
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"bc" wrote in message
om...
"Larry Hodges" wrote in message

...
"John M. Williams" wrote in

message
news
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big

babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but

therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing. So,

what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go

towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...

Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?


Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry


Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.

- bc


Interesting you noted that. On the jumping kick, that's pretty classical
for hand positions. But I would never use that in combat anyway. However,
I have changed my hand positions on the other kicks. My base style is also
TKD (Started out in the ITF in 1978, then switched to WTF in '81. Still
with WTF.), as well as a similar secondary background to yours. But in the
group of guys I spar with, groin is a target. So, as in the standing
sidekick, or even the roundhouse for that matter, my forward hand is there
for a several reasons. First, to cup my balls in the event of a groin
attack. Or even just place a fist over them. It also protects my
midsection against a counter kick during my kick. Secondly, as I go into my
kick, it telegraphs less since my arm simply drops down the front of my
body. Most guys swing their arm behind them and out of the way to set up
for their kick, but an experience fighter can pick that and possibly counter
before he can complete it. Thirdly, when my kick is complete, and I'm
coming back to my fighting stance, my hand is already in front of me, so
blocking a counter is easier. I simply bring my forward arm up to chin
height. You wouldn't think that's such a big deal, but when things are
happening really fast, you'd be surprised what a difference it can make.
Especially with a boxer or other punching intensive opponent.

-Larry


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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:04 PM
Larry Hodges
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"John M. Williams" wrote in message
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(bc) wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"John M. Williams" wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big

babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but

therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing.

So,
:: what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go

towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...

Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?

Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These

were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry


Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.


I can't speak for Larry, and I'm sure there are plenty of opinions on
this, but the formal practice of placing hands in a nominal blocking
position during a kick are largely form over function. To the extent
that high kicks are practical (which is not a great extent), it's a
lot smarter to have your hands in a position of preparation for a
follow-up strike than to have them in an ineffective blocking
position.


You pretty much spoke for me on this John. I pointed out the defensive
reasons for my hands in my post to bc. But I also have a much heavier
emphasis on punching / grabbing than most TKD guys. I'd say maybe 50% / 50%
on average kicking vs. punching. Of course, that will change based on my
opponent. With a boxer, I may kick more, with a kicker, box more to force
them to do battle with their weak points. The point is I do more punching
than the normal TKD guy. So, as I come out of my kick, I can roll right
into a hand combination much easier with my forward hand in this position.

-Larry


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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Larry Hodges
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"Keith Hobman" wrote in message
...
In article , John M. Williams
wrote:

(bc) wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"John M. Williams" wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Ignoramus9723 wrote:
:: Some men look "rugged". Some others look like they are big

babies. I
:: am not exactly sure what constitutes the difference exactly.
:: Obviously, the man needs to be in shape to look rugged, but

therei s
:: something beyond that that I am having difficulty capturing.

So,
:: what
:: is it that constitutes a "rugged look", and how would one go

towards
:: such an appearance.


I think you need to definite what you thing is 'rugged'.

That is defined as "not like Rob", as in Tinkerbelle...

Rob has posted his pics. Where are yours, Larry?

Fair enough...

This is me about three weeks ago:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Larry.jpg


The karate pics are from about 1992. Sorry...nothing newer. These

were
taken when I was teaching full time:

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/J...20Sidekick.jpg

http://maximizesoftware.com/images/R...use%20Kick.jpg

-Larry

Hi Larry,

I looked over your pics and I was curious about your arm and hand
positions on the kicks. They seem quite consistent, but in positions
I haven't seen while kicking. In what style of karate do you train?
I'm more familiar with Korean (TKD) and Chinese (AKKA, Kenpo) arts
than with Japanese or other styles.


I can't speak for Larry, and I'm sure there are plenty of opinions on
this, but the formal practice of placing hands in a nominal blocking
position during a kick are largely form over function. To the extent
that high kicks are practical (which is not a great extent), it's a
lot smarter to have your hands in a position of preparation for a
follow-up strike than to have them in an ineffective blocking
position.


True. If the combatant avoids the high kick they aren't going to strike to
the kicker's body. They are either going to strike the exposed groin or
take out the knee on the support leg.


Even though I'm a kicker, I'd never kick above midsection in the street,
minimizing exposure. But, kicking high is a blast in sparing. Nothing
quite like full contact and the feel of your foot smacking a buddy upside
the head . Kind of like when you hit that nice golf shot straight down
the fairway. Or hit the baseball just right and feel the crack of the ball
on the bat.

-Larry


 




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