Gastric Bypass

Lesanne! You continue to be my greatest inspiration!!!!

Eddie
Weight June05-359.0lbs
Current Weight-289.6lbs
Loss to date=69.4lbs
Goal Weight-180.0lbs

"lesanne" wrote in message ...
I have lost 200 and kept it off for nearly three years.

--
Leslie Arnim

"Debbie" wrote in message news:9_zAg.8795$zV6.6134@trnddc03...
Good idea. GP has not turned out to be the magic bullet everyone had hoped
and patients who did not make the necessary mental, lifestyle, and
attitude changes are gaining weight just as easily as before the surgery.

BTW, I believe you wouldn't qualify for the surgery because you need to
have a BMI of 40, or so I thought. I could be wrong, it's happened before


Can I ask what you started at and how much you weigh now?

I'm not the person you were replying to but I'm 5'5" and my highest
recorded weight was 317. I lost more than half that and have kept off
most of the weight for 3 years now. I use WW to keep from gaining it all
back as I've done in the past on other diets. With the flex points and
the ability to earn AP's I don't find the plan all that difficult to
follow. I can admit I'm not always faithful to the journaling but I don't
stray too far or too long.
--
the volleyballchick

You can have a BMI of 35-50 with co-morbities, i.e. High Blood Pressure,
sleep apnea and it helps if you have a documented five year history of
keeping it off. I was all high on it when I called and talked to a lady
about it and she said they do ppl my size all the time. But then when I went
to the websites I found ppl that were struggling to not gain 20-30 pds back
after 4 or 5 years (which they still lost signifant amounts). I don't know
anybody personally that has had it done though, so I don't know.

You've kept off 150 for 3 years? Aren't you hungry all the time? Is there
a lot of ppl in here who have lost like 75 pds and kept if off for years and
years?

thx volleyball chick

"Debbie" wrote in message
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I think I need lots more research before I jump into it. I wish I would
have seen that special.

Yeah, 205 is manageable if I'd just do it. LOL. I'd hate to die from
surgery when I could have done it if I'd tried a little harder.

Exactly. It's been on the news about hospital infections and medical
mistakes on the rise as well. Very scary. A friend of ours died from
intestinal surgery. It was a complication of an old gunshot wound that
caused a pursestring stoppage. It stopped food from passing through. It
got in infected and no antibiotic worked. He was only 43 yrs old.
Hospitals have to be the most dangerous places these days. ( I think
everyone is aware that the bacteria are becoming more resistant to
antibiotics every day. I am struggling like a dog to dump these last 30 lbs
and would never consider major surgery.

I just heard that dieters have a 95 % failure rate. Very discouraging.

I read something like that as well. And those who dump the pounds usually
end up putting them back on the News clip said. Well, since I haven't
reached my goal weight yet, I'll worry about it then. ) Actually I don't
have a problem keeping it off now that I'm on thyroid meds - it's getting
the damn weight off that's the problem.

Then
I see that Gastric Bypass patients may lose lots in the beginning, but
then if they don't diet they could gain it all back over time. Gosh,
neverending battle.

Yes. Such is life, but look at the alternative.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 160 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
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Originally Posted by lesanne

Debbie:
If a person is eating when they are not hungry already, this is not an advantage if you think about it logically. If you are overeating, you are almost certainly eating when not physiologically hungry. I also suggest you get help with whatever it is that causes you to reach for food when you are not hungry. --
Les
"Debbie" wrote in message news:rEyAg.10294$j9.3379@trnddc02...

I was wondering if you could *kindly* tell me what you have heard about
Gastric Bypass.



Thanks, Debbie

Hi- I'm new- but definitely not new at dieting since I've been overweight all of my life. I was interested in what you had to say because my doctor has been pushing me to have the surgery and I've thought about the lapband (as the lesser of the evils) but I totally agree with you --- if I can't deal with what is causing me to overeat all the time, how is surgery going to help??? A lady at work is on WW but just seems to follow it when she wants to. I guess I really need some support. thanks- graced

"graced" wrote in message
...

.......A lady at work is on WW
but just seems to follow it when she wants to. I guess I really need
some support. thanks- graced

If you don't make a dedicated effort to lose weight at WW you are throwing
your money away and wasting your time. Sticking to "portion control" seemed
to be the weakness of so many people I met there that year. As I said
above; they couldn't have just one apple turnover or 1 pork chop - they
would lose control and eat them all! (

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 159 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I just heard that dieters have a 95 % failure rate. Very discouraging. Then
I see that Gastric Bypass patients may lose lots in the beginning, but then
if they don't diet they could gain it all back over time. Gosh, neverending
battle.

It's interesting that smoking cessation has a similar failure rate.

Using the same statistic 1 in 20 dieters succeed. There are so many
dieters out there who know a lot less, and rely on crazy diets that
people here are bound to be in the right 5%

I saw a program on GB. One woman put on weight again after the op
despite only being able to eat a mouthful or two at a time. Before you
go ahead with the OP demand that you talk with a previous patient and
find out what they cook, how much food they can eat at a meal. How it
affected their life. Even if the OP is successful are the consequences
worth it?

Ray

do a search for less's posts, she is awesome, I started at 251.2, and have
some to go but am down 80 pounds, Lee
Debbie wrote in message
news:9_zAg.8795$zV6.6134@trnddc03...
Good idea. GP has not turned out to be the magic bullet everyone had
hoped
and patients who did not make the necessary mental, lifestyle, and
attitude changes are gaining weight just as easily as before the
surgery.

BTW, I believe you wouldn't qualify for the surgery because you need to
have a BMI of 40, or so I thought. I could be wrong, it's happened
before


Can I ask what you started at and how much you weigh now?

I'm not the person you were replying to but I'm 5'5" and my highest
recorded weight was 317. I lost more than half that and have kept off
most of the weight for 3 years now. I use WW to keep from gaining it all
back as I've done in the past on other diets. With the flex points and
the ability to earn AP's I don't find the plan all that difficult to
follow. I can admit I'm not always faithful to the journaling but I
don't
stray too far or too long.
--
the volleyballchick

You can have a BMI of 35-50 with co-morbities, i.e. High Blood Pressure,
sleep apnea and it helps if you have a documented five year history of
keeping it off. I was all high on it when I called and talked to a lady
about it and she said they do ppl my size all the time. But then when I
went
to the websites I found ppl that were struggling to not gain 20-30 pds
back
after 4 or 5 years (which they still lost signifant amounts). I don't know
anybody personally that has had it done though, so I don't know.

You've kept off 150 for 3 years? Aren't you hungry all the time? Is
there
a lot of ppl in here who have lost like 75 pds and kept if off for years
and
years?

thx volleyball chick

I don't even like people let alone crowds and I MUST have my meetings, go
for it, Lee
Debbie wrote in message
news:OsHAg.10374$j9.7031@trnddc02...
thx for the welcome, Gary. I've tried all kinds of diets too and WW is the
only one I've succeeded at. I guess I need to take the plunge and go to
meetings instead of at home alone trying to do it.

Debbie


"I started at 291 and I'm 5'8''...I've lost 69 lbs since December
21,..2005...I was at one time 333 lbs...I have tried every diet you can
imagine...For me it's been a lifetime of weight issues...I honestly
don't
know why I seem to have gotten a handle on it...It is my first attempt
at
WW...I don't believe that WW is any miracle...It teaches control and
helps
me to better understand my problems...Although I sometimes find the
meetings rather hokey I truly look forward to them...Being able to talk
to
others who suffer from weight issues is helpful...Welcome aboard...GG

define failure differently and you are home free, in my book, as long as you
don't give up you haven't failed, those occasional gains, or falls off the
wagon are merely learning experiences provided to you by the deity you
believe in to make you a better person, Lee
Debbie wrote in message
news:PlNAg.19$rd1.10@trnddc01...
I think I need lots more research before I jump into it. I wish I would
have
seen that special.

Yeah, 205 is manageable if I'd just do it. LOL. I'd hate to die from
surgery when I could have done it if I'd tried a little harder.

I just heard that dieters have a 95 % failure rate. Very discouraging.
Then
I see that Gastric Bypass patients may lose lots in the beginning, but
then
if they don't diet they could gain it all back over time. Gosh,
neverending
battle.

Debbie



There was a special on TV some time ago that showed some did put it back
on. It's major surgery with all the risks. 205 is not dangerously
obese.
Give WW another try.

LW
Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 160 lbs
Goal - 130lbs
Height 5'6"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

don't look at the big goal just look at the goal for this week, when you meet it then get another one, much easier to cope with, Lee
Debbie wrote in message news:7AHAg.6310$ee1.4210@trnddc06...
thx Lesanne. LOL. Just looking at what some of those ppl said they had to eat sounded like a deprivation diet to me! I don't want to not be able to eat *sweets* ever again. And they kept saying something about they couldn't have sugar either. I remember you from before, Lesanne. So you're not hungry and in a constant crappy mood cause you've cut so far back on your food intake? I think I could lose down to 160 without a problem, but I'd really like to be in the 130 range. So that's like 74 pds. I have only been at 130 a coupla times in my life (once during a divorce, and once when a teenager and once with diet pills and exercise), so I don't have a lot of confidence I can do it and sustain it. I think I can do it, just sustaining it is my worry.

Thanks again for examples. That's what I wanted to hear.


Debbie

Debbie:
I will go you one better than that and tell you what I have seen personally with gastric bypass. The most recent example was a woman who has been a dear friend of mine for years. She has battled her weight for as long as I have known her. The selling point for GBS as opposed to general lifestyle change is that it supposedly reduces the hunger people feel, and increases the feeling of fullness people get after eating smaller portions of food.
If a person is eating when they are not hungry already, this is not an advantage if you think about it logically. If you are overeating, you are almost certainly eating when not physiologically hungry. GBS is like cutting off both your hands to quit smoking. It is only effective if it stops the smoking long enough for a person to get over the bad cravings before they figure out how to smoke using their feet. If you remove the ability to overeat from a person who eats for emotional reasons, that person can either deal with the emotional reasons or find other ways to overeat. My friend is sucking on some high calorie drink or other all the time, has lost a total of about 30 pounds in the last year, and is still morbidly obese. The other two people I personally know who had GBS ? One is an alcoholic (thin and very very sick) the other is near a normal weight and has gone through some major lifestyle change and therapy similar to what I did to lose the 200 pounds I lost WITHOUT surgery. He eats pretty much like I do. I would suggest getting the diet you will have to follow after the surgery and going on that for a while. It is what you will have to do anyway. Then after four or five months on that decide if you want to permanently damage your body. I also suggest you get help with whatever it is that causes you to reach for food when you are not hungry. I know, I am not asking you to do something "easy". Those people pushing GBS aren't either, they are just salespeople.

--
Les

Debbie wrote:
LOL. Me too, Eddie!

Debbie

Nurses in the thoractic care ICU call the gastric bypass syndrome GBGB
- Gastric Bypass Gone Bad. There are so many people who have
complications from it, they have a name for the syndrome. Personally,
I think that unless you are dying, there is no need for GBS. You *can*
lose weight and keep it off but it takes work and dedication. And if
you do GBS, you have to watch what you eat for the rest of your life
anyway, so what does it really gain you? To me it seems the risks far
outweigh the benefits for 99.9% of the people who qualify for it.

WW is the plan I have found that works the best *for me*. It still
takes work, but it's a lifestyle change and not a quick fix. I like
that about the program.

-L.