Food & Exercise -- 8/16/2004

jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood your introductory post. Since you
are trying to reduce caloric intake overall, how are you tracking it?

By making a note of what I eat, cutting out all bread- or cake-based
snacks (trying to cut out snacks altogether, but I do allow a piece of
fruit or a very small piece of cheese if I feel I need it), and
generally trying to eat less overall.

It doesn't, as it is baked at the supermarket and wrapped in
cellophane, not pre-sliced, pre-wrapped, pre-digested..... I was
trying to straighten up the loaf (why is my mother the only person I
who can cut a loaf straight?).... I imagine it is high-fibre,
though.

Uh, you might want to check on it.

It's only about the healthiest bread you can eat in this country, is
all..... except perhaps the multiseed, which is my absolute favourite,
but difficult to get.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

On 8/18/2004 9:55 AM, Annabel Smyth wrote:
jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood your introductory post. Since you
are trying to reduce caloric intake overall, how are you tracking it?


By making a note of what I eat, cutting out all bread- or cake-based
snacks (trying to cut out snacks altogether, but I do allow a piece of
fruit or a very small piece of cheese if I feel I need it), and
generally trying to eat less overall.

Ah, so you are not actually counting anything, just writing it down.


It doesn't, as it is baked at the supermarket and wrapped in
cellophane, not pre-sliced, pre-wrapped, pre-digested..... I was
trying to straighten up the loaf (why is my mother the only person I
who can cut a loaf straight?).... I imagine it is high-fibre, though.


Uh, you might want to check on it.


It's only about the healthiest bread you can eat in this country, is
all..... except perhaps the multiseed, which is my absolute favourite,
but difficult to get.

OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are
doing this to try to improve your health and wellbeing. Nevermind.

--
jmk in NC

jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

Ah, so you are not actually counting anything, just writing it down.


Not at the moment; I must look up my fat content table that I have
somewhere. As usual, it's pretty useless since it talks about
pre-prepared food, which is not something I eat all that much of.

Anyway, I've lost 2 kg so far (4.5 lbs), so I must be doing something
right!

OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are
doing this to try to improve your health and wellbeing. Nevermind.

Well, I know full well that it is extremely healthy - and delicious!
I've eaten it most of my life. I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept that
complex carbohydrates, such as belong in wholegrain bread, are a part of
one's diet that should be omitted, unless one happens to be allergic to
wheat or wheat products (or gluten).
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

On 8/18/2004 10:57 AM, Annabel Smyth wrote:
jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are
doing this to try to improve your health and wellbeing. Nevermind.

Well, I know full well that it is extremely healthy - and delicious!
I've eaten it most of my life. I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept that
complex carbohydrates, such as belong in wholegrain bread, are a part of
one's diet that should be omitted, unless one happens to be allergic to
wheat or wheat products (or gluten).

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that
it is what you think that it is.

--
jmk in NC

jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that
it is what you think that it is.

Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread
is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA?
http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf
(which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that
it is what you think that it is.

Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread
is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA?
http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf
(which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

On 8/18/2004 12:47 PM, Annabel Smyth wrote:
jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm
that it is what you think that it is.

Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread
is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA?
http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf
(which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").

Firstly, I stated previously that I am not familiar with that product.
Secondly, that's like saying wheat bread is wheat bread is wheat bread.
It isn't. The calories, fiber, etc. vary wildly and wheat could mean
from refined wheat from some amount of whole wheat or from 100% whole
wheat. Finally, this site contains no nutritional information
whatsoever. My point was that *if* you are trying to make a permanent
change to your WOE, having this information would be useful.

Clearly you don't want to discuss this so I will drop it at this point.

--
jmk in NC

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
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jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that
it is what you think that it is.

Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread
is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA?
http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf
(which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg


I was curious as to what the caloric/nutritional value was on this bread but
I wasn't able to find it on their site. Is it listed on the wrapper?

I assume this is not the brand you use since it's sliced and you indicated
yours was not. I did run across this article and it touches on some of the
problems we all encounter when buying foods we believe are good for us.
http://tinyurl.com/57cze

We have granary (brown bread with added wholegrains) bread here but it has
the standard food label so I can compare the ingredients and nutritional
information between the brands before I purchase it. If it's sold in a
bakery they must have the nutritional information available to the consumer.
The ingredients vary from brand to brand.

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:

I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted.
I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and
amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that
it is what you think that it is.

Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread
is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA?
http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf
(which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg


I was curious as to what the caloric/nutritional value was on this bread but
I wasn't able to find it on their site. Is it listed on the wrapper?

I assume this is not the brand you use since it's sliced and you indicated
yours was not. I did run across this article and it touches on some of the
problems we all encounter when buying foods we believe are good for us.
http://tinyurl.com/57cze

We have granary (brown bread with added wholegrains) bread here but it has
the standard food label so I can compare the ingredients and nutritional
information between the brands before I purchase it. If it's sold in a
bakery they must have the nutritional information available to the consumer.
The ingredients vary from brand to brand.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:39:36 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004:

I have a question about this. In your introduction you stated that you
were cutting back on carbs. Is that still your plan?

Not cutting *out* carbs, as in Atkins, but more trying to eat less all
round, especially of fat and carbohydrates.

What are you replacing the carbohydrates with? Fat? Protein?

Er, neither - I want to lower the amount of energy I take in, not
increase it!

Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is
that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber does
it have per slice?

No idea how much fibre, but it is wholewheat bread with added grains of
wheat,
I had a quick look on the diet software I use, and basic granary bread
is given (per 100g) as 235 calories, 46.3 carbs, 2.7 fat, 9.3 protein
and 4.3 fibre.
Personally, I dislike granary bread, both the flavour and the way the
grains hurt my teeth.

janice