Atkins Diet

"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
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Actually, it's the opposite for me. As soon as low-carb became "the
norm", I stopped doing it grin.

Ahhhh, so, you're among these people who just love to go against the trend,
just for kick of not being like others? I can relate to that, like when I
told my boss I was bisexual just because I knew he was homophobic. Then,
just being willingly in opposition to the norm gives enough momentum to do
whatever you want. Though one might wonder if always going against the norm
is really a way to experience true freedom. Besides, going daringly enough
against the norm usually gains you enough popularity to socialize easily
enough...
But the problem with most people and peer presure is that peers usually do
not even have to make it felt. Actually, in most cases, peers do not really
care one way or another. Peer presure is mostly self inflicted, because
*you* feel *you* do not fit unless you do as others - reguardless of what
others actually think. Yes, it's stupid and untrue. But like paranoia, the
fact that it's all in your head doesn't change how you experience it.

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 at 20:21:07, Lictor
wrote:
Actually,
snapping and bingeing is probably what ends most unsuccessful diets.


Which is a pity, really. Far more to the point, if that happens, to
work out *why* it happened, and to accept that one's goal might take
another week to reach.... And then to spend a few days eating more
carefully.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 at 20:21:07, Lictor
wrote:
Actually,
snapping and bingeing is probably what ends most unsuccessful diets.


Which is a pity, really. Far more to the point, if that happens, to
work out *why* it happened, and to accept that one's goal might take
another week to reach.... And then to spend a few days eating more
carefully.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

Lictor wrote:
"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
...
Actually, it's the opposite for me. As soon as low-carb became "the
norm", I stopped doing it grin.

Ahhhh, so, you're among these people who just love to go against the trend,
just for kick of not being like others?

Not at all... it's just coincidence. I tried a certain way of eating
*when I needed it*, independent of others persuasion, and it just
*happened* to be different from other people's.

k

Lictor wrote:
"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
...
Actually, it's the opposite for me. As soon as low-carb became "the
norm", I stopped doing it grin.

Ahhhh, so, you're among these people who just love to go against the trend,
just for kick of not being like others?

Not at all... it's just coincidence. I tried a certain way of eating
*when I needed it*, independent of others persuasion, and it just
*happened* to be different from other people's.

k

Lictor wrote:
"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
...
Actually, it's the opposite for me. As soon as low-carb became "the
norm", I stopped doing it grin.

Ahhhh, so, you're among these people who just love to go against the trend,
just for kick of not being like others?

Not at all... it's just coincidence. I tried a certain way of eating
*when I needed it*, independent of others persuasion, and it just
*happened* to be different from other people's.

k

Lictor wrote:
Why? What's so special in a former fat person vs a normal person?

With all due respect, while you do communicate in English very fluently,
and are obviously very intelligent, there's a bigger picture you seem to
be missing. I see it in your responses to both ig's and my posts.

What Ignoramus was saying is that a former fat person needs to more or
less keep on doing the same thing that enabled them to lose the weight.
To just say "oh I got my number now", and go back to their *old habits*,
which *made them fat* is quite stupid.

It does not mean they even HAVE TO stick to that diet for the rest of
their lives. Just that they've now learned how to not get fat again.
Any changes one makes to their life have to be permanent. As in, never
again back to the old way, even if the changes vary from time to time.

Lictor wrote:
Why? What's so special in a former fat person vs a normal person?

With all due respect, while you do communicate in English very fluently,
and are obviously very intelligent, there's a bigger picture you seem to
be missing. I see it in your responses to both ig's and my posts.

What Ignoramus was saying is that a former fat person needs to more or
less keep on doing the same thing that enabled them to lose the weight.
To just say "oh I got my number now", and go back to their *old habits*,
which *made them fat* is quite stupid.

It does not mean they even HAVE TO stick to that diet for the rest of
their lives. Just that they've now learned how to not get fat again.
Any changes one makes to their life have to be permanent. As in, never
again back to the old way, even if the changes vary from time to time.

Lictor wrote:
Why? What's so special in a former fat person vs a normal person?

With all due respect, while you do communicate in English very fluently,
and are obviously very intelligent, there's a bigger picture you seem to
be missing. I see it in your responses to both ig's and my posts.

What Ignoramus was saying is that a former fat person needs to more or
less keep on doing the same thing that enabled them to lose the weight.
To just say "oh I got my number now", and go back to their *old habits*,
which *made them fat* is quite stupid.

It does not mean they even HAVE TO stick to that diet for the rest of
their lives. Just that they've now learned how to not get fat again.
Any changes one makes to their life have to be permanent. As in, never
again back to the old way, even if the changes vary from time to time.

"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
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Yes, that's conditionning. The mind is a very powerful thing.

It also can convince people that cultural traditions are more important
than well-being. Some people, believe it or not, are not on a "weird
diet" for the sake of simply getting their number on a scale and losing
weight, some people actually do have biological issues with certain
types of ingredients.

That would be true if people actually *needed* to be on that weird diet.
However, I believe many people are more ready to get convinced that they
have some "biological issue" than to admit they were just eating way too
much. I mean, our cultural way of eating has remained the same for decades,
yet mass obesity is a very recent phenomenon. The only change to our way of
eating has been that a) people have been listening to what dietetian have
told them about the proper way of eating b) we eat more and more American
style food. And the "logical" conclusion of all this is that our way of
eating is getting us that and that we should listen to dietitian and eat
what they tell us to eat or that we should follow some diet imported from
the USA. Doesn't that sound slightly insane to you?
Even in the case of the USA, your traditionnal way of eating hasn't caused
mass obesity until recently. Yet, dietitians and diet pros alike seem
convinced your traditionnal cuisine is evil and that you should move further
from it.
To me, it seems the more we listen to dietitians and diet experts, the
fatter we get. Maybe it's not the food that is wrong, it's how we eat it and
how much of it we eat.

If one wants to limit their friends to "only those whose bodies can
tolerate the same things I can", well, then that's their loss.

I don't think we made some evolutionnary leap in the past 20 years (start of
mass obesity here) that caused one fourth of the population to suddenly
become intolerrant to some food that the whole population used to be able to
eat.

I have
friends who eat all kinds of stuff, and I have eaten *with* them, and
abstained from food around them, as they have around me (sometimes they
are simply NOT HUNGRY .. what am I going to do? say, "I don't care if
you're about to barf if you eat another bite, show me some cultural
savvy and EAT IT!?")

Not being hungry is already covered for Most people will eat lightly
before a meeting in order to actually be hungry. And if you're still not
hungry, all that is required of you is to *taste* the food, you're not asked
to eat ten pounds of it.

I happen to have friends who are on diets with everything from vegan to
indian, to kosher to swine on a spit, to low-carb, to high-carb, and
yet, we all manage to co-exist at the same get-togethers where food is
served. Go figure.

Same here, except proper manners call for the guest to adapt, not for the
host. So, I eat vegan when I visit vegans, I eat kosher when I visit Jews
and if there were any low carb people in this country, I would eat low carb
too. But, when I have Jew friends at home, I'm not expected to cook kosher
for them - I will just make my regular food and avoid bathing the whole meal
in pork fat. Same with vegans, I will cook whatever I cook, and they will
eat whatever they can eat; I will usually cook fish if they eat fish,
otherwise they will just look at us carnivores eating our meat. I might go
as far as cooking tofu if they're really some special guests, like they
travelled half the world to visit. But for them to bring them own meal would
be extremelly rude.
If you can't tolerate some food, you just don't eat it and eat more of
something else. If your tolerance to food is so low that you can't eat
anything from a normal meal, either you have a diet designed to keep you
away from normal people, or you have a rare medical condition that would not
make it safe for you to eat with normal people anyway for fear of food
contamination...