NYNY - Fred - Nov 5 WI

My leader has had her weight (110 lbs) off since 1969. When she introduces
herself, she says hi my name is Wilma and my weight loss is 110 lbs and my
anniversary was 34 years May 12th. She is an inspiration. The way she puts
it she could not wait to maintain her goal weight longer that she was
overweight, she has not surpassed her goal as she is 68 years old.

Debbie

"Lesanne" wrote in message
hlink.net...
gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our weighers has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost 40 pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a pound for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back down again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is it I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I think for me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to journal and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of 159's in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a while when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
...
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing styles and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since 1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up some this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you may be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Funny you should say that. I have never been very sugar sensitive. These
days however I can really tell when I have had some. I get a shaky kind of
buzz from it, if my stomach is empty. If I have a sliver of pie or
something as an end to a meal (like about a third of a traditional sized
slice) I don't notice a problem, but let me toss a couple of those little
meringue bombs in there on an empty stomach and I have to redirect myself
outside for a few hours until the munchies leave again.

The really odd thing is that I have some caramels that are exactly an ounce.
They have a few nuts in em. I can eat one of those and it sits in there
real nice and quiet, satisfies the sweet urge and doesn't call for more.
Got to be the nuts. I have a feeling that active normal weight people have
hair trigger blood sugar responses.

Great bike ride. It is supposed to be mid 70's here today, ah cool.

My trusty home scale says 158 this morning, a new low. I am going to go to
my meeting and see if I can get an official one five. Probably can, mine is
usually only half a pound off theirs.
"Fred" wrote in message
...
Sounds like a reasonable way to go. I will have to finish off the 20
or so tubs of Miss Meringues (G) and then start with your plan!!!!

I don't have any problems believing that spurting the blood sugar
level might make one hungry when it drops back down as it will.

And maybe being at a lighter weight, the effects are more profound -
blood sugar spiking easier with less places to be used and hitting the
brain faster.

I did work in a 27 mile bike ride this afternoon and with the chilly
temps (low 40's) I burned calories biking and staying warm! That is
one problem with sush - other than the miso soup and green tea, there
is not much in the way of HOT food entering the body to rewarm it (G)

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I made up a little set of rules for me. If I am over 160, I journal.
Usually just writing it down brings me back down to 159 something within
a
day or two, even if I don't calculate the points all that strict, or even
at
all. Just writing it down seems to do it. I got rid of my miss M's
because
they seemed to be making me hungry? Go figure. I noticed that about an
hour after I ate a couple of em I would be very very hungry. And wanting
sweets. I had a whole week there before halloween madness struck where I
was dangling around 159 - 158. I am getting back there now, finally.
This
past week was 160 161. So I wrote.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it can be done. I just need to keep the focus on what I have
gained in LOSING.

I do the fruit thing as my mid morning/afternoon snacks. After dinner
seems to be the worst. For months there I did not have a problem but
now rummaging for junk is "compelling." Up/down...... the exercise is
the saving grace.

I need to refocus. I think I should do what you are suggesting - back
to Journaling to just see what I'm eating might be able to restore the
focus.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our weighers has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost 40
pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a pound
for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back down
again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is it I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I think
for
me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to journal
and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of 159's in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a while
when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing styles and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since 1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up some
this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you may
be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

I have been wondering about this. I had that little blip around halloween.
Don't you suppose that those things are going to be part of life now? I
don't mean that we will Pig Out occationally, just have times when we
legitimately eat enough to gain a pound or two, and then catch it and go
back down? It seems to me that when I have a couple of bigger eating days,
the scale response fairly quickly and I go back to the journal..etc. The
FIRST day or so back is hard, then it is easy again until I think I am doing
great (like this morning) and plan on going somewhere interesting to eat
again. .


"Fred" wrote in message
...
I would like it to be supported by a consistent eating pattern.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:45 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:21:03 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am down
a bit, again.

Down is good, and you're still under goal, so well done :-)

Maybe that is it - lower body mass - more impact from sugar. Maybe I
should try the protein/fat/sugar mix that you found with the caramels
with nuts.

Good luck getting that 15 value. I have been officially under 160
twice, I think. .... No - four times. If that is what you mean by
"an official one five." But it has now been a few weeks.

41F here this morning - high's expected in the low 50's, if that.
Today will be a shorter walk. Hopefully, something more tomorrow.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:35:24 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Funny you should say that. I have never been very sugar sensitive. These
days however I can really tell when I have had some. I get a shaky kind of
buzz from it, if my stomach is empty. If I have a sliver of pie or
something as an end to a meal (like about a third of a traditional sized
slice) I don't notice a problem, but let me toss a couple of those little
meringue bombs in there on an empty stomach and I have to redirect myself
outside for a few hours until the munchies leave again.

The really odd thing is that I have some caramels that are exactly an ounce.
They have a few nuts in em. I can eat one of those and it sits in there
real nice and quiet, satisfies the sweet urge and doesn't call for more.
Got to be the nuts. I have a feeling that active normal weight people have
hair trigger blood sugar responses.

Great bike ride. It is supposed to be mid 70's here today, ah cool.

My trusty home scale says 158 this morning, a new low. I am going to go to
my meeting and see if I can get an official one five. Probably can, mine is
usually only half a pound off theirs.
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like a reasonable way to go. I will have to finish off the 20
or so tubs of Miss Meringues (G) and then start with your plan!!!!

I don't have any problems believing that spurting the blood sugar
level might make one hungry when it drops back down as it will.

And maybe being at a lighter weight, the effects are more profound -
blood sugar spiking easier with less places to be used and hitting the
brain faster.

I did work in a 27 mile bike ride this afternoon and with the chilly
temps (low 40's) I burned calories biking and staying warm! That is
one problem with sush - other than the miso soup and green tea, there
is not much in the way of HOT food entering the body to rewarm it (G)

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I made up a little set of rules for me. If I am over 160, I journal.
Usually just writing it down brings me back down to 159 something within
a
day or two, even if I don't calculate the points all that strict, or even
at
all. Just writing it down seems to do it. I got rid of my miss M's
because
they seemed to be making me hungry? Go figure. I noticed that about an
hour after I ate a couple of em I would be very very hungry. And wanting
sweets. I had a whole week there before halloween madness struck where I
was dangling around 159 - 158. I am getting back there now, finally.
This
past week was 160 161. So I wrote.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it can be done. I just need to keep the focus on what I have
gained in LOSING.

I do the fruit thing as my mid morning/afternoon snacks. After dinner
seems to be the worst. For months there I did not have a problem but
now rummaging for junk is "compelling." Up/down...... the exercise is
the saving grace.

I need to refocus. I think I should do what you are suggesting - back
to Journaling to just see what I'm eating might be able to restore the
focus.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our weighers has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost 40
pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a pound
for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back down
again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is it I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I think
for
me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to journal
and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of 159's in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a while
when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing styles and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since 1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up some
this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you may
be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Yes, you are right. And I agree, we certainly should not place
perjorative terms on the occasional GRAND DINNER. I think some up and
some down is natural. Not only just based on the weight of the food
and water but on a bit of real gain and real loss that occurs
naturally during the course of a week or month.

I think WW's Maintenance book does suggest picking a TRIGGER value and
working harder when one hits or definitely passes it. The issue could
be the absense of, again, what I term the SWITCH. That passion that
suddenly said - TIME. Join WW. It is not always present - at least,
I'm not sure that it is.

What I need to do is accept that and not be unnecessarily paranoid
that it will all come back. It is just I can remember how easy it WAS
(I hope) to just say: "At this point, another bowl of ice cream will
not make any difference - it is a lost cause."

Thanks for continuing this discussion

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:38:23 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have been wondering about this. I had that little blip around halloween.
Don't you suppose that those things are going to be part of life now? I
don't mean that we will Pig Out occationally, just have times when we
legitimately eat enough to gain a pound or two, and then catch it and go
back down? It seems to me that when I have a couple of bigger eating days,
the scale response fairly quickly and I go back to the journal..etc. The
FIRST day or so back is hard, then it is easy again until I think I am doing
great (like this morning) and plan on going somewhere interesting to eat
again. .


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I would like it to be supported by a consistent eating pattern.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:45 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:21:03 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am down
a bit, again.

Down is good, and you're still under goal, so well done :-)

Yeah, I want the official one five. My weight at WW was 160 on the nose.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Maybe that is it - lower body mass - more impact from sugar. Maybe I
should try the protein/fat/sugar mix that you found with the caramels
with nuts.

Good luck getting that 15 value. I have been officially under 160
twice, I think. .... No - four times. If that is what you mean by
"an official one five." But it has now been a few weeks.

41F here this morning - high's expected in the low 50's, if that.
Today will be a shorter walk. Hopefully, something more tomorrow.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:35:24 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Funny you should say that. I have never been very sugar sensitive.
These
days however I can really tell when I have had some. I get a shaky kind
of
buzz from it, if my stomach is empty. If I have a sliver of pie or
something as an end to a meal (like about a third of a traditional sized
slice) I don't notice a problem, but let me toss a couple of those little
meringue bombs in there on an empty stomach and I have to redirect myself
outside for a few hours until the munchies leave again.

The really odd thing is that I have some caramels that are exactly an
ounce.
They have a few nuts in em. I can eat one of those and it sits in there
real nice and quiet, satisfies the sweet urge and doesn't call for more.
Got to be the nuts. I have a feeling that active normal weight people
have
hair trigger blood sugar responses.

Great bike ride. It is supposed to be mid 70's here today, ah cool.

My trusty home scale says 158 this morning, a new low. I am going to go
to
my meeting and see if I can get an official one five. Probably can, mine
is
usually only half a pound off theirs.
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like a reasonable way to go. I will have to finish off the 20
or so tubs of Miss Meringues (G) and then start with your plan!!!!

I don't have any problems believing that spurting the blood sugar
level might make one hungry when it drops back down as it will.

And maybe being at a lighter weight, the effects are more profound -
blood sugar spiking easier with less places to be used and hitting the
brain faster.

I did work in a 27 mile bike ride this afternoon and with the chilly
temps (low 40's) I burned calories biking and staying warm! That is
one problem with sush - other than the miso soup and green tea, there
is not much in the way of HOT food entering the body to rewarm it (G)

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I made up a little set of rules for me. If I am over 160, I journal.
Usually just writing it down brings me back down to 159 something
within
a
day or two, even if I don't calculate the points all that strict, or
even
at
all. Just writing it down seems to do it. I got rid of my miss M's
because
they seemed to be making me hungry? Go figure. I noticed that about
an
hour after I ate a couple of em I would be very very hungry. And
wanting
sweets. I had a whole week there before halloween madness struck
where I
was dangling around 159 - 158. I am getting back there now, finally.
This
past week was 160 161. So I wrote.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it can be done. I just need to keep the focus on what I
have
gained in LOSING.

I do the fruit thing as my mid morning/afternoon snacks. After
dinner
seems to be the worst. For months there I did not have a problem
but
now rummaging for junk is "compelling." Up/down...... the exercise
is
the saving grace.

I need to refocus. I think I should do what you are suggesting -
back
to Journaling to just see what I'm eating might be able to restore
the
focus.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our weighers
has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost 40
pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a pound
for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back down
again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is it
I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I think
for
me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to
journal
and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of 159's
in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a
while
when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing styles
and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since 1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up some
this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you
may
be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I
am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

This discussion plays right into what I have had on my mind for quite a bit
now. I have lost weight numerous times. Never to this point. The last
time I lost was while I was still working at the middle school. I got to
200 pounds, decided that it was "perfect" and as good as I could expect with
my history of extreme obesity, damaged metabolism, yada yada yada yada. I
maintained the 200 for quite a while, at least 6 or 7 months, then somehow
went off into lala land, ending up at the 247 spot that I was at when I
rejoined Feb 02. I did have to quit during that time to take care of Ma and
the stress was an excuse. When I rejoined I had been reading that book
"changing for good" and had also been doing some research that seemed to say
that yo yo dieting was not a predictor of failure at new diets. So I
decided to try something new. Decided to actually do all the suggested
stuff that comes along with WW. Made a storyboard, etc. Committed to
talking it over with my leader when I wanted to quit. I had a real bad
sticking point around 180 and again around 175, but from there it just
seemed to cruise on down. I have a positive Horror of the Ephemeral
Whatever taking me over again and having it creep back up. At the same
time, it seems kind of not fair to have to journal every day the rest of my
life. The trigger number seems a great compromise. When I begin to journal
it is usually only 3 or 4 days before I am back down where I was before
hitting the trigger. And my trigger has crept down a bit. It was 162, now
it is 161. I think this is the only realistic way for me to expect to stay
here.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Yes, you are right. And I agree, we certainly should not place
perjorative terms on the occasional GRAND DINNER. I think some up and
some down is natural. Not only just based on the weight of the food
and water but on a bit of real gain and real loss that occurs
naturally during the course of a week or month.

I think WW's Maintenance book does suggest picking a TRIGGER value and
working harder when one hits or definitely passes it. The issue could
be the absense of, again, what I term the SWITCH. That passion that
suddenly said - TIME. Join WW. It is not always present - at least,
I'm not sure that it is.

What I need to do is accept that and not be unnecessarily paranoid
that it will all come back. It is just I can remember how easy it WAS
(I hope) to just say: "At this point, another bowl of ice cream will
not make any difference - it is a lost cause."

Thanks for continuing this discussion

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:38:23 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have been wondering about this. I had that little blip around
halloween.
Don't you suppose that those things are going to be part of life now? I
don't mean that we will Pig Out occationally, just have times when we
legitimately eat enough to gain a pound or two, and then catch it and go
back down? It seems to me that when I have a couple of bigger eating
days,
the scale response fairly quickly and I go back to the journal..etc. The
FIRST day or so back is hard, then it is easy again until I think I am
doing
great (like this morning) and plan on going somewhere interesting to eat
again. .


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I would like it to be supported by a consistent eating pattern.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:45 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:21:03 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am
down
a bit, again.

Down is good, and you're still under goal, so well done :-)

Sorry that you missed the magic 15X.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (G)

Next week will be sooner enough and you will make it. Good luck

By the way, while dsl/cable will bring things faster, you still have
to read them at "eye" speed and reply at "finger" speed (G)

Just returned from my 4 mile walk around the lake. Could not muster
the wherewithall for another bike ride after sorting out three large
walkin closets with lots of 3-story basement to second story walks.
Sorting is probably the wrong word. Some stuff was tossed but most is
now on the floor of the guest room waiting for its ultimate fate.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:44:12 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah, I want the official one five. My weight at WW was 160 on the nose.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe that is it - lower body mass - more impact from sugar. Maybe I
should try the protein/fat/sugar mix that you found with the caramels
with nuts.

Good luck getting that 15 value. I have been officially under 160
twice, I think. .... No - four times. If that is what you mean by
"an official one five." But it has now been a few weeks.

41F here this morning - high's expected in the low 50's, if that.
Today will be a shorter walk. Hopefully, something more tomorrow.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:35:24 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Funny you should say that. I have never been very sugar sensitive.
These
days however I can really tell when I have had some. I get a shaky kind
of
buzz from it, if my stomach is empty. If I have a sliver of pie or
something as an end to a meal (like about a third of a traditional sized
slice) I don't notice a problem, but let me toss a couple of those little
meringue bombs in there on an empty stomach and I have to redirect myself
outside for a few hours until the munchies leave again.

The really odd thing is that I have some caramels that are exactly an
ounce.
They have a few nuts in em. I can eat one of those and it sits in there
real nice and quiet, satisfies the sweet urge and doesn't call for more.
Got to be the nuts. I have a feeling that active normal weight people
have
hair trigger blood sugar responses.

Great bike ride. It is supposed to be mid 70's here today, ah cool.

My trusty home scale says 158 this morning, a new low. I am going to go
to
my meeting and see if I can get an official one five. Probably can, mine
is
usually only half a pound off theirs.
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like a reasonable way to go. I will have to finish off the 20
or so tubs of Miss Meringues (G) and then start with your plan!!!!

I don't have any problems believing that spurting the blood sugar
level might make one hungry when it drops back down as it will.

And maybe being at a lighter weight, the effects are more profound -
blood sugar spiking easier with less places to be used and hitting the
brain faster.

I did work in a 27 mile bike ride this afternoon and with the chilly
temps (low 40's) I burned calories biking and staying warm! That is
one problem with sush - other than the miso soup and green tea, there
is not much in the way of HOT food entering the body to rewarm it (G)

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I made up a little set of rules for me. If I am over 160, I journal.
Usually just writing it down brings me back down to 159 something
within
a
day or two, even if I don't calculate the points all that strict, or
even
at
all. Just writing it down seems to do it. I got rid of my miss M's
because
they seemed to be making me hungry? Go figure. I noticed that about
an
hour after I ate a couple of em I would be very very hungry. And
wanting
sweets. I had a whole week there before halloween madness struck
where I
was dangling around 159 - 158. I am getting back there now, finally.
This
past week was 160 161. So I wrote.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it can be done. I just need to keep the focus on what I
have
gained in LOSING.

I do the fruit thing as my mid morning/afternoon snacks. After
dinner
seems to be the worst. For months there I did not have a problem
but
now rummaging for junk is "compelling." Up/down...... the exercise
is
the saving grace.

I need to refocus. I think I should do what you are suggesting -
back
to Journaling to just see what I'm eating might be able to restore
the
focus.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our weighers
has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost 40
pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a pound
for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back down
again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is it
I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I think
for
me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to
journal
and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of 159's
in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a
while
when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing styles
and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since 1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up some
this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you
may
be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I
am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

I will be honest - I did not do much of the "tools" that was discussed
at meetings such as the storyboarding and the switching images or
whatever. But I was faithful to the Journaling for most of that first
year except during the camping vacations. And I do know and think
about the points associated with the foods that I am occasionally
overdoing.

But the big tool - how much food is "worth" is one thing that WW
taught me. I also learned, probably, more or less on my own, was what
I still term NORMAL EATING. And this I learned from observing my
friends eat normally. So while I lost down to this weight before, it
was without the knowledge or tools needed to know how much food I
needed to be here and stay here. As I think about it, WW tries not to
be harsh or lecture but stressing what we did was NOT NORMAL EATING
and to observe others for good hints and habits might be something
they could add a bit more actively.

Maybe a certain level of heightened "paranoia" (ha, heightened) is
fine as it is what makes us rethink what is what and what we want.



On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:52:19 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

This discussion plays right into what I have had on my mind for quite a bit
now. I have lost weight numerous times. Never to this point. The last
time I lost was while I was still working at the middle school. I got to
200 pounds, decided that it was "perfect" and as good as I could expect with
my history of extreme obesity, damaged metabolism, yada yada yada yada. I
maintained the 200 for quite a while, at least 6 or 7 months, then somehow
went off into lala land, ending up at the 247 spot that I was at when I
rejoined Feb 02. I did have to quit during that time to take care of Ma and
the stress was an excuse. When I rejoined I had been reading that book
"changing for good" and had also been doing some research that seemed to say
that yo yo dieting was not a predictor of failure at new diets. So I
decided to try something new. Decided to actually do all the suggested
stuff that comes along with WW. Made a storyboard, etc. Committed to
talking it over with my leader when I wanted to quit. I had a real bad
sticking point around 180 and again around 175, but from there it just
seemed to cruise on down. I have a positive Horror of the Ephemeral
Whatever taking me over again and having it creep back up. At the same
time, it seems kind of not fair to have to journal every day the rest of my
life. The trigger number seems a great compromise. When I begin to journal
it is usually only 3 or 4 days before I am back down where I was before
hitting the trigger. And my trigger has crept down a bit. It was 162, now
it is 161. I think this is the only realistic way for me to expect to stay
here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, you are right. And I agree, we certainly should not place
perjorative terms on the occasional GRAND DINNER. I think some up and
some down is natural. Not only just based on the weight of the food
and water but on a bit of real gain and real loss that occurs
naturally during the course of a week or month.

I think WW's Maintenance book does suggest picking a TRIGGER value and
working harder when one hits or definitely passes it. The issue could
be the absense of, again, what I term the SWITCH. That passion that
suddenly said - TIME. Join WW. It is not always present - at least,
I'm not sure that it is.

What I need to do is accept that and not be unnecessarily paranoid
that it will all come back. It is just I can remember how easy it WAS
(I hope) to just say: "At this point, another bowl of ice cream will
not make any difference - it is a lost cause."

Thanks for continuing this discussion

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:38:23 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have been wondering about this. I had that little blip around
halloween.
Don't you suppose that those things are going to be part of life now? I
don't mean that we will Pig Out occationally, just have times when we
legitimately eat enough to gain a pound or two, and then catch it and go
back down? It seems to me that when I have a couple of bigger eating
days,
the scale response fairly quickly and I go back to the journal..etc. The
FIRST day or so back is hard, then it is easy again until I think I am
doing
great (like this morning) and plan on going somewhere interesting to eat
again. .


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I would like it to be supported by a consistent eating pattern.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:45 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:21:03 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago but I am
down
a bit, again.

Down is good, and you're still under goal, so well done :-)

Just the way the darn messages pop right up is a time saver. I will get
used to this probably and think it is slow... Right now it seems that I can
get to all the messages without spending a ton of time here. Got to
interact with Ma every 15 minutes or so, or she wanders.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Sorry that you missed the magic 15X.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (G)

Next week will be sooner enough and you will make it. Good luck

By the way, while dsl/cable will bring things faster, you still have
to read them at "eye" speed and reply at "finger" speed (G)

Just returned from my 4 mile walk around the lake. Could not muster
the wherewithall for another bike ride after sorting out three large
walkin closets with lots of 3-story basement to second story walks.
Sorting is probably the wrong word. Some stuff was tossed but most is
now on the floor of the guest room waiting for its ultimate fate.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:44:12 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah, I want the official one five. My weight at WW was 160 on the nose.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe that is it - lower body mass - more impact from sugar. Maybe I
should try the protein/fat/sugar mix that you found with the caramels
with nuts.

Good luck getting that 15 value. I have been officially under 160
twice, I think. .... No - four times. If that is what you mean by
"an official one five." But it has now been a few weeks.

41F here this morning - high's expected in the low 50's, if that.
Today will be a shorter walk. Hopefully, something more tomorrow.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:35:24 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Funny you should say that. I have never been very sugar sensitive.
These
days however I can really tell when I have had some. I get a shaky
kind
of
buzz from it, if my stomach is empty. If I have a sliver of pie or
something as an end to a meal (like about a third of a traditional
sized
slice) I don't notice a problem, but let me toss a couple of those
little
meringue bombs in there on an empty stomach and I have to redirect
myself
outside for a few hours until the munchies leave again.

The really odd thing is that I have some caramels that are exactly an
ounce.
They have a few nuts in em. I can eat one of those and it sits in
there
real nice and quiet, satisfies the sweet urge and doesn't call for
more.
Got to be the nuts. I have a feeling that active normal weight people
have
hair trigger blood sugar responses.

Great bike ride. It is supposed to be mid 70's here today, ah cool.

My trusty home scale says 158 this morning, a new low. I am going to
go
to
my meeting and see if I can get an official one five. Probably can,
mine
is
usually only half a pound off theirs.
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like a reasonable way to go. I will have to finish off the
20
or so tubs of Miss Meringues (G) and then start with your plan!!!!

I don't have any problems believing that spurting the blood sugar
level might make one hungry when it drops back down as it will.

And maybe being at a lighter weight, the effects are more profound -
blood sugar spiking easier with less places to be used and hitting
the
brain faster.

I did work in a 27 mile bike ride this afternoon and with the chilly
temps (low 40's) I burned calories biking and staying warm! That is
one problem with sush - other than the miso soup and green tea,
there
is not much in the way of HOT food entering the body to rewarm it
(G)

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I made up a little set of rules for me. If I am over 160, I
journal.
Usually just writing it down brings me back down to 159 something
within
a
day or two, even if I don't calculate the points all that strict,
or
even
at
all. Just writing it down seems to do it. I got rid of my miss
M's
because
they seemed to be making me hungry? Go figure. I noticed that
about
an
hour after I ate a couple of em I would be very very hungry. And
wanting
sweets. I had a whole week there before halloween madness struck
where I
was dangling around 159 - 158. I am getting back there now,
finally.
This
past week was 160 161. So I wrote.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it can be done. I just need to keep the focus on what I
have
gained in LOSING.

I do the fruit thing as my mid morning/afternoon snacks. After
dinner
seems to be the worst. For months there I did not have a problem
but
now rummaging for junk is "compelling." Up/down...... the
exercise
is
the saving grace.

I need to refocus. I think I should do what you are suggesting -
back
to Journaling to just see what I'm eating might be able to
restore
the
focus.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

gee, at goal since 1979?! see it can be done. One of our
weighers
has
been
at goal for that long also. She is a pretty elderly lady. Lost
40
pounds
way back when and never put them back. I am going to be up a
pound
for
sure
this week, but like I said, I earned it. Actually, I am back
down
again
this morning but using those averages it won't lie . This is
it
I
think.
A little up, a little down, staying more or less the same. I
think
for
me
it is very important to have a danger weight where I start to
journal
and
count again. Right now I am using 161, since I had a week of
159's
in
there.

You are doing great, just make yourself eat an apple once in a
while
when
you want the meringues. They are so much more filling.

La
"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Quick, let's play see-saw.

I have already done too many meringues today. But then again,
breakfast on WI day consists of not much!

We had a substitute leader today. Interesting comparing
styles
and
also similarities. Today's leader has been at goal since
1979.

Good luck on your WI.



On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:19:31 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

good going Fred, the right direction!! I am going to be up
some
this
week,
but I earned it, and still going to be under goal. Heck, you
may
be
lighter
than me again


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Aha, still not down that 2 pounds I was up two weeks ago
but I
am
down
a bit, again.

Down: 0.6 lbs
Weight: 160.6

Fred
219.2/160.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002