Help me get started

Cyn wrote:
I'm one of them people that needs to be told what to do and what exactly not to do on pretty much anything I do.

You need to be able to formulate your own rules. No one can make them
for you. Even if you go on a "plan", you most probably will have to
make alterations to that plan at some point.

I need to follow a plan.. something I can print and follow to the T.. I have to follow rules or else I fail miserably. I need
a list of to do's and don't do's so that I can be successful...

That's fine. Set them yourself, for yourself.

Please help me... I have to lose 65 lbs and want to be at 130 by this time next year. (which is a realistic goal). But I have to be told, step by step, what to do. I need grocery lists and a designated work out plan formulated by someone other than me.

I know, it sounds crazy.. but unless I have rules to follow I won't follow them...

Can anyone out there my savior? My Knight or princess in shining armor?

Only you can do it. Being in control of your weight means being in
control of yourself.

Help!!!

What happened in the year since you last posted to this newsgroup? It
seems like such a good start.

Neil
385/275/220

Cyn wrote:
gee... thanks!

It was good advice, if a little grumpily delivered.

Neil
385/275/220

Dame Edna wrote:
"Cyn" wrote in message
. net...
gee... thanks!

Cyn, I don't post here anymore,

Famous last words....

but I saw this thread and felt really
sympathetic. This is not a very supportive ng at all, at the moment. It
has been quite different from time to time in the past, but at the moment
this group is prone to name-calling, "tough love," and ignorant
calorie-counting regardless of health considerations.

Gee, another victim of obesity in need of coddling.

My advice is to read
this post and then run away :-)

My suggestion is ignore Dame Edna.

Here's a good link for general education about health and fitness for women:
http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/index.php Click on the "eating" link to learn
a lot about diet.

But your post indicates you don't necessarily want to become a nutritional
expert as much as you want to just lose the weight by next year. So . . . .

The most idiot-proof, step-by-step, healthy diet I've seen lately is "The
Abs Diet,"
http://www.amazon.com/Abs-Diet-Six-W...845265-9048012
The whole "abs" focus is a gimmick (which weakens the book, of course), but
the overall health and nutrition stuff in the book is based on rock-solid
research. It's written for men, by the editors of Men's Health Magazine,
but the diet and exercise routine will work just as well for women, and it's
really idiot-proof and healthy. It's not a fad diet, it's simple shopping
lists, meal-planning lists, exercise explanations, and "cheat sheets" that
anybody could happily and healthily and easily following for a lifetime.

A similarly sensible, though less research-based book is "Fight Fat," by
the editors of Prevention magazine. It was written for women. It's out of
print, but you can get it for a penny plus shipping and handling from
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...e=UTF8&s=books .
The bottom line diet on pages 35-36 is a lot like Weight Watchers, but the
overall program focusses much more on a nutrionally balanced diet and it is
not based on calorie-counting.

Actually, it is. By following the plan, you are having the authors
count the calories for you. There's nothing wrong with this approach,
of course, as long as you follow the plan.

It's not as "idiot-proof" as the "Abs Diet"
program, and you'll eventually need to supplement the nutritional wisdom
with info from a less simplistic resource
like www.stumptuous.com (especially the stumptuous section on EFA's) but
it's still quite simple and healthy for a beginner.

Another good book is "Body for Life," by Bill Phillips, which you can
probably get from the library. His program is idiot-proof, healthy, and
comprehensive. My main quibble with this program is that it advocates
exercising on an empty stomach. IMHO, that burns more muscle than fat.

You do realize the fat is on your body, not in your stomach, don't you?

Also, the earlier editions of his book have some erroneous info about
"supplements," so just ignore that chapter.

If you go ahead and start the Abs Diet (that goofy name really annoys me,
but it's a good program) and then start educating and motivating yourself
with some of the other reading I've recommended, you *can* lose the weight
you want without having to become a fitness expert, or go hungry, or do
anything you wouldn't want to do for the rest of your long and healthy life.

Typical straw man argument. No one has advocated anything resembling
your list.

Don't be surprised if a ****storm ensues on this thread after my post.

The storm was IN your post.

I
won't post to this thread anymore.

Promise?

SFrunner wrote:
SFrunner wrote:
Cyn wrote:
gee... thanks!


Well, do you want to lose weight or not?


Let me continue...there are lots of great people in here who have lots
tons (literally) of weight.

NOT ONE of them was babied or coddled. They worked their asses off
(again, literally).

I'm approaching the one year mark for my lifestyle change, and I find
myself recalling my days as the 385 pound Neilasaurus.

Then:
I had trouble walking short distances.
I had touble lifting items.
I was in very poor physical shape.
My activities were limited to moving from seat to seat.
I hated to exercise.
There were many thing I couldn't do because of my weight.

Now:
I can hike four miles, and perhaps more!
I can leg press my old weight of 385! I can carry 50 pound weights
without a problem!
My body is in much better shape.
I walk, hike, swim, lift, and soon, bike!
I love to exercise!
Now there's almost nothing I can't do!

However, I never would have managed to accomplish anything had I not
decided that I was worth the effort. That was the hardest part.
Compared to that, the sweat and labor was easy.

Neil
385/275/220

The Historian wrote:
SFrunner wrote:
SFrunner wrote:
Cyn wrote:
gee... thanks!


Well, do you want to lose weight or not?


Let me continue...there are lots of great people in here who have lots
tons (literally) of weight.

NOT ONE of them was babied or coddled. They worked their asses off
(again, literally).

I'm approaching the one year mark for my lifestyle change, and I find
myself recalling my days as the 385 pound Neilasaurus.

Then:
I had trouble walking short distances.
I had touble lifting items.
I was in very poor physical shape.
My activities were limited to moving from seat to seat.
I hated to exercise.
There were many thing I couldn't do because of my weight.

Now:
I can hike four miles, and perhaps more!
I can leg press my old weight of 385! I can carry 50 pound weights
without a problem!
My body is in much better shape.
I walk, hike, swim, lift, and soon, bike!
I love to exercise!
Now there's almost nothing I can't do!

However, I never would have managed to accomplish anything had I not
decided that I was worth the effort. That was the hardest part.
Compared to that, the sweat and labor was easy.


That's awesome, Neil. And yeah, knowing that it is worth the effort is
the hardest part, isn['t it? I sure found that out.

First of all, this is my last post because you are an imbecile and have made
assumptions about me that you have not right to.

I do not want to be babied and coddled.. I want advice... suggestions...
idea's... obviously something you are not willing to give.. and that is just
fine with me.
I know nothing of diet and good eating habits... I'm clueless.. That is why
I posted to begin with. My Dr says I need to lose weight with by doing
"lifestyle modification"... fine, I can do that... I just don't know where
to start... and still don't... I was seeking knowledge from those I had
hoped to have been kind enough to share some of their success stories and
how they did it.

I am taking Edna's advice...

Happy Holidays!




"SFrunner" wrote in message
ups.com...

Edna Pearl wrote:
"Cyn" wrote in message
. net...
gee... thanks!

Cyn, I don't post here anymore, but I saw this thread and felt really
sympathetic. This is not a very supportive ng at all, at the moment. It
has been quite different from time to time in the past, but at the moment
this group is prone to name-calling, "tough love," and ignorant
calorie-counting regardless of health considerations. My advice is to
read
this post and then run away :-)


With all due respect, she doesn't want to do the work for herself. She
wants someone to take her hand and coddle her. Is that how you lost
weight? Are you going to hold her hand while she wallows in sself pity?

I have more sympathy than you could ever imagine, believe me. But, when
someone looks at the world as wanting someone to save them, do you
honestly think that person will be successful at waight loss? Be honest
about it.

Reality is a harsh mistress, we should know that by adulthood.

SFrunner wrote:
Edna Pearl wrote:
"Cyn" wrote in message
. net...
gee... thanks!

Cyn, I don't post here anymore, but I saw this thread and felt really
sympathetic. This is not a very supportive ng at all, at the moment. It
has been quite different from time to time in the past, but at the moment
this group is prone to name-calling, "tough love," and ignorant
calorie-counting regardless of health considerations. My advice is to read
this post and then run away :-)


With all due respect, she doesn't want to do the work for herself. She
wants someone to take her hand and coddle her. Is that how you lost
weight?

Actually, Dame Edna complained she wasn't losing weight, and then
rejected the suggestion she apply the tools most commonly used to
achieve weight loss. Yet another example of a person saying they will
do anything to lose weight, except change the lifestyle that made them
fat.

Are you going to hold her hand while she wallows in sself pity?

I suggested she start posting to fathappens.com, the wesbite for poor
fat people victimized by their own bodies.

I have more sympathy than you could ever imagine, believe me. But, when
someone looks at the world as wanting someone to save them, do you
honestly think that person will be successful at waight loss? Be honest
about it.

Reality is a harsh mistress, we should know that by adulthood.

Agreed.

Cyn wrote:
First of all, this is my last post ...

Famous last words....

because you are an imbecile and have made
assumptions about me that you have not right to.

Most of us can't mind read. We can only go by what you write. His
assumptions were plausible.

I do not want to be babied and coddled.. I want advice... suggestions...
idea's... obviously something you are not willing to give.. and that is just
fine with me.

He gave suggestions. You just don't like them.

I know nothing of diet and good eating habits... I'm clueless.. That is why
I posted to begin with. My Dr says I need to lose weight with by doing
"lifestyle modification"... fine, I can do that... I just don't know where
to start... and still don't... I was seeking knowledge from those I had
hoped to have been kind enough to share some of their success stories and
how they did it.

http://picasaweb.google.com/chesshis...nkingHistorian

Compare photos 4 and 5 with the last photos. The hardest part wasn't
the exercise, it was recognizing that I was in complete control of my
weight. Everything else, while important, was secondary.

However, I realize these are wasted words. I expect you will complain I
was mean and didn't offer any advice.

I am taking Edna's advice...

Good luck. If I recall correctly, Dame Edna wasn't having much success
with her 'method.' But perhaps
your luck will be better. After all, it's not like you have any say in
your weight loss, is it?

Happy Holidays!

Merry Christmas!

Neil
385/275/220

SFrunner wrote:
The Historian wrote:
SFrunner wrote:
SFrunner wrote:
Cyn wrote:
gee... thanks!


Well, do you want to lose weight or not?


Let me continue...there are lots of great people in here who have lots
tons (literally) of weight.

NOT ONE of them was babied or coddled. They worked their asses off
(again, literally).

I'm approaching the one year mark for my lifestyle change, and I find
myself recalling my days as the 385 pound Neilasaurus.

Then:
I had trouble walking short distances.
I had touble lifting items.
I was in very poor physical shape.
My activities were limited to moving from seat to seat.
I hated to exercise.
There were many thing I couldn't do because of my weight.

Now:
I can hike four miles, and perhaps more!
I can leg press my old weight of 385! I can carry 50 pound weights
without a problem!
My body is in much better shape.
I walk, hike, swim, lift, and soon, bike!
I love to exercise!
Now there's almost nothing I can't do!

However, I never would have managed to accomplish anything had I not
decided that I was worth the effort. That was the hardest part.
Compared to that, the sweat and labor was easy.


That's awesome, Neil. And yeah, knowing that it is worth the effort is
the hardest part, isn['t it? I sure found that out.

I also needed to stop thinking of myself as a victim of obesity. Once I
shed the victim mindset, the weight began to come off.

Cyn wrote:
First of all, this is my last post because you are an imbecile and have made
assumptions about me that you have not right to.

Really? Here is your original statement:

"Can anyone out there my savior? My Knight or princess in shining
armor?"

Yeah, looks like you DO want to be babied. Perhaps you've changed your
mind. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I do not want to be babied and coddled.. I want advice... suggestions...
idea's... obviously something you are not willing to give.. and that is just
fine with me.

I did give suggestions. Perhaps if you had written I want help so I can
do it for myself, more people would have been responsive, including
myself.

www.cookinglight.com
www.fitday.com
The American Heart Association
Wegith Watchers

There's some suggestions, a few that I gave you before.

I know nothing of diet and good eating habits... I'm clueless.. That is why
I posted to begin with. My Dr says I need to lose weight with by doing
"lifestyle modification"... fine, I can do that... I just don't know where
to start... and still don't... I was seeking knowledge from those I had
hoped to have been kind enough to share some of their success stories and
how they did it.

I am taking Edna's advice...

Edna failed and would not take any suggestions. Hope you fare better!

Happy Holidays!

You too!!!

Martha
184/158/140
Running is life!!!