Atkins Attack

"kuhndog runner" wrote...
| The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise.

....and generalizations are for lazy people who refuse to take the time to learn
the whole truth.

eff

On 5 Feb 2004 14:19:34 -0800, (Tom)
wrote:



These girls knew ****-all about Atkins....


But isn't this one of the problems with the diet? Too many people
misunderstading it, even many who have read the book.

If so many people have the idea wrong, then how many are actually
doing it right? I know several people who did lose weight on the diet,
but their whole idea was to do it temporarily, so they gained it right
back. None of them liked the diet enough to make it their WOE.

A lot of people really think it is a magical diet when you eat a bunch
of fat and lose weight. They aren't actually studying the diet to know
why it works or how it will need to be maintained. They actually
destroy the reputation of the deit simply by being bad examples of it.


Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

It seems to me that if you want to lose weight, you should eat anything you
like (this is how you'll have to eat the rest of your life..........can you
follow atkins or any other "diet" for the rest of your life?) in moderation.
Double up on the vegetables and reduce the carbs and red meat, get some
exercise every day (even if it's just dancing around a room) and you should
lose weight (not more than 2 pounds a week).

Ashara

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Basically true, but low carb has a few advantages such as hunger control.

--
JC

Eat less, exercise more.

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"Ashara" wrote in message
...
It seems to me that if you want to lose weight, you should eat anything
you
like (this is how you'll have to eat the rest of your life..........can
you
follow atkins or any other "diet" for the rest of your life?) in
moderation.
Double up on the vegetables and reduce the carbs and red meat, get some
exercise every day (even if it's just dancing around a room) and you
should
lose weight (not more than 2 pounds a week).

Ashara

--

kuhndog runner wrote:

The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise.

You need to work on the truthfullness of your statements. On
Atkins exercise is mandatory. If you aren't doing exercise you
are not on the plan.

The reason I say this is because no carbs = no energy.

You need to work on doing your homework. You appear unaware that
there is a one month adjustment period after which endurance is
higher than before you started and strength is at least as high.
Completely basic information from any well read body builder.

If you stick with the 30 - 40 - 40 diet

Eating 110% of the recommended calorie levels can't be good. You
need to work on doing your homework.

and get in 20 minutes of exercise 5 times a
week, you will encounter weight loss that is permenant and not
temporarily there until you eat two pieces of pizza!

Studies show that exercise is proof against adding weight back, but
that most people who lose a lot and keep it off build their exercise
program to intense levels after most of the loss. Of course doing
that would mean you aren't on Atkins since to qualify to be on the
plan you need to do the mandatory exercise from day one.

Meghan Noecker wrote:

On 5 Feb 2004 14:19:34 -0800, (Tom)
wrote:



These girls knew ****-all about Atkins....


But isn't this one of the problems with the diet? Too many people
misunderstading it, even many who have read the book.

If so many people have the idea wrong, then how many are actually
doing it right? I know several people who did lose weight on the diet,
but their whole idea was to do it temporarily, so they gained it right
back. None of them liked the diet enough to make it their WOE.

A lot of people really think it is a magical diet when you eat a bunch
of fat and lose weight. They aren't actually studying the diet to know
why it works or how it will need to be maintained. They actually
destroy the reputation of the deit simply by being bad examples of it.

a lot of people used to think the earth was flat, too.

but i don't disagree with you, Meghan. one problem is that people don't
read the whole book and sometimes even if they do they still don't get
it right. it's not written very well, in my opinion. however, there
are still people who do it right and have great success. it's not
impossible to figure out, not by a long shot.

atkins isn't the only low carb plan, though. having read your past
posts about sugar, i would recommend a book called "The Schwarzbein
Principle" to you. it's pretty interesting, fairly well-written, and a
good sensible plan that could help you beat that sugar thing (which i
really do think is very bad for you whether you're overweight or not).

(Meghan Noecker) wrote:

On 5 Feb 2004 14:19:34 -0800, (Tom)
wrote:



These girls knew ****-all about Atkins....


But isn't this one of the problems with the diet? Too many people
misunderstading it, even many who have read the book.
No this is a problem with educational levels. People don't read the
whole book, or don't comprehend what they read or think they can do
whatever, sorta like the book and as long as they loose that whoosh in
the first two weeks, it's a diet and it works. Meanwhile any diet can
cause that woosh!

I know a lot of people who read about a subject and afterwards they
seem just as uniformed as those that didn't read. Dietary nutrition
and health are no different.

If so many people have the idea wrong, then how many are actually
doing it right? I know several people who did lose weight on the diet,
but their whole idea was to do it temporarily, so they gained it right
back. None of them liked the diet enough to make it their WOE.
None of them liked the diet THEY PRACTICED enough. Big difference. Who
knows what they really did? I personally think using artificial
sweeteners during induction is a bad idea. To me Induction is a reset,
a purge. You reduce your diet to very base animal products. Then you
can experiment adding other things and observe your body's reaction.
However that is methodical, logical, and precise. These are the
reasons my employers love my technical troubleshooting skills. Very,
very few people are like this. I hope to learn exactly what I can and
can't eat. I've already found that the 3 times I ate sauerkraut I
ended p overeating or uncomfortably full. As odd as it is, I think
this is a trigger for me. I don't expect most (90%+) people to be this
exacting and to me that invites failure from simply not understanding
what you are doing wrong.

I've been reading lots of negative articles against atkins to look for
what problem the diet might cause me. The first thing I noticed is how
few of them recognized the basic tenets of the diet. Many
criticizisms(sp??) had nothing to do with the Atkins plan to begin
with. This was true with Articles written by researchers and M.D. with
all sorts of impressive initials at the end of their bylines. If so
called "educated professionals" can't read his book and come away with
an understanding, you can't blame the average joe for not
comprehending it either.


I do believe someone needs to do an Atkins for Dummies book that
explains, succintly and clearly, the diet and then advises how to
follow each stage and why. All the benefit/supposed evils can be
discussed later in the book.

A lot of people really think it is a magical diet when you eat a bunch
of fat and lose weight. They aren't actually studying the diet to know
why it works or how it will need to be maintained. They actually
destroy the reputation of the deit simply by being bad examples of it.


Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

(kuhndog runner) wrote in message . com...
The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise. The
reason I say this is because no carbs = no energy.

So the body cannot get any energy from fat or protein?????? Are you
completely daft or just lazy because you refuse to learn the basics of
nutrition?

If you stick with
the 30 - 40 - 40 diet and get in 20 minutes of exercise 5 times a
week, you will encounter weight loss that is permenant and not
temporarily there until you eat two pieces of pizza!


How do you keep your carb intake to 40% or less without cutting high
density refined carbs? It is impossible. And once you do cut out the
high density refined carbs you are in fact low-carbing. So in spite of
your silly tirade against atkins, you are in fact eating a low-carb
diet.

TC

I think that was Atkins' point to not list the first phase of the diet till
page 121 of his book to get you to understand what your about to get
yourself into.

My husband said--oh, don't eat any white foods. My starving college age
daughter, lived on hot dogs. ATKINS? nope, doesn't sound good. I was very
pleased when I read the book for myself- Te thing is, he repeats his
advice, over and over- whats not to be understood if you read the book. it
isn't a diet to joke with, if you plan on quitting in a few weeks, don't do
atkins.


"DigitalVinyl" wrote in message
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(Meghan Noecker) wrote:

On 5 Feb 2004 14:19:34 -0800, (Tom)
wrote:



These girls knew ****-all about Atkins....


But isn't this one of the problems with the diet? Too many people
misunderstading it, even many who have read the book.
No this is a problem with educational levels. People don't read the
whole book, or don't comprehend what they read or think they can do
whatever, sorta like the book and as long as they loose that whoosh in
the first two weeks, it's a diet and it works. Meanwhile any diet can
cause that woosh!

I know a lot of people who read about a subject and afterwards they
seem just as uniformed as those that didn't read. Dietary nutrition
and health are no different.

If so many people have the idea wrong, then how many are actually
doing it right? I know several people who did lose weight on the diet,
but their whole idea was to do it temporarily, so they gained it right
back. None of them liked the diet enough to make it their WOE.
None of them liked the diet THEY PRACTICED enough. Big difference. Who
knows what they really did? I personally think using artificial
sweeteners during induction is a bad idea. To me Induction is a reset,
a purge. You reduce your diet to very base animal products. Then you
can experiment adding other things and observe your body's reaction.
However that is methodical, logical, and precise. These are the
reasons my employers love my technical troubleshooting skills. Very,
very few people are like this. I hope to learn exactly what I can and
can't eat. I've already found that the 3 times I ate sauerkraut I
ended p overeating or uncomfortably full. As odd as it is, I think
this is a trigger for me. I don't expect most (90%+) people to be this
exacting and to me that invites failure from simply not understanding
what you are doing wrong.

I've been reading lots of negative articles against atkins to look for
what problem the diet might cause me. The first thing I noticed is how
few of them recognized the basic tenets of the diet. Many
criticizisms(sp??) had nothing to do with the Atkins plan to begin
with. This was true with Articles written by researchers and M.D. with
all sorts of impressive initials at the end of their bylines. If so
called "educated professionals" can't read his book and come away with
an understanding, you can't blame the average joe for not
comprehending it either.


I do believe someone needs to do an Atkins for Dummies book that
explains, succintly and clearly, the diet and then advises how to
follow each stage and why. All the benefit/supposed evils can be
discussed later in the book.

A lot of people really think it is a magical diet when you eat a bunch
of fat and lose weight. They aren't actually studying the diet to know
why it works or how it will need to be maintained. They actually
destroy the reputation of the deit simply by being bad examples of it.


Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:35:16 GMT, "Ear Rings" wrote:

Get some diet counselling. High sugar does not work forever. You have a
yeast colony in your gut that will eventually put you on anxiety medication,
depression medication and give you a long slow terminal disease. This
results in an addictive allergy. The more you feed the allergy the more
"lack of sugar" attacks you will have.

The low fat approach will result you probably bad exzema or psoriasis. You
need fats but "good fats". Talk to some people doing Weight watchers for a
few years of continuous loses. It works but there can be big problems from
it too.

Best of luck.


You are correct. And diabetes will shortly show its ugly head and
blindness and amputations will follow.

Good Luck.