Short workouts may be good

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.....ap/index.html

This is a good story, because it illustrates that you might not have to
workout forever to get results. I've always liked going to the gym, but
have always hated long workouts. I think people are finally realized that
quantity doesn't equal quality.

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Bob M wrote:
::
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.....ap/index.html
::
:: This is a good story, because it illustrates that you might not have
:: to workout forever to get results. I've always liked going to the
:: gym, but have always hated long workouts. I think people are
:: finally realized that quantity doesn't equal quality.
::

I didn't read the article, but workout length need not be long. I good
weight training session can certainly be 1 hour or less. However, for good
results, one needs to pick exercises carefully. Doing lots of dumbells
curls is not likely to produce good results, overall. Working with squats,
deadlifts, bench presses, lat pulldowns/chinups, etc. are compound movements
which involve multiple muscle groups. If done right and in the correct
combinations, these simulate all muscle groups and don't take long to
complete.

Also, if you wish to lose bodyfat, shorts sessions of HIIT have been shown
to be way more benefical than long sessions of moderate to low intensity
cardio.

Of course, if you wish to train for endurance, then long sessions are likely
necessary. I doubt if you can train for a century effectively without doing
some long rides

It comes down to your goals, to a significant extent.


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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:33:46 -0500, Roger Zoul
wrote:

Bob M wrote:
::
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.....ap/index.html
::
:: This is a good story, because it illustrates that you might not have
:: to workout forever to get results. I've always liked going to the
:: gym, but have always hated long workouts. I think people are
:: finally realized that quantity doesn't equal quality.
::

I didn't read the article, but workout length need not be long. I good
weight training session can certainly be 1 hour or less. However, for
good
results, one needs to pick exercises carefully. Doing lots of dumbells
curls is not likely to produce good results, overall. Working with
squats,
deadlifts, bench presses, lat pulldowns/chinups, etc. are compound
movements
which involve multiple muscle groups. If done right and in the correct
combinations, these simulate all muscle groups and don't take long to
complete.

Also, if you wish to lose bodyfat, shorts sessions of HIIT have been
shown
to be way more benefical than long sessions of moderate to low intensity
cardio.

Of course, if you wish to train for endurance, then long sessions are
likely
necessary. I doubt if you can train for a century effectively without
doing
some long rides

It comes down to your goals, to a significant extent.




Thanks, Roger. Yeah, I've always done the compound movements -- I've
always felt that machines, dumbells, and isolation exercises were for
wimps! Due to many injuries, I've tempered this somewhat (I don't do
military presses, for instance, other than on a machine), but I'm still
about the major push/pull/squat type exercises.

As for centuries, yeah you definitely have to ride a while. Next year,
I'm shooting for two centuries, and I plan to ride 75-80 miles before the
first one, hopefully over hilly terrain. You need to acclimate your butt
and body to biking for hours upon hours.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:33:46 -0500, Roger Zoul
wrote:

Bob M wrote:
::
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.....ap/index.html
::
:: This is a good story, because it illustrates that you might not have
:: to workout forever to get results. I've always liked going to the
:: gym, but have always hated long workouts. I think people are
:: finally realized that quantity doesn't equal quality.
::

I didn't read the article, but workout length need not be long. I good
weight training session can certainly be 1 hour or less. However, for
good
results, one needs to pick exercises carefully. Doing lots of dumbells
curls is not likely to produce good results, overall. Working with
squats,
deadlifts, bench presses, lat pulldowns/chinups, etc. are compound
movements
which involve multiple muscle groups. If done right and in the correct
combinations, these simulate all muscle groups and don't take long to
complete.

Also, if you wish to lose bodyfat, shorts sessions of HIIT have been
shown
to be way more benefical than long sessions of moderate to low intensity
cardio.

Of course, if you wish to train for endurance, then long sessions are
likely
necessary. I doubt if you can train for a century effectively without
doing
some long rides

It comes down to your goals, to a significant extent.




Thanks, Roger. Yeah, I've always done the compound movements -- I've
always felt that machines, dumbells, and isolation exercises were for
wimps! Due to many injuries, I've tempered this somewhat (I don't do
military presses, for instance, other than on a machine), but I'm still
about the major push/pull/squat type exercises.

As for centuries, yeah you definitely have to ride a while. Next year,
I'm shooting for two centuries, and I plan to ride 75-80 miles before the
first one, hopefully over hilly terrain. You need to acclimate your butt
and body to biking for hours upon hours.

What's wrong woth dumbbells? Maybe you should be using dumbbells
instead of that goofy Military press machine?

billydee wrote:
:: Bob M wrote in message
:: ...
::: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:33:46 -0500, Roger Zoul
:::
::: wrote:
:::
:::: Bob M wrote:
::::::
:::
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.....ap/index.html
::::::
:::::: This is a good story, because it illustrates that you might not
:::::: have
:::::: to workout forever to get results. I've always liked going to
:::::: the
:::::: gym, but have always hated long workouts. I think people are
:::::: finally realized that quantity doesn't equal quality.
::::::
::::
:::: I didn't read the article, but workout length need not be long. I
:::: good
:::: weight training session can certainly be 1 hour or less. However,
:::: for
:::: good
:::: results, one needs to pick exercises carefully. Doing lots of
:::: dumbells
:::: curls is not likely to produce good results, overall. Working with
:::: squats,
:::: deadlifts, bench presses, lat pulldowns/chinups, etc. are compound
:::: movements
:::: which involve multiple muscle groups. If done right and in the
:::: correct
:::: combinations, these simulate all muscle groups and don't take long
:::: to
:::: complete.
::::
:::: Also, if you wish to lose bodyfat, shorts sessions of HIIT have
:::: been
:::: shown
:::: to be way more benefical than long sessions of moderate to low
:::: intensity
:::: cardio.
::::
:::: Of course, if you wish to train for endurance, then long sessions
:::: are
:::: likely
:::: necessary. I doubt if you can train for a century effectively
:::: without
:::: doing
:::: some long rides
::::
:::: It comes down to your goals, to a significant extent.
::::
::::
:::
:::
::: Thanks, Roger. Yeah, I've always done the compound movements --
::: I've
::: always felt that machines, dumbells, and isolation exercises were
::: for
::: wimps! Due to many injuries, I've tempered this somewhat (I don't
::: do
::: military presses, for instance, other than on a machine), but I'm
::: still
::: about the major push/pull/squat type exercises.
:::
::: As for centuries, yeah you definitely have to ride a while. Next
::: year,
::: I'm shooting for two centuries, and I plan to ride 75-80 miles
::: before the
::: first one, hopefully over hilly terrain. You need to acclimate
::: your butt
::: and body to biking for hours upon hours.
::
:: What's wrong woth dumbbells? Maybe you should be using dumbbells
:: instead of that goofy Military press machine?

Actually, dumbbells can be a great way to workout -- even better than using
a barbell, since you're forced to use the stablizer muscles more in both
arms with them. I was just commenting on doing just dumbbell curls
(targetting the small bicept muslce) and thinking those along comprise a
good workout. Bob was saying that due to many injuries, he prefers to use
the machine for overhead presses than freeweights. I can see that.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:51:53 -0600, Pat wrote:




As you may or may not know, we had the White Rock Marathon this past
weekend. The sports radio stations were talking about it today while I
was
listening in the car, and it got me to thinking: maybe I should go and
walk
one of the marathons. Why not? My doc would have a cow if I attempted
to
run on "his" ankle, but walking wouldn't be bad for it.....They were
saying
that one guy at the station ran it in 3 hours and 48 minutes but that
several people were in the 5 or 6 hour range and they were just
walking. I
can ride a bike for 8 hours, so I guess I could walk 26.2 miles in 6
hours.
did you ever think of walking a marathon?

Pat in TX



No, I haven't, but I think that walking is better than jogging. I've
never jogged where I've not gotten injured (thus my "love affair" with the
bike -- once you dial in the right position, you should really never get
injured, or at least I've never been injured).

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:48:46 -0500, Roger Zoul
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billydee wrote:
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:: What's wrong woth dumbbells? Maybe you should be using dumbbells
:: instead of that goofy Military press machine?

Actually, dumbbells can be a great way to workout -- even better than
using
a barbell, since you're forced to use the stablizer muscles more in both
arms with them. I was just commenting on doing just dumbbell curls
(targetting the small bicept muslce) and thinking those along comprise a
good workout. Bob was saying that due to many injuries, he prefers to use
the machine for overhead presses than freeweights. I can see that.



For dumbbells, I was thinking of "isolation" exercises. I do use
dumbbells for certain exercises, such as military presses, bench presses,
incline presses, etc. I have a partially torn rotator cuff muscle (left
shoulder) and biceps tendinitis (right shoulder). Dumbbells at times
allow too much range of motion, while machines can limit the range of
motion. Thus, for some exercises, like military presses, a machine is
beneficial, as I can set it so that it doesn't go low enough to aggravate
my conditions. I don't like machines -- I hate them. I've been
bodybuilding since 1979, and I'm a firm believer that you can grow using
mainly barbells and dumbbells. Nonetheless, for those of us who are
injured, machines can help.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:51:53 -0600, Pat wrote:
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several people were in the 5 or 6 hour range and they were just
walking. I
can ride a bike for 8 hours, so I guess I could walk 26.2 miles in 6
hours.
did you ever think of walking a marathon?

Pat in TX



the 4.4 mph average clip it would take to get through a marathon in 6
minutes is not really "just walking." If you've ever seen "race
walking," the kind of walking you have to do to sustain that pace
without breaking into a jog, it doesn't look at all like normal
walking. It would take nearly as much training as a marathon runner
to be able to sustain a race walk for six hours. If you've got it in
you, though, go for it, and good luck!

carla
new to low-carb
237/227/165?

carla wrote:
::: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:51:53 -0600, Pat wrote:
:: snip
:::: several people were in the 5 or 6 hour range and they were just
:::: walking. I
:::: can ride a bike for 8 hours, so I guess I could walk 26.2 miles in
:::: 6 hours.
:::: did you ever think of walking a marathon?
::::
:::: Pat in TX
::::
::::
:::
:: the 4.4 mph average clip it would take to get through a marathon in 6
:: minutes is not really "just walking." If you've ever seen "race
:: walking," the kind of walking you have to do to sustain that pace
:: without breaking into a jog, it doesn't look at all like normal
:: walking. It would take nearly as much training as a marathon runner
:: to be able to sustain a race walk for six hours. If you've got it in
:: you, though, go for it, and good luck!

I'd have to order up a new set of feet if I tried this stunt.

Pat wrote:
....
take longer. I have walked a 4 minute mile without too much trouble
because my quads get plenty of exercise in cycling. It's the calf
You "walked" a 4-minute mile??

Now that's going some...considering that only a fistfull of the *best*
runners in the world can do that in 4-minutes...running!

muscles that would have to be trained, I think. What kind of rests do
marathoners take?
Long ones...

DustyB
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