2PD question, seriously

Ok, this is not meant to start any flame wars, this is a serious question
about the 2 pound diet. Am I correct in thinking that this diet limits one
to two pounds of food per day, but you can drink as much water as you want?
If this is so, do you take the water content into account when weighing
your food? An entire watermelon, for example, weighs quite a lot, but
without the water in it I bet it wouldn't weigh very much at all. The same
is probably true for a lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating
machine, you could just dry everything out and be able to eat quite a bit
more food, right?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna wrote:
:: Ok, this is not meant to start any flame wars, this is a serious
:: question about the 2 pound diet. Am I correct in thinking that this
:: diet limits one to two pounds of food per day, but you can drink as
:: much water as you want?

Yes, that is my understanding anyway.

If this is so, do you take the water content
:: into account when weighing your food?

It gets accounted for when you weigh the food. How else can you do it?

An entire watermelon, for
:: example, weighs quite a lot, but without the water in it I bet it
:: wouldn't weigh very much at all. The same is probably true for a
:: lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating machine, you could
:: just dry everything out and be able to eat quite a bit more food,
:: right?

Well, those mountain climbers ate dehydrated food -- 2 lbs of it as I
recall. So if you rehydrate it, it might weigh 9 lbs.



Let the fun begin!

In article ,
"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Luna wrote:
:: Ok, this is not meant to start any flame wars, this is a serious
:: question about the 2 pound diet. Am I correct in thinking that this
:: diet limits one to two pounds of food per day, but you can drink as
:: much water as you want?

Yes, that is my understanding anyway.

If this is so, do you take the water content
:: into account when weighing your food?

It gets accounted for when you weigh the food. How else can you do it?


I phrased that question wrong. I meant, do you have to count the water
content towards the total weight of the food? I don't think you should have
to, because water has no calories. So if I were on the 2PD and I wanted to
eat nothing but pasta all day, I could just weigh it before cooking, since
the difference in weight after cooking is all from water, right?

An entire watermelon, for
:: example, weighs quite a lot, but without the water in it I bet it
:: wouldn't weigh very much at all. The same is probably true for a
:: lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating machine, you could
:: just dry everything out and be able to eat quite a bit more food,
:: right?

Well, those mountain climbers ate dehydrated food -- 2 lbs of it as I
recall. So if you rehydrate it, it might weigh 9 lbs.



Let the fun begin!





--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote:
::
::: Luna wrote:
::::: Ok, this is not meant to start any flame wars, this is a serious
::::: question about the 2 pound diet. Am I correct in thinking that
::::: this diet limits one to two pounds of food per day, but you can
::::: drink as much water as you want?
:::
::: Yes, that is my understanding anyway.
:::
::: If this is so, do you take the water content
::::: into account when weighing your food?
:::
::: It gets accounted for when you weigh the food. How else can you do
::: it?
:::
::
:: I phrased that question wrong. I meant, do you have to count the
:: water content towards the total weight of the food?

You weigh the food -- with water. There is no other way to do so that would
be of any practical use. You won't see people dehydrating watermelon.

I don't think
:: you should have to, because water has no calories. So if I were on
:: the 2PD and I wanted to eat nothing but pasta all day, I could just
:: weigh it before cooking, since the difference in weight after
:: cooking is all from water, right?

You'll have to ask Mu or Chung, but I think the answer is no -- you weigh it
after cooking. I'm no expert on the 2PD.


::
::: An entire watermelon, for
::::: example, weighs quite a lot, but without the water in it I bet it
::::: wouldn't weigh very much at all. The same is probably true for a
::::: lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating machine, you could
::::: just dry everything out and be able to eat quite a bit more food,
::::: right?
:::
::: Well, those mountain climbers ate dehydrated food -- 2 lbs of it as
::: I recall. So if you rehydrate it, it might weigh 9 lbs.
:::
:::
:::
::: Let the fun begin!
:::
:::
:::
:::
::
:: --
:: Michelle Levin
:: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
::
:: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
:: flaws.

Luna wrote:

I meant, do you have to count the water content towards the total weight
of the food?

how do you propose weighing the water in your food separately?

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:15:51 GMT, Luna
wrote:

Ok, this is not meant to start any flame wars, this is a serious question
about the 2 pound diet. Am I correct in thinking that this diet limits one
to two pounds of food per day, but you can drink as much water as you want?

Correct. But the 2 pound limitation must be reached gradually. Weigh
what you are presently eating, don't cheat, and move the volume of
food/drink down slowly.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/lowtnd.asp

If this is so, do you take the water content into account when weighing
your food? An entire watermelon, for example, weighs quite a lot, but
without the water in it I bet it wouldn't weigh very much at all.

Here's where you get to apply, in time, an Ounce Of Common Sense.

The 2PDiet is based on several factors but one of the most significant
ones is that your tummy is used to higher than necessary amounts of
food. MOF, so is your (plural usage) psyche.

That is to say, there is a widespread misunderstanding of the amounts
of food that are required to maintain health. We have been duped into
oversized meals brought on by an abundance of cheap food, mainly by
the targeted, conspiratorial marketing of food to excess by those who
make $$$ selling food.

With that said, weighing the water amounts in your food (such as
cooked spaghetti instead of weighing dehydrated spaghetti) is about
retraining your stomach and your psyche to accepting, and both will,
these lowered, in weight, food volumes.

Personally, after six or eight weeks, I was well adjusted to averaging
around 2 pounds per day and made a Common Sense allowance for the
water that I knew was either added or part of the food I was eating.
Take note though I made this adjustment with full knowledge, and a
vigilant eye on the scale, that if I found myself back in the
overeating trap, I would have to go directly back to the basics as
Chung has laid out.

The same
is probably true for a lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating
machine, you could just dry everything out and be able to eat quite a bit
more food, right?

Yes, you could.

Luna, I tell you this simple diet will absolutely make you rethink all
you ever took for granted about food. Food amounts, the importance of
food (other than as necessary fuels and chemicals), your real
relationship with food, how many plan their whole day around
meals...the list is endless.

If you note how this highly successful approach to eating is so
routinely disdained, what you see is people fighting against the
realities of their obsessions and abnormal relationships with food in
quantity. They flat don't want to give higher than required volumes of
food and drink up.

And they will fight to the end trying to justify the unjustifiable. Of
course, these are the same folks that also remain obese.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991014.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:17:41 GMT, Luna
wrote:

I phrased that question wrong. I meant, do you have to count the water
content towards the total weight of the food? I don't think you should have
to, because water has no calories.

For now, forget about calories. Retrain yourself to lowered food
intakes. One simple step at a time.

So if I were on the 2PD and I wanted to
eat nothing but pasta all day, I could just weigh it before cooking, since
the difference in weight after cooking is all from water, right?

Not until you are sure you have gotten your relationship with food
under control. And your stomach, and your psyche, have fully bought
into the fact that you flat don't need the amount of food that the
average American sincerely believes is required.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991014.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:56:15 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

I meant, do you have to count the water content towards the total weight
of the food?

how do you propose weighing the water in your food separately?

If it is added, it's simple. If it is chemically bound, it's much
harder.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991014.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 8:04:10 -0500, Mu_n Over Eugenia wrote
(in message ):

snip

Here's where you get to apply, in time, an Ounce Of Common Sense.

Here's an "Ounce of Common Sense" for you:

Does it make "Common Sense" to you that two pounds of food is the right
amount for everbody? Doesn=B9t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an
80 year old man; a 5=B9 2" woman or a 7=B9 man; a weight lifter or a
mattress tester. Two pounds. That=B9s it. No more, less if you want.
One size fits all.

Humble is my middle name,

--
Steve

Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

Mu_n Over Eugenia wrote:

::: The same
::: is probably true for a lot of foods. If you have a food dehydrating
::: machine, you could just dry everything out and be able to eat quite
::: a bit more food, right?
::
:: Yes, you could.
::

Are you saying that one take 2 pounds of dry pasta, hydrate it, and eat that
on the 2pd?

Where does the volume measuring begin? 2 pounds of hydrated paste has has
less volume than 2 pounds of dry pasta that then has been rehydrated.