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It seems that other diets are implementing the low carb life also yet many
critisize dr atkins. Do others notice this? -- ======================= http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com http://www.dietaatkins.com ======================= |
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cc0104007 wrote:
It seems that other diets are implementing the low carb life also yet many critisize dr atkins. Do others notice this? It's because it's trendy. A lot of people like to say they are low-carbing, but only really taking off the bread and pasta. It's kind of like vegetarians who still eat chicken and fish. They like the way the term sounds rolling off their tongues, but ask them to stop eating fish and chicken and they'll freak ;-) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0405CARBS05.html is an article which discusses this very topic. Many people who claim to be low-carbing or "On Atkins" haven't really read the book and don't really have an educated understanding of what it's all about or *why* it works. Low-carbing has it's place. I am on a low-carb diet myself. It attacks a *specific* problem (insulin problems or carbohydrate addiction) and is not necessarily for "everyone". CM |
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cc0104007 wrote:
It seems that other diets are implementing the low carb life also yet many critisize dr atkins. Do others notice this? Notice carefully the change of topic in the middle: "It seems that other diets are implementing the low carb life style also" Right. Because it works for a *lot* of people. Not everyone, nothing works for everyone. But a large percentage of the population. "yet many critisize dr atkins" Right. Notice that your statement isn't other plans criticizing Dr A, it's random people doing that. Folks who've actually read the book and know the contents have troubles finding stuff to complain about. Not much to fault about being pressured to eat lots of veggies and finding exactly what works for your own body after all. Are there other low carb plans that criticize Atkins? I've only skimmed SBD so far so I could easily have missed it, but I didn't notice any mention at all. PP is careful to ignore Atkins. CAD has a brief mention that Dr Rachel Heller failed to follow the directions when she tried Atkins but that's hardly a complaint about Atkins itself. But folks on the street who haven't even read the book, they love to rag on Atkins. Such is life. Actually reading those nasty book things is just so much hard work for some people. Think of it as a way to filter on some combination of intelligence and motivation levels. |
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Over against the fact that the ONLY clinical
studies done about Atkins were short term only, and were funded by the Atkins foundation, and no independent studies find that it is anything other than another way of reducing calories. Also, typical of most program diets, people regain the weight when they switch back off it. Start a healthy lifestyle of exercise and eating right. You could avoid $6,000 or more a year in the cost of drugs and medical procedures this way. "Stan" wrote in message ... On 7 Apr 2004 13:37:54 -0700, (Doug Freyburger) wrote: Are there other low carb plans that criticize Atkins? I've only skimmed SBD so far so I could easily have missed it, but I didn't notice any mention at all. Agatston is very respectful of Atkins' work. I don't remember exactly what he said, but his only mention of Atkins was favorable. Stan |
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Patricia Heil wrote:
no independent studies find that it is anything other than another way of reducing calories. You say that like it's a bad thing Yep, the calories are reduced, greatly. No, I don't FEEL like I am on a calorie-reduced diet. This goes against the religion of "you must suffer in order to lose weight". I feel so good! I am never famished and watching the clock waiting for my next meal! My diet is largely leafy greens, some proteins (mostly fish/eggs/poultry), good oils like olive oil, and a bit of fruit and dairy. ("Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as fruit on a low carb diet"). Any of the fluff and frills of standard diets don't suit me very much. I don't need the confirmation of any "studies" to know that for ME, I am no longer walking around feeling "foggy", I no longer need to go near the antacid aisle, and I feel energetic. The fact that the calories are reduced is a GOOD thing. It's nice to be able to have a plate of fish and salad and be able to stop there in mixed company without even TRYING. I remember eating things like spaghetti in the past and wonder how on EARTH the person sitting beside me felt "full" after half a plate! Low-carb dieting has re-introduced the whole POINT of food, that is to *satisfy* hunger (as opposed to make me even hungrier), and nourish (as opposed to consuming a bunch of junky empty calorie food). Food has to be filling and actually COUNT, for me to consider it at all. Low carb way of life (which I stumbled upon completely by ACCIDENT) has changed my whole mindset about food. Cheers CM |
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"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
news Patricia Heil wrote: You say that like it's a bad thing Yep, the calories are reduced, greatly. No, I don't FEEL like I am on a calorie-reduced diet. This is because some people still claim that low carb is working some kind of magic that allows to you to lose weight without any kind of restriction. So, yes, saying that low carb works by reducing the total amount of calories is meaningfull. Most of the people around here seems to at least understand that, but in the big outside world, many people (and ads) still believe in that kind of magic thinking : eat as much as you want, as long as you eat no carb. This goes against the religion of "you must suffer in order to lose weight". I don't believe in this religion. I don't "believe" in Aktins either. You might say I'm a diet atheist. I feel so good! I am never famished and watching the clock waiting for my next meal! My diet is largely leafy greens, some proteins (mostly fish/eggs/poultry), good oils like olive oil, and a bit of fruit and dairy. ("Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as fruit on a low carb diet"). Any of the fluff and frills of standard diets don't suit me very much. I eat about the same things as you do, except I also eat red meat and carbs (rice, pasta...). The idea of cutting one part of the nutriment from my food not only seems unhealthy to me, but it would also mean never eating again most of the cultural food that is available to me in my area. So, I was able to eat paella at dinner yesterday, something that would be possible neither under low carb (the rice - unless you're a glycemic low carb and consider that paella has a reasonnable glycemic index) or low fat (paella without olive oil and chorizo is just not paella). I guess weight-watcher, the Zone or whatever is trendy right now wouldn't allow that kind of meal. And that's my main problem with most diets. If I'm going to do something for the rest of my life, I don't want it to go in the way of my enjoyment or social life. And I don't find farmished either. I don't spend my time watching for the next meal - unless I intend to cook something trully delicious. If I feel hungry, I just eat. And if I don't feel hungry at the next meal, I just pass it. And I still lose weight at a decent rate (actually, a little on the too fast side according to my nutritionist) and my blood values have all improved a lot during the last two months. I don't need the confirmation of any "studies" to know that for ME, I am no longer walking around feeling "foggy", I no longer need to go near the antacid aisle, and I feel energetic. The fact that the calories are reduced is a GOOD thing. Since there is no over real way to lose weight, yes, it's a good thing. It's also nice that you are feeling good on your diet, that's still an improvement compared to other diets. But you're still on a diet, there is some food you're not allowed to eat (and thus risk bingeing on, or re-carbing as some call it), food that you might have liked. It's nice to be able to have a plate of fish and salad and be able to stop there in mixed company without even TRYING. Yes, it's very nice for you. Actually, that's one of the benefit I will give to low carb : it cancelled some of the anti-fat mania that is still the norm. The problem is that it did that with starting another mania. So, you can eat your fish, and you are able to stop, and this is a nice thing when you're having dinner with your friends. But what if your friends have prepared a paella? Or couscous? How do you handle that? Do you ask your friend to prepare special food for you? Do you bring you own? You can't imagine the freedom there is when you are going to have dinner with your friend, and the only reason you are worried about what they have cooked is when it comes to pick the proper wine to go with it... I remember eating things like spaghetti in the past and wonder how on EARTH the person sitting beside me felt "full" after half a plate! Yes, I remember that too. Actually, I was thinking exactly the same about my paella yesterday. Three months ago, the whole 1kg (2.2lbs) package would be shared between my girlfriend and myself - and once I had finished my half, I would finish the leftovers from my girlfriend. Yesterday, we just cooked half the package, and my own portion was plenty enough. Before, I still had room for some cheese, and then a dessert. Yesterday, I just felt full. Actually, I now have troubles understanding how the hell I did manage to eat that much. Depending on what's on your spaghetti, I would probably feel full after half the plate. Or maybe, if I had had no starter, I would actually eat the full plate and then have no room next for neither cheese nor dessert. It's perfectly possible to feel full on spaghettis, especially if it's not plain no-butter spaghetti. I do agree that no fat spaghettis are neither fun nor satisfying. Low-carb dieting has re-introduced the whole POINT of food, that is to *satisfy* hunger (as opposed to make me even hungrier), and nourish (as opposed to consuming a bunch of junky empty calorie food). That's something I can credit low carb with. Let's say that after a period of crazy diets, low carb is only half-crazy... But you forgot the third point of food : satisfying your pleasure. I wouldn't like the fact of throwing away 90% of the gastronomy of my country in the name of a diet. Food has to be filling and actually COUNT, for me to consider it at all. Low carb way of life (which I stumbled upon completely by ACCIDENT) has changed my whole mindset about food. Totally agreed. Except I don't think you need low carb to accomplish that. Low fat certainly is neither filling nor satisfying. Low fat often tastes bland. It's also often unhealthy, because many low fat industrial meals are stuffed with trans fat and chemicals to give them enough texture and because you do need fat (for vitamins, essential fatty acids...). But the fact that low fat is bad is not a reason to switch all the way to the other extreme. The fact that low fat is bad is just a reason to drop it in favor of a trully balanced diet (though I do agree that cutting a bit on the high glycemic index stuff a bit doesn't hurt). |
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Start a healthy lifestyle of exercise and eating right. You could avoid $6,000 or more a year in the cost of drugs and medical procedures this way. I would like to know what eating right is??? that's up for debate. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:45:22 GMT, Steve Knight
wrote: Start a healthy lifestyle of exercise and eating right. You could avoid $6,000 or more a year in the cost of drugs and medical procedures this way. I would like to know what eating right is??? that's up for debate. Oh! Oh! I know this! Pick me! I'm eating right. I'm eating eggs and whole wheat bread and asparagus and apples and roast beef and chicken and salmon and cabbage and lowfat milk and cheese and beans and lots of other good stuff. I cook with olive oil, or, when necessary, peanut oil. I'm following the South Beach Diet. Stan |
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Steve Knight wrote:
I would like to know what eating right is? Poor disadvantaged right handed folks looking at some chopsticks and wondering what to do, in this leftie's opinion ;^) There is no one "right" way to eat. Diets that lead to healthy populations run from almost 100% raw meat among the few Eskimos and Inuits who still live the traditional hunting lifestyle to nearly 100% root vegitables among mountain dwelling subsistance farmers. This is why both low carb and low fat diets work for some percentage of the population. But there are certain common trends. The more variety the better. Eating naturally occuring (pre domestication) foods beats eating domesticated foods beats factory produced foods. Having the option to eat until stuffed at any time of any day is a problem. Systems of eating that include a lot of walking to get to the food beat systems with a conveyor belt so you never have to get off the sofa. Stuff like that. |
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