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Old April 7th, 2004, 08:18 PM
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Default You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.

"marengo" wrote in message ws.com...
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| Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web....


Are you that "Mango" person from Saturday Night Live?

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Old April 7th, 2004, 09:04 PM
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All of this is WILD!

I appreciate that someone noticed that fat content of foods DOES matter a
great deal for satiety. People are programmed to want fat as a matter of
survival, just like they want and need salt. (Excess salt is excreted in
the urine unless you are one of the tiny minority who are broken.)

I also agree with the assessment of fervor present in the crazy man. It has
been noticed before that some people who seem to crave attention to an
inordinate extent pick up on religious type issues to throw in front of the
rest of humanity, claiming the higher moral ground, and insiting that people
listen and pay attention. This includes a whole lot of bible thumpers, fire
and brimstone preachers, medicine men, snake oil salemen, environmentalists
and, alas, it seems the diet police!

The FED told people that salt was bad for them based on statistical studies
that found athat very tiny subset of humanity was being given high blood
pressure from consuming salt. They took that probability and whipped into a
"risk" to the general population. On this basis they said that everyone
should cut out salt. It was a stupid misapplication of actuarial data to
science. They neglected to notice that if you removed those with kidney
problems from consideration that there were NO bad effects from consuming
salt. About 1998 or so they, rather quietly, put out retractions to their
years earlier advice to eschew salt. It seems that people were ending up in
emergency rooms in increasing numbers with fairly serious medical problems
from too little sodium.

So without even passing laws, the crazies have had a bad effect.

And now the PETAs and the other do-gooders have goose poop everywhere, deer
eating the azaleas in the front yard, and cougars stalking people in town.
One local gradeschool has been keeping kids in from recess because of cougar
sightings in town near the school.

We are increasingly finding that these attention seekers are just that. The
supposed facts they tout are just so much pap, tripe, words crafted to
command attention without any real basis in fact.

Laurence




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Old April 7th, 2004, 09:18 PM
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In article , normal-
says...
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:35:18 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web....


LOL! Did you not bother to read the article and see that it supports
Atkins and a low-carb way of eating?

Priscilla


Yeah right.... Especially the part about his clogged arteries and
heart problems. That definately supports his diet (if you're
suicidal).


Atkins had cardiomyopathy caused by a virus. His ARTERIES, OTOH were relatively
clear. In any case, it had NOTHING to do with his death. He was 195 lbs when he
was admitted to the hospital after sustaining a massive HEAD WOUND after slipping
on the ice. He bloated up to 258 lbs DURING his stay in the hospital as his
major organs started to shut down.

Let's try an experiment: you have someone shove you REALLY hard (that should be
EASY to persuade someone to do) so that you fall and hit YOUR head on the
sidewalk and sustain a MASSIVE head wound. If, while in a coma, your body
freakishly swells up with excess fluid before you die a week or so later due to
massive organ failure, we were right; if not, we'll all agree that YOU were
right. It's a win-win situation. So, go ahead and put your money where your
mouth is -- PROVE us wrong by EXAMPLE.

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Saffire
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Old April 7th, 2004, 09:27 PM
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:33:36 +0200, Mirek Fidler wrote:


píse v diskusním príspevku
...

I miss her greatly, but I miss the way she was before she got
brainwashed by the Atkins cult. I do not miss the later. I, with the
help of her doctors tried to get her into a mental health center to
deprogram her, but she refused all treatment. So, while I do miss my
beloved wife and the 19 years of good times we had, I do not miss the
last year of hell I spent with her. I married her for "better or
worse", and I tried to stick with her during the "worse", but she was
no longer the same person, and her compusion has destroyed everything
she was. I'd go back with her in a split second, if she was to go
back to her old self, but I know there is no longer any hope for her.
Yeah, she lost weight, but she also lost her spirit, lost her mind,
and lost herself. Because of that, I lost her.

So you wonder why I came to this newsgroup?
Lets call it research.....


Well, now I understand your intentions and feel sorry for you - that is
IF what you write is true.

Why have not you write this story in first? Your previous posts looked
like another PETA trolling.

I am afraid you probably will not convince most of people (including me)
to quit, but I think you would be welcomed and your story discussed - if
that is what you want.

Mirek



What? His former wife went on Atkins, lost weight, and improved her life,
and he wants what? What kind of "compulsion" did she have? To eat meat?

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Old April 7th, 2004, 09:33 PM
Mirek Fidler
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píse v diskusním príspevku
...

I miss her greatly, but I miss the way she was before she got
brainwashed by the Atkins cult. I do not miss the later. I, with the
help of her doctors tried to get her into a mental health center to
deprogram her, but she refused all treatment. So, while I do miss my
beloved wife and the 19 years of good times we had, I do not miss the
last year of hell I spent with her. I married her for "better or
worse", and I tried to stick with her during the "worse", but she was
no longer the same person, and her compusion has destroyed everything
she was. I'd go back with her in a split second, if she was to go
back to her old self, but I know there is no longer any hope for her.
Yeah, she lost weight, but she also lost her spirit, lost her mind,
and lost herself. Because of that, I lost her.

So you wonder why I came to this newsgroup?
Lets call it research.....


Well, now I understand your intentions and feel sorry for you - that is
IF what you write is true.

Why have not you write this story in first? Your previous posts looked
like another PETA trolling.

I am afraid you probably will not convince most of people (including me)
to quit, but I think you would be welcomed and your story discussed - if
that is what you want.

Mirek


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Old April 7th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Mirek Fidler
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"Bob in CT" pí¨e v diskusním príspevku
news
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:33:36 +0200, Mirek Fidler wrote:

What? His former wife went on Atkins, lost weight, and improved her

life,
and he wants what? What kind of "compulsion" did she have? To eat

meat?

Be fair. There is a difference between 17 year PETA troll and desperate
divorced man.

And, in fact, I would like to know details - to learn from them. Like
what garbage food his wife cooked, what medical problems she had etc. It
is also worth examining whether there is not something like "LC
anorexy". I would also like to know what happened to her next (whether
she really improved her life) and perhaps what is weight of OP.

Let him speak (if he wants), this might be interesting.

Mirek


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Old April 7th, 2004, 10:14 PM
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Well it sounds like you or your ex-wife was mentally ill(according to
your opinion alone). It had nothing to do with the diet. You couldn't
stand to kiss her because she smelled so bad... way to support your
wife while she fights obesity. Many of us know to look at both sides.
Maybe you liked a fat wife who was probably miserable inside. SHe
didn't want to be with you and go out with you--maybe her eyes were
opening. Her dropping weight may have caused you to obsess about
Atkins since it cost you a dependent woman. We come across all types
on the internet.

I know well about mental illness. I have four life-long mentally ill
siblings who are still alive. Another dead, and a mother who is
psychologically very frail and losing memory. They obsess about a
variety of things as if they are the only important things in the
world. Angels (not god, Angels), exercise, a multitude of diets, hair
loss, making lists, keeping things clean, buy things to sell them then
buy them again, feeding people, writing the same things over and over.
It is not these tasks that are "evil". It is mental illness. The fact
that you blame everything in your wife's life and apparently yours on
Atkins, means you probably need to check yourself into a therapist's
office.

You will attach yourself to any one or any article that agrees with
you. You failed to locate the multitude of webpages that discuss the
clinical studies that show atkins was correct.

And none of them show that Atkins causes mental illness or cults--as
you continue to twaddle about.

You have formed your own cult--the Atkins Haters Club and no amount of
words could dissuade you from your self-imposed delusion.


DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/304/Apr-299/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-50 carbs/day (CCLL=?)
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Old April 7th, 2004, 10:30 PM
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Mirek Fidler wrote:
píse v diskusním príspevku
...

I miss her greatly, but I miss the way she was before she got
brainwashed by the Atkins cult. I do not miss the later. I, with
the help of her doctors tried to get her into a mental health center
to deprogram her, but she refused all treatment. So, while I do
miss my beloved wife and the 19 years of good times we had, I do not
miss the last year of hell I spent with her. I married her for
"better or worse", and I tried to stick with her during the "worse",
but she was no longer the same person, and her compusion has
destroyed everything she was. I'd go back with her in a split
second, if she was to go back to her old self, but I know there is
no longer any hope for her. Yeah, she lost weight, but she also lost
her spirit, lost her mind, and lost herself. Because of that, I
lost her.

So you wonder why I came to this newsgroup?
Lets call it research.....


Well, now I understand your intentions and feel sorry for you - that
is IF what you write is true.

Why have not you write this story in first? Your previous posts looked
like another PETA trolling.

I am afraid you probably will not convince most of people (including
me) to quit, but I think you would be welcomed and your story
discussed - if that is what you want.

Mirek


Oh, good lord, you believe this crap? Don't -- don't waste your kindness
and sympathy on that troll.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL



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Old April 7th, 2004, 11:09 PM
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DigitalVinyl wrote:

Well it sounds like you or your ex-wife was mentally ill(according to
your opinion alone). It had nothing to do with the diet. You couldn't
stand to kiss her because she smelled so bad... way to support your
wife while she fights obesity. Many of us know to look at both sides.
Maybe you liked a fat wife who was probably miserable inside. SHe
didn't want to be with you and go out with you--maybe her eyes were
opening. Her dropping weight may have caused you to obsess about
Atkins since it cost you a dependent woman. We come across all types
on the internet.


*Some* people on low-carb sound cultish. The whole deal with quoting
chapter and verse from low-carb books is a bit weird, rather like people
quoting scripture. Sometimes people "argue" by quoting Atkins rather
than research cites or even plain old common sense. I can see where it
could sound that way to an outsider, heck it sounds sorta cultish to me
sometimes.

On the other hand, I'm diabetic so my choice is between low-carbing for
life or continual deterioration of my health and an early death. It
doesn't matter if low-carb is popular in a faddish sense, if some
low-carbers are silly or cultish. This is my life at stake... and I'd
rather risk being "lumped in" with the fads, silliness and cults than
risk blindness, amputation, heart disease, kidney disease and premature
death.

That the troll's ex-wife chose her health and fitness over drinking in
bars every weekend and being kiss-able strikes me as a quite sane choice
on her part; that she continued to make that choice in the face of an
ultimatum seems the only reasonable course of action.

I can't imagine choosing to ruin my health for the sake of someone who
claimed to love me if their "love" required me to risk my health and
life. That's just an insane request to make of anyone and a ridiculous
degree of hubris is required to think your pleasure should be valued
more to someone than their own life.

I'd not hesitate to stand between a bullet and either my husband or
daughter to protect them, because I love them. But if they asked me to
get shot just as a precondition of the relationship cause they liked me
better that way, they'd have to be told to **** off.

Not that they'd ever ask something so stupid in the first place since
they both genuinely love me.

The troll claims to loved his wife and divorced her because she wouldn't
do what he wanted - there is no way to reconcile those statements in my
mind.

 




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