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Old September 24th, 2003, 08:16 AM
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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I think it possible for someone to be against the practice of a lifestyle
(that being homosexuality) but yet not be "against" those who practice

that
lifestyle. Also, some of those that I know of don't feel superior to
anyone, they view themselves as having a mission....


I really don't want to put any more time into this thread because it's so
off-topic and controversial, so this will be my last post on the subject. I
just want to add a couple of things:

1. Just a general thought that sums up my POV on things like this: Not to
preach, but I'm a Christian who was taught from an early age that it's our
job to simply love, not to judge. We're told to "love your neighbor as
yourself," and to "judge not lest ye be judged yourself." Whatever the
"mission," people are won over by caring, concern, acceptance and love, not
by condemnation, suspicion, abasing and disdain.
2. Everything that I post has an implied "IMHO!" I don't presume that my
POV is the only one, and I don't want to offend anyone here -- we all have a
common bond in our weight challenges and to me that is more important than
our differences. :-)
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Old September 24th, 2003, 08:40 AM
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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I would not call it superiority per se, but more the notion that they have
something that everyone else really needs, but they just don't know it.


I agree with this. The unfortunate thing is that so many who have that
"something" condemn others for not having it, rather than share it. And
since that "something" is forgiveness, it's ironic that so many who have
been forgiven by the unconditional love in their religion don't seem very
quick to extend that same forgiveness and unconditional love to others. So
regardless of what may be in their hearts, they drive away with words and
actions the very people whom they desire to draw in.
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Old September 24th, 2003, 09:57 AM
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marengo marengo spake thusly:

I agree with this. The unfortunate thing is that so many who have that
"something" condemn others for not having it, rather than share it. And
since that "something" is forgiveness, it's ironic that so many who have
been forgiven by the unconditional love in their religion don't seem very
quick to extend that same forgiveness and unconditional love to others.
So regardless of what may be in their hearts, they drive away with words
and actions the very people whom they desire to draw in.


Exactly. There are ming bogglingly huge number of Christians that don't
seem to understand that God is the one and only judge, not them. It makes
it so hard on those of us who do realize because before we can even think of
being able to share what we have with people, we often have to work through
people's bad impressions gotten from past bad experiences with so called
Christians.

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Old September 24th, 2003, 02:50 PM
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marengo wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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::: I think it possible for someone to be against the practice of a
::: lifestyle (that being homosexuality) but yet not be "against" those
::: who practice that lifestyle. Also, some of those that I know of
::: don't feel superior to anyone, they view themselves as having a
::: mission....
:::
::
:: I really don't want to put any more time into this thread because
:: it's so off-topic and controversial, so this will be my last post on
:: the subject. I just want to add a couple of things:
::
:: 1. Just a general thought that sums up my POV on things like this:
:: Not to preach, but I'm a Christian who was taught from an early age
:: that it's our job to simply love, not to judge. We're told to "love
:: your neighbor as yourself," and to "judge not lest ye be judged
:: yourself." Whatever the "mission," people are won over by caring,
:: concern, acceptance and love, not by condemnation, suspicion,
:: abasing and disdain.

I agree completely!

:: 2. Everything that I post has an implied "IMHO!" I don't presume
:: that my POV is the only one, and I don't want to offend anyone here
:: -- we all have a common bond in our weight challenges and to me that
:: is more important than our differences. :-)

Same here, except that I was just pointing out how I *preceive* some people
to think, not how I think.

Take care!


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Old September 24th, 2003, 02:53 PM
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marengo wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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::: I would not call it superiority per se, but more the notion that
::: they have something that everyone else really needs, but they just
::: don't know it.
::
:: I agree with this. The unfortunate thing is that so many who have
:: that "something" condemn others for not having it, rather than share
:: it. And since that "something" is forgiveness, it's ironic that so
:: many who have been forgiven by the unconditional love in their
:: religion don't seem very quick to extend that same forgiveness and
:: unconditional love to others. So regardless of what may be in their
:: hearts, they drive away with words and actions the very people whom
:: they desire to draw in. --

Again, I agree with you. It is unfortunate that *many* people have
forgotten their true mission. However, not all have, at least in my
experience.


:: Peter
:: website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo


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Old September 24th, 2003, 02:54 PM
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Indigo Moon Man wrote:
:: marengo marengo spake thusly:
:::
::: I agree with this. The unfortunate thing is that so many who have
::: that "something" condemn others for not having it, rather than
::: share it. And since that "something" is forgiveness, it's ironic
::: that so many who have been forgiven by the unconditional love in
::: their religion don't seem very quick to extend that same
::: forgiveness and unconditional love to others. So regardless of what
::: may be in their hearts, they drive away with words and actions the
::: very people whom they desire to draw in.
::
:: Exactly. There are ming bogglingly huge number of Christians that
:: don't seem to understand that God is the one and only judge, not
:: them. It makes it so hard on those of us who do realize because
:: before we can even think of being able to share what we have with
:: people, we often have to work through people's bad impressions
:: gotten from past bad experiences with so called Christians.
::

That is so true!


 




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