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Old November 9th, 2003, 04:48 PM
Dave
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"MadRedHatter" wrote in message
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| Eat sensibly. Exercise regularly. Burn more calories then you take in.
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| Why fall for the fad diet de jour?
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That's excellent advice, IMO. Fads come and go. Your body needs the right
blend of nutrients along with the calories. Shorting good things by loading
up on others (good and/or bad) may have longer term problems. If you limit
fats, eat plenty of fiber, and balance the rest of your intake to make sure
you feed substantially on the proper nutrients, you'll get into better
health/shape.

Take a look at your waist to hip ratio (waist divided by hips). Males should
be less than 1 (your hips should be 'bigger' than your waist). Get a feel
for your body type (small, medium, or large frame) and check that against
your weight. Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.

One pound equates to about 3,500 calories. If you cut 500 calories per day
from your diet, you should lose one pound in 7 days. 500 calories is like
cutting out the equivalent of 5 pieces of bread - not much. Add to that some
exercise (walk for 45 minutes and cover 2 miles say, and burn a couple
hundred more calories) and not only will you drop more weight, but you will
exercise one of the most important muscles in your body - your heart.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 05:29 PM
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Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.



And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 05:38 PM
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In article ,
Patricia Heil wrote:

Don't go Atkins. Replace the sugar in your diet with things like
fruit, which are sweet but have complex sugars. They also
have nutrients, which refined sugar does not. They also have
fiber which will help you feel full longer. Make sure you
get plenty of veg which also have nutrients and fiber. Try

[snip the insanity]

I recently posted here that one of my concerns with Atkins is
that 68% of those who tried it, in one clinical study, wound up
constipated. That is bad for long term health. Removing fiber
from the diet demonstrably leads to colo-rectal cancer, the
third leading cancer killer behind lung cancer and prostate cancer,
and therefore the #2 preventable killer cancer. I even have
anecdotal evidence, a friend of mine was unable to tolerate any
fiber in her diet and she died about 20 years ago from colo-rectal
cancer at the age of only about 40.


Do you have even the foggiest notion of what the Atkins plan entails?
Have you read even page one of the book? I ate more vegetables and fiber
last WEEK than I did in a month before Atkins.

Remember the scene in "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" where Jim Carrey's
character talks out of his ass? Well, you can turn around now, stop
speaking, and learn something, 'cause I'm only going to say this once.

Do you really think all we do is cut the fat off the bacon and slather
it in butter before eating it raw? God, how thick can you be? Cutting
the carbs to under 20g is simply a tool to jump-start the process for a
short time in the beginning. I'm somewhere around 60-70g a day and have
been for over a year.

Here's what I ate yesterday on the evil, death causing Atkins diet:
(around 50-60g carbs and maybe 1900 calories)

BREAKFAST (daily)
1 cup of full-fat yogurt (oh, God...my heart....aaacck)
26g of extra-fiber All-Bran
2 cups of home-roasted coffee with cream and Splenda
(14g carbs)

SNACK
2 oz of mozzarella cheese
(2g carbs)

LUNCH
Broccoli-slaw salad
100g broccoli-slaw (broccoli/a few carrots, red cabbage)
2 oz smoked ham
1 oz feta cheese
75g grape tomatoes
1 oz slivered almonds
2 T balsamic vinegar
curry powder, lemon grass, sea-salt
(15g carbs)

DINNER
Stir-Fry
2 T olive oil
175g chicken breast
100g broccoli (like it a lot)
75g mushrooms
1oz blue cheese
50g red pepper
50g grape tomatoes
(10g carbs)

1 glass white merlot (too sweet, but OK)
1 cup of home-roasted coffee with cream and Splenda
100g strawberries
(10g carbs)

This is some variation of what I eat daily. I don't eat grains, pasta,
sugar, potatoes, corn, sugary fruits like apples and bananas, and other
food bombs loaded with carbs. I also haven't had a slice of bacon in two
months and eat beef about once every two weeks. I eat salmon, chicken,
turkey, lamb, other fish, plus tons of vegetables (broccoli,
cauliflower, beans, lettuces, asparagus). I eat all types of berries and
melons. I love nuts but try to stay reasonable. Yes, I eat low-carb
treats sometimes because I have a sweet tooth, but the "side-effects"
(or would that be "rear effects") of sugar alcohols are fairly
self-regulating.

And a few little side-benefits of losing this weight? BP from 145/95 to
110/68. Resting pulse from 90 to 64. Fatty liver disease-gone. Joint
pain-gone. Snoring-gone. Acid-reflux disease-gone. Cholesterol-normal.
Clothes-they fit. Food bills-lower, since I'm not buying crap four
nights a week after dinner.

Please... I would never deride your decision to go low-fat if it works
for you, so don't even begin to think you know the first damn thing
about what low-carb really is. How about this....when the mass media
gets it right the first time about low-carb, I'll let you know, and THEN
you can draw conclusions based on what Oprah said yesterday.

BTW....I lost 110 pounds on Atkins and have kept it off for 13 months,
so thanks for playing.

--
Wayne Crannell
Atkins+ 10/27/01
Maintenance 10/1/02
250/138
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Old November 9th, 2003, 06:53 PM
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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| Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
| categorized as obese.
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| And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?
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| Idiot.
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Still categorized as obese... learn to read.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 06:59 PM
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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| Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
| categorized as obese.
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| And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?
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| Idiot.
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Still categorized as obese... learn to read.



Now you've gone beyond idiocy into moronville.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 07:04 PM
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He's asking for info on Atkins, not info on how to ween yourself into
a sickly vegetarian.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 09:01:17 -0500, Patricia Heil
wrote:


Don't go Atkins. Replace the sugar in your diet with things like
fruit, which are sweet but have complex sugars. They also
have nutrients, which refined sugar does not. They also have
fiber which will help you feel full longer. Make sure you
get plenty of veg which also have nutrients and fiber. Try
to replace some of your meat with dried beans/split peas/
lentils; it will lower the fat in your diet, increase the fiber,
provide protein, iron (although low-absorption), and help
lower your LDL. Beans are also cheaper than meat. You can
also use tofu instead of meat in stir-fries. Another trick is
to use eggplant in your ragu sauce instead of meat.

For example, if you usually use 2 pounds of meat to a bag of kidney
beans in your chili, use 1 pound of meat to a bag; also make sure the
meat is low-fat, such as extra lean ground beef, or well trimmed stew
beef. And DON'T
add cheese to your chili. DO add lots of garlic and jalapenos for
the flavor, as well as onions.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 09:06 PM
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Vegetarian wrote:

JC Der Koenig wrote:
Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which
is categorized as obese.


And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.


I highly doubt that having this pile of useless, worthless
muscles is doing anything good for his health. Having a BMI
of 32 is bad. Being fat at BMI 32 is horrible, being
muscular at BMI 32 is not that great either.


References? Can you point to any peer-reviewed studies that
indicate that "excess" muscle mass raises health risk? BMI is
used as a simple-minded proxy for BF% because, in the broad
cross-section of society, people with high BMI have high BF.
It is an unwarranted leap to conclude that high BMI with low
BF% causes health risk.

Some dumbo bodybuilders think that by growing muscles, they
are doing themselves a favor. One needs to only look at
their IQ to realize that it is not the case and that they
are not benefitting.


Fascinating. Please describe the process by which you
conflated an interest in hypertropy with a lack of IQ.

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Old November 9th, 2003, 09:08 PM
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"Patricia Heil" wrote in message
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I recently posted here that one of my concerns with Atkins is
that 68% of those who tried it, in one clinical study, wound up
constipated.


And how long was this study? Did they ever get past the first phase?
That is kind of important, as you move past induction, which is
supposed to last 2 weeks only, you are supposed to begin eating more
vegetables, and less of other things. Two weeks is not long enough to
give you long term problems, and any study that focuses on the
begining stage as if it is the whole diet is worthless as a source of
information.


That is bad for long term health. Removing fiber
from the diet demonstrably leads to colo-rectal cancer, the
third leading cancer killer behind lung cancer and prostate cancer,
and therefore the #2 preventable killer cancer.


Atkins goes out of it's way to insist on lots of fiber-- and in the
two week beiginning phase if you do not eat enough fiberous
vegetables, you are supposed to ease the *temporary* situation with
fiber supplements.


I even have
anecdotal evidence, a friend of mine was unable to tolerate any
fiber in her diet and she died about 20 years ago from colo-rectal
cancer at the age of only about 40.


I'm terribly sorry for your loss. But really you are arguing a
strawman. Atkins is not a no fiber/ no veggie diet.

revek



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Old November 9th, 2003, 09:32 PM
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"Vegetarian" wrote in message
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In article , JC Der Koenig

wrote:
Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.



And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.



I highly doubt that having this pile of useless, worthless muscles is
doing anything good for his health. Having a BMI of 32 is bad. Being
fat at BMI 32 is horrible, being muscular at BMI 32 is not that great
either.

Some dumbo bodybuilders think that by growing muscles, they are doing
themselves a favor. One needs to only look at their IQ to realize that
it is not the case and that they are not benefitting.

John.


I've been laboring under the misconception that any correlation between
muscularity and intelligence is strictly coincidental. Would you care to
cite any studies that back up your gay little hypothesis?



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Old November 9th, 2003, 09:58 PM
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Wayne S. Hill wrote:
Vegetarian wrote:


JC Der Koenig wrote:

Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which
is categorized as obese.

And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.


I highly doubt that having this pile of useless, worthless
muscles is doing anything good for his health. Having a BMI
of 32 is bad. Being fat at BMI 32 is horrible, being
muscular at BMI 32 is not that great either.



References? Can you point to any peer-reviewed studies that
indicate that "excess" muscle mass raises health risk? BMI is
used as a simple-minded proxy for BF% because, in the broad
cross-section of society, people with high BMI have high BF.
It is an unwarranted leap to conclude that high BMI with low
BF% causes health risk.


Some dumbo bodybuilders think that by growing muscles, they
are doing themselves a favor. One needs to only look at
their IQ to realize that it is not the case and that they
are not benefitting.



Fascinating. Please describe the process by which you
conflated an interest in hypertropy with a lack of IQ.


I'm far more interested in reading how the bbers all thought they would
get smarter as hypertrophy was realized. I had no idea intelligence
increase was the goal; I didn't even know IQ _could_ be increased by
adding muscle.

Silly me.

Maybe it's all that meat that makes them stoopid? Or, perhaps,
arguably, a lack of dietary meat has rendered "Vegetarian" logially inept?

Kalo

 




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