I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:56:56 -0500, "DoughBoy"
announced in front of God and
everybody:

Have you given yourself enough time to get over your addiction (say, 2
weeks)? Those cravings just go away. Now, even though the though of eating
some dark chocolate kit-kats sets the saliva running, I know that I can't
have it. That is that. I won't replace it with unsweetened chocolate and
some splenda.


On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating
for life.

You only think you do because you keep telling youself you can't do it
without them.

Let me see if I can be clear about this. Because obviously I wasn't
before.

If you go back and re-read my post, you may note that I said I lost 35
pounds without relying on SF desserts or meal bars or insta-shakes.
That's hardly "telling [myself I] can't do it without them."

Yeah, I lost the cravings. I still have no cravings ... as long as I
don't eat sugar.

Eating sugar-free chocolate doesn't give me cravings. It brings me
pleasure. It satisfies the part of me that wants to experience that
pleasure, without triggering out-of-control behavior.

It also keeps me from accepting the occasional proffered cookie or bit
of candy from unsuspecting friends ... thereby helping me to avoid
eating sugar. And cravings. And out-of-control behavior.

I agree with you that eating exactly the same thing every day is
easier than planning variety into meals. But I'll go you a step
further -- I refuse to live the rest of my life that way. I *can't*.
I'm a foodie and an ex-chef, and it's a deeply ingrained part of my
very nature to eat a wide variety of foods -- including chocolate now
and then.

For me, it's not about deluding myself into thinking I need something
I really don't. It's about understanding myself, my own needs, and MY
triggers.

I'm different from you. What works for you is great ... but you're not
me. And -- again, if you read what I wrote without making assumptions
-- you may notice that I use the word "occasional" to describe how
often I eat these things. I'm hardly convinced that "I can't do
without them."

How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with
"masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again.

/boggle

Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for
everybody, anyway.

I agree with that. Its just that moderation and common sense go out the
window when you start having 'just one more Low Carb (candy)bar'.

Again -- that's you. Your experience is not everyone's.

Dawn

DoughBoy wrote: (about coffee)
since. You don't need it. Stop telling yourself you need it.

There are some "wants" that come into the realm of "need".

My husband's home-roasted coffee is one of them. I'm sure that
I don't NEED it to keep existing, but it sure makes life a lot more
pleasant for me.

The difference between the crap one can buy in a can and even in
bulk at a "specialty" coffee shop and coffee that was roasted
*recently* well, there's NO comparison ;-)

I'm not into the fake foods (I've tried a few and ick blech), but I
can most certainly understand the reasoning behind those who do
have them from time to time.

CM

Hello i,

Just curious how your exercise routine is coming along? How many pull-ups
are you able to do consecutively? Just curious..

Paul

"Ignoramus25969" wrote in message
...
In article , jmk wrote:


On 1/27/2004 8:49 AM, Ignoramus14140 wrote:

It is obvious that my posts are my opinion.

And the fact that junk food is worthless food, is also a fact, not an
opinion.

OK, you advocate not eating junk food. Could you please post what you
do eat? For example, what's on today's menu? Perhaps you example could
be instructive to us so please be as specific as possible (not two
pounds of fresh vegetables, but the names of the vegetables and
quantities of each). Thanks!


This week only, I am logging my food into fitday because I want to
check if I get all vitamins etc from my food. I am trying to decide if
I need to take vitamin pills. So, I log all that I eat, with the
caveat that I eyeball all quantities instead of really weighing
them. So, maybe instead of 6 ounces of something I actually ate 5 or
7. Take quantities with a grain of salt if you wish.

I usually log everything in the morning -- stuff from last night, as
well as breakfast and the food I took with me to work for lunch. So,
in today's log, you will see my lunch food in addition to breakfast
food.

I am not doing this to show off, again, but to figure out how I meet
my nutrients. I asked sci.life-extension whether I need extra vitamins
and I will use this data to make conclusions.

Some foods are approximations. Example. I ate fried liver yesterday
(without breading). Could not find it in fitday and entered braised
liver.

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...?Owner=ichudov

i

Is this the reason you're still fat?

--
JC

Eat less, exercise more.

--
"Dawn Taylor" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:48:41 -0500, "DoughBoy"
announced in front of God and
everybody:


While I don't agree with his methods, I do whole-heartedly agree with the
message. I also fit into the catagory of *NEVER* eating a piece of junk
food. I've made a serious change to my lifestyle because of many
reasons...
numero uno being that I don't feel like dying. I'm not willing to
half-ass
it and cheat. Nobody NEEDS those cheat foods.

"Need" is open for interpretation. Do you need "junk foods" -- which
I'm taking to mean both processed LC products and foods eaten more for
psychological enjoyment than for nutrition -- for optimum health? Of
course not.

But eating isn't purely about fueling the body. If it were, we'd all
eat the same thing at every meal, every day. Food offers pleasure and
variety. Food can be fun. It's about balancing the fun and the common
sense.

Me, my "needs" are different from yours, which are different than
other posters'. I need coffee. Every morning. You may argue that I
don't literally NEED coffee to survive ... and I would grudgingly
agree with that. Semantically, anyway. But on a very basic,
fundamental level, I need my freakin' cup o' joe, dammit. Don;t tell
me any different -- because you have *no idea*.

When I started low-carbing, I didn't eat anything that smacked of
"treats" or echoed the junk foods I'd had problems with. I found
sugar-free Jell-O an inadequate substitute for real dessert and it
only made me crave the real thing more. Meal replacement bars were
disgusting. Ditto Atkins shake mix (gack).

After losing a fair amount of weight -- 35 pounds -- I discovered that
I was a happier girl if I occasionally had a SF chocolate bar or a
scoop of CarbSmart ice cream. I love food -- all sorts of food -- and
yeah, I have a lifelong sweet tooth and a real problem with sugar
addiction. If I eat something with sugar, anything at all, it can send
me off-track for days. But not the sugar-free stuff ... and having
soime of that a couple of times a week keeps me from saying yes to
something loaded with white sugar.

On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating
for life.

I've even come around on the protein bars. Every once in a while --
about once a month -- I find myself in a situation where a LC lunch is
difficult to acquire. But a bottle of water and a Carb Solutions bar
get me through until dinner. I wouldn't eat them every day -- they're
expensive and only moderately nutritious -- but they definitely have
their place.

Pretend they don't exist.
Instead of giving in to temptation of eating a scoop of ice cream... go
do
some activity that you enjoy... play a video game, masturbate, go play
shoot
some hoops, draw, whatever. Giving in to your temptations and letting
them
control you is indicative of a weak mind. Control your own body, don't
let
it control you.

How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with
"masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again.

Some might be able to have cheats and snacks. For many others it leads
further down the slippery slope that ends with a Big-Mac, Super-sized
fry,
jumbo coke, and a pint of Ben & Jerry's.

You;re absolutely right. But for others it keeps them from that
slippery slope by offering an alternative.

Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for
everybody, anyway.

Dawn

That's really good. Have you ever heard of kipping? I'm not sure that's
the correct spelling, but in the Marines they taught us a certain way to
swing the body in a steady motion while doing the pull-ups and it allows you
to get more pull-ups done. Keep up the good work.

Paul


"Ignoramus25969" wrote in message
...
In article , Paul wrote:
Hello i,

Just curious how your exercise routine is coming along? How many
pull-ups
are you able to do consecutively? Just curious..

I just tried, I can do 14 pullups.

i

Paul

"Ignoramus25969" wrote in message
...
In article , jmk wrote:


On 1/27/2004 8:49 AM, Ignoramus14140 wrote:

It is obvious that my posts are my opinion.

And the fact that junk food is worthless food, is also a fact, not
an
opinion.

OK, you advocate not eating junk food. Could you please post what
you
do eat? For example, what's on today's menu? Perhaps you example
could
be instructive to us so please be as specific as possible (not two
pounds of fresh vegetables, but the names of the vegetables and
quantities of each). Thanks!


This week only, I am logging my food into fitday because I want to
check if I get all vitamins etc from my food. I am trying to decide if
I need to take vitamin pills. So, I log all that I eat, with the
caveat that I eyeball all quantities instead of really weighing
them. So, maybe instead of 6 ounces of something I actually ate 5 or
7. Take quantities with a grain of salt if you wish.

I usually log everything in the morning -- stuff from last night, as
well as breakfast and the food I took with me to work for lunch. So,
in today's log, you will see my lunch food in addition to breakfast
food.

I am not doing this to show off, again, but to figure out how I meet
my nutrients. I asked sci.life-extension whether I need extra vitamins
and I will use this data to make conclusions.

Some foods are approximations. Example. I ate fried liver yesterday
(without breading). Could not find it in fitday and entered braised
liver.

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...?Owner=ichudov

i

Granted the effect on everyone will be different it has not affected me.

I only eat a few at a time (2 or 3 at most in an hour period) because of the
gas issues. some I can eat 5 or 6 in a day and have no problem. some if I
have 2 I am dead :-)

all in all I have noticed NO difference in my weight loss (down to 348 !!
finally broke 350 first time in at least 5 years !!)

I lost 4 pounds this past week. 3 the previous and 7 in the prior to that 12
days. (was in vegas at CES so I did a HUGE amount of walking which is what
helped that extra weight loss along)

I have gone a week with nearly no sugar alcohol and then I have gone a week
with lots of sugar alcohols and no effect so far (thankfully)

the ice cream is a killer. I have managed to stop myself at half of an
atkins endule pint thing. (I adjust the rest of my meals to keep under 30
carbs and 2000 calories as needed)

in fact I did this twice this past week and lost a pound more than last
time.

I do watch to be very careful with it though. I usually buy about $10 worth
of SF candy (5 or 6 bags) and that usually last me about 2 to 2.5 months or
so. I especially like the Life Savers one. VERY VERY smooth and good flavors
and so far no gas issues and it only makes me soft when I do a #2 no squirts
:-) hehehe

the breyers stuff tastes MAGNITUDES better than the atkins endulge stuff (I
only like the vanilla fudge stuff the others are horrible) but the atkins
stuff is easier to manage as far as how much I eat eat.

I am also fortunate in that I do not have cravings issues. at all.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/


On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some of which
I
am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar alcohols spike blood
sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's draconian (and authoritarian and
downright nosy) attitudes about what other people should eat, I have been
afraid to try any products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly
that
they can do one or more of the following (1) cause diarrhea, (2) be
metabolized just like carbs, (3) cause cravings, (4) raise blood sugar, it
hasn't been hard for me to stay away from them. I'm sorry you had a bad
experience with the ice cream, but fortunately for me your data point
provides me another reason to stay away from them.

carla

Not comparable. at least not to me. my problem with cigarettes has nothing
to do with the smokers health. I believe you do and should have the right to
make your health any damned thing you want it to be.

cigarettes on the other hand also effect MY HEALTH. now we have a problem.

YOU eating junkfood has NO impact on my health whatsoever therfore I can not
see comparing the two.

also having something "junky" is nice if you can afford to. I can so I do.
very rarely.

if you can not afford it then you should not.

you can eat anything you want (reasonably) and it is not unhealthy. having
TOO MUCH of it or too large a displacement of it etc.. is what makes it
unhealthy.

it still has things your body needs. it burns just as good as the next peice
of matter. but thats about all it does.

sure you can eat different thing and get more but now we have to seperate
the mental and the physical.

some people (this might surprise you) LIKE chocolate. it gives them mental
and physical PLEASURE to consume it. it makes them FEEL GOOD.

it does nothing for me. I am not a candy person. the only reason I got in SF
candy at all is that its something I can chew or suck on while in the car (I
do a lot of driving) and relatively speaking its affordable for that
function. otherwise I don't eat candy.

not because its bad for me. just because I do not overly enjoy it. its not a
thrill.

I got fat eating 2 servings of steak 2 servings of potatoes and 5 servings
of veggies (vegaholic) etc.. etc..

I used to NEED to eat this much (used to be extremely active) now I do not
so I got fat because I did not smarten up fast enough. I came to LIKE eating
that much. now I am paying for it.

I have a VERY STRONG will and ego. it is exceedingly easy for me to say "no"
to something once I realize I have a want of need to say no to something.

I have never really eaten unhealthy. just too much (which is unhealthy but
in a different way but I think you get what I am saying you sound
intelligent)

I am lucky. once I found a diet that worked well I have had no problem
sticking to it. I have lost easily over 60 pounds so far and have never had
a relapse in any way.

I went to vegas for CES. VERY hard to stay on diet. never cheated one time.

its easy for me. I have a strong will and I am pig headed :-) stubborn
whatever. when I want something I get it. period.

someone people DO NOT have super strong wills or egos.

it boggles my mind when I read someone saying they can not help it to buy
regular candy after having SF candy and all (please to that person no
offense I am just using you as an example)

it boggles my mind. how could one NO CONTROL such an obvious urge. you HAVE
to DRIVE to said location WALK into said location SELECT said items WALK to
counter DRAW money and PAY for said items. then you have to OPEN and CONSUME
said items. these are all VERY VERY "consciensly" (sp?) actions that you
have to CHOOSE to perform.

I am not this kind for person. I control me. not the other way around (as
odd as that sounds) period.

since I have never experienced that kinf of an event I guess I am just
incapable of mentally grasping it. I just can not wrap my mind around it.

I see it like this. I have a very strong will and a strong ego. but that is
it. they are MY EGO AND MY WILL. not the other way around. I created and
control them. they do not control me and determine my actions. my actions
are my own doing. I choose to do so (form believe in free will :-)

I guess I just see it differently. when I eat half a container of endulge
icecream I do not do so because I can not help it or I crave it. I do so
because I DECIDED that I wanted it and I decided that i was going to eat
that much. period.

some people can not do this easily. so getting back on the topic (I tend to
be very non linear when I rant :-)

apparently some people are not so well off in this regard.they do not easily
reign in control over their desires.

sure its easy to say well just do it you fat f*&k but clearly that is
pointless to even say. just look at how much of this nation is outright fat.
:-)

clearly SOMETHING is going on.

if atkins can make a "relatively" safe item to help people quelch those
cravings I SAY ALL THE POWER TO THEM !!!

the end result ideally is that it will help them control those cravings
enough for the diet to WORK. if that can happen then I say BRING ON THE JUNK
FOOD.

anything to reduce the amount of fat people in this country. hopefully once
they are not fat and once they have gone a while working bit by bit to
control those urges and cravings they can get off the junk and not need it
anymore. maybe not. but at least they won't be fat. THATS the objective.

its easy for me to say no junk. clearly it sounds like its easy for you to.

it is not so easy for others. you likely are like me. you simply can not
wrap your mind around their problems. they make no sense to you.

although I can not do this I CAN recognize the fact that a variable
incomprehensible to me IS PRESENT and THIS (relatively carb safe junk food)
IS a viable and working solution to the problem.

MY sister is a junk food freak. she CRAVES her candy and goodies.

although I know she cheats clearly she has reigned in that cheating enough
to allow the diet to be effective. she has lost nearly 50 pounds so far. !!

I PRAY she never stalls. I purposely incorporates slight too much carbs in
her menu to "vary things up" a bit to try and prevent a stall from occuring
since any elongated stall would be devastating to her ego and will. seeing
that number drop "visibly" lower each week (always 2+ pounds every week) is
doing a tremendous amount to keep her motivated and dedicated.

without that steady visible loss I fear she would drop off. so I do
everything I can to make sure she does not stall.

now that I know this diet works (first time I did not realize that I was
losing weight and that I was simply above the scale limitations :-) I will
never drop off till I have reached goal (225-250 leanign more towards 225
will see as I get closer) and afterward I will never go back to what I was
doing before.

I will also start dramatically increasing my physical loads. this will allow
me (and quite literally require) me to endulge a little more and prevent any
problems from occuring again (I got lazy when I went to school and got fat
:-) I will work to make sure that never happens again. I am an activity
junky and as I get lighter I am more and more able to involve myself in
activities again.

8 months ago I could NOT have done CES. 8 hours of walking continiously
every day would have been WAY too much for me physically. by the time I went
to CES I had lost around 40 pounds and the difference was staggering. it
hurt and I got tired fast but I WAS ABLE to mush on and do it.

as I get ligher I will be able to do more. I LONGINGLY look forward to
warmer weather so I can break out my new bike again. I lose weight so much
faster when I have vigorous excercise every day. (was riding 60-90 minutes
every day till it just got too cold)

that is my motivation.

some people need more.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/




Try substituting "cgigarettes" for "junk food", for more clarity.

Does one cigarette cause loss of health? Hardly. What's the big deal?

Is it a good idea to smoke one cigarette? Not really. Even one
sigarette does a very tiny amount of damage. Small, but real
damage. While one could "enjoy cigarettes in moderation", say smoke
one cigarette per month, that's not what happens in reality.

Same is with junk food.

Consider this Atkins Endulge chocolate bar:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:41:09 GMT, CarbAddict
announced in front of God and everybody:

From: Dawn Taylor (Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:12:06 -0800)
MsgId:

ESPECIALLY in a newsgroup where nutrition advice is being
bandied about -- it's important to make it clear when you're
sharing what you believe to be facts vs. bald-faced opinion.

Everything posted by someone is their opinion unless otherwise noted.
Labeling fact vs. opinion is a courtesy, not a requirement.

Actually, no. Not everything is opinion. If I said, "The smallest bone
in the human body is the stirrup bone located in the middle ear"
that's not opinion.

But if I said, "Avoid aspartame, because it'll stall your weight loss"
or "Sugar alcohols are absorbed by the body the same as other
carbohydrates" ... well, those sound like they could be facts. But
they're not.

Dawn

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:55:28 GMT, CarbAddict
announced in front of God and everybody:

I could go on, but let's agree to disagree. Im My Opinion, a person reading
a usenet post should consider it opinion and not fact. If I understand you
correctly, in your opinion, they should consider it a fact unless told
otherwise. Or at least think the other person thinks it is a fact.

Let me put it this way -- it doesn't hurt to assume that other people
aren't as bright as they could be. Dumb as it is, there's a reason for
those warning labels (like "Don't store near open flame" on a can of
lighter fluid).

I do agree with you that one should take everything you read on Usenet
with a healthy grain of salt -- but not everyone does. Which is why I
think one ought to be clear on the other end.

See? We don't disagree *that* much!

Dawn

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:06:05 -0600, Ignoramus16237
announced in front of God and
everybody:

In article , Dawn Taylor wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:55:28 GMT, CarbAddict
announced in front of God and everybody:

I could go on, but let's agree to disagree. Im My Opinion, a person reading
a usenet post should consider it opinion and not fact. If I understand you
correctly, in your opinion, they should consider it a fact unless told
otherwise. Or at least think the other person thinks it is a fact.

Let me put it this way -- it doesn't hurt to assume that other people
aren't as bright as they could be. Dumb as it is, there's a reason for
those warning labels (like "Don't store near open flame" on a can of
lighter fluid).

and if they are not bright, instead of endlessly equivocating about
whos opinion is what, they should be simply told to eat no junk
food. If they follow this suggestion, they cannot be worse off.

So you figure that dumb people deserve less thorough, only partially
correct advice?

Well, isn't that special. Now do the superior dance.

Dawn