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Old September 26th, 2003, 10:29 PM
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:15:29 -0500, "Julianne"
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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually, but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.

Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly disturbing.


Ignoramus does indeed live up to his name, at times.


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 26th, 2003, 10:32 PM
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:22:34 GMT, "motu" wrote:
"Julianne" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in

Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually, but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.

Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly disturbing.

It may be because he's had contact with some disturbing "health care
professionals", though I don't agree with the blanket statement about all
nutritionists being stupid.


Indeed, it was Ignoramus' use of the word "breed" that was especially
telling. Normal folk would simply relay that they have had some
unacceptable anecdotal experiences, rather than try to make the issue
into an issue of "breed".

I've found stupidity is not limited to any one profession.


And almost never ubiquitous within any profession.


--
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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 27th, 2003, 03:58 PM
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I don't particularly appreciate the advice your friend received from the
doc, either. However, Iggy has made more than one derogatory reference to
the professionals in my industry. A couple of weeks ago, his doctor was not
bright enough to interpret thyroid function results. It is also very
insulting to anyone who is not a physicist or an atty to state that smart
people go into physics or law.

I have to wonder if he understands what it takes to earn a license in the
health care professions and what lengths we will go to protect it.
Sometimes, that includes not recommending treatment or diet plans that have
not been researched to the point that evidence based practice can be
supported even though we are hopeful that the studies will support such
recommendations in the future.

The nutritionists I have worked with are faced with enormous challenges.
How, pray tell, do you get someone to follow a diabetic diet when they are
dependent upon Meals on Wheels or family members to provide for their meals.
What about people who cannot read? It is insufficient to send them home
with a brochure. Weight loss is always a good idea but when food is scarce,
it is difficult to convince someone to forgo food when it is available. Has
he ever tried to teach someone in their 80's something new? It is not an
easy task. The Registered Dieticians I have worked with come up with all
sorts of creative ways to teach patients and sometimes they have to accept
that the best the patient can do is not what would be ideal. To take a
patient who drank a six pack of coke a day or ate beef because they raised
cows for a living and convince them that expensive boneless skinless
tasteless chicken breast and vegetable juices are what they should be eating
is not an easy task.

One note does not a choir make and one book critical of nutritionists is not
gospel!

j

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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in

Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually, but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.


Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly disturbing.


It may be because he's had contact with some disturbing "health care
professionals", though I don't agree with the blanket statement about all
nutritionists being stupid.

I've seen these "professionals" do some disturbing things.
The most recent, but hardly worst example:
Just last week an age twentyish woman I know went to a doc and complained

of
migraines. She came home with Atenolol, Amitryptyline, Midrin, and

Maxalt.
She was told to go home and "figure out what works" and come back in a

week.
The woman was clueless on what to do.

I've found stupidity is not limited to any one profession.
Sometimes job status does not at all relate to intelligence and the

ability
to logically solve a problem.





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Old September 27th, 2003, 04:04 PM
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:22:34 GMT, "motu" wrote:
"Julianne" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in

Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually, but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.
Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly disturbing.

It may be because he's had contact with some disturbing "health care
professionals", though I don't agree with the blanket statement about

all
nutritionists being stupid.


Indeed, it was Ignoramus' use of the word "breed" that was especially
telling. Normal folk would simply relay that they have had some
unacceptable anecdotal experiences, rather than try to make the issue
into an issue of "breed".


He read a book, albiet a very interesting book, that cast dispersions upon
the food industry. Although the book is certainly worth reading, most
adults will understand that they author had a point to make and the writing
was biased towards the author's opinion. I bet if you called the author,
you might find that even he didn't think that every single nutritionist was
stupid and that smart people went into physics and law.

I've found stupidity is not limited to any one profession.


And almost never ubiquitous within any profession.


Dichotomous thinking - everything is black or white, right or wrong, etc.,
is usually found in the socially immature and mentally ill. I will give him
the benefit of the doubt and blame it on his being grossly uninformed.




--
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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.



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Old September 27th, 2003, 08:21 PM
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"Julianne" wrote in message
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:22:34 GMT, "motu" wrote:
"Julianne" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in
Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually, but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.
Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly disturbing.
It may be because he's had contact with some disturbing "health care
professionals", though I don't agree with the blanket statement about

all
nutritionists being stupid.


Indeed, it was Ignoramus' use of the word "breed" that was especially
telling. Normal folk would simply relay that they have had some
unacceptable anecdotal experiences, rather than try to make the issue
into an issue of "breed".


He read a book, albiet a very interesting book, that cast dispersions upon
the food industry. Although the book is certainly worth reading, most
adults will understand that they author had a point to make and the

writing
was biased towards the author's opinion. I bet if you called the author,
you might find that even he didn't think that every single nutritionist

was
stupid and that smart people went into physics and law.

I've found stupidity is not limited to any one profession.


And almost never ubiquitous within any profession.


Dichotomous thinking - everything is black or white, right or wrong, etc.,
is usually found in the socially immature and mentally ill. I will give

him
the benefit of the doubt and blame it on his being grossly uninformed.


Ignoramus tends to make blanket statements on anecdotal occurances. This is
one of the most flawed ways of thinking. I hardly ever pay attention to his
uneducated conclusions. They are almost always incorrect.

Martha


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Old September 28th, 2003, 03:59 AM
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"MH" wrote in message
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"Julianne" wrote in message
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:22:34 GMT, "motu" wrote:
"Julianne" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus21432" wrote in


Unfortunately, nutritionists seem to be a fairly stupid breed of
people. If you are smart, you go into physics or law. If you are
stupid, you become a nutritionist. It is a sad fact, actually,

but
these people seem to be incapable of thinking through things
logically.
Your attitude towards health care professionals is truly

disturbing.
It may be because he's had contact with some disturbing "health care
professionals", though I don't agree with the blanket statement

about
all
nutritionists being stupid.

Indeed, it was Ignoramus' use of the word "breed" that was especially
telling. Normal folk would simply relay that they have had some
unacceptable anecdotal experiences, rather than try to make the issue
into an issue of "breed".


He read a book, albiet a very interesting book, that cast dispersions

upon
the food industry. Although the book is certainly worth reading, most
adults will understand that they author had a point to make and the

writing
was biased towards the author's opinion. I bet if you called the

author,
you might find that even he didn't think that every single nutritionist

was
stupid and that smart people went into physics and law.

I've found stupidity is not limited to any one profession.

And almost never ubiquitous within any profession.


Dichotomous thinking - everything is black or white, right or wrong,

etc.,
is usually found in the socially immature and mentally ill. I will give

him
the benefit of the doubt and blame it on his being grossly uninformed.


Ignoramus tends to make blanket statements on anecdotal occurances. This

is
one of the most flawed ways of thinking. I hardly ever pay attention to

his
uneducated conclusions. They are almost always incorrect.


And at times insulting to those of us who have devoted our careers to taking
care of sick people!


Martha




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Old September 28th, 2003, 02:03 PM
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Criticized, yes, when apprpropriate. To take an entire profession and call
them a 'breed' which generally refers to animals and 'stupid' and claim that
if they had brains they would have gone into physics or law is just plain
mean spirited.

Criticism: "You might have approached that patient differently according to
their individual needs..."

Mean and Ugly: "You are stupid. If you had any brains, you would have gone
into physics or law. You don't know how to think through problems
logically."

See the difference?


"Ignoramus23498" wrote in message
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In article M8sdb.4439$k74.352@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:
"MH" wrote in message
"Julianne" wrote in message


Ignoramus tends to make blanket statements on anecdotal
occurances. This is one of the most flawed ways of thinking. I
hardly ever pay attention to his uneducated conclusions. They are
almost always incorrect.


And at times insulting to those of us who have devoted our careers
to taking care of sick people!


Does that make that those who take care of sick people somehow should
not be criticized?

i



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Old September 28th, 2003, 02:52 PM
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:19:14 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
wrote:

You shouldn't believe everything you read. Anyway, who is this "food
industry" that manipulates everyone on earth? Is it a member of the United
Nations, a guerilla group or what? These sweeping comments that you make,
or quote, make your arguments weak and unconvincing.


I am going to assume you are sincere when you asked this question.

There is such a thing as "High Enterprise" where in American there are
food products manufactured and sold which are not of high nutrition
and some which do more harm than good to your health.

Tobacco, candy, Alcohol, cakes, pies. etc...

These products taste wonderful but for the calories they give they do
not provide much good nutrition. Not compared to some other products
you can spend the same money on.

The idea being.. here in a free enterprise society it is not up to the
manu factor to provide a good product for you but for you to learn and
choose the products yourself.

Some people write books about these things. You have to read the books
and decide for yourself what is good and bad for you.
It is your responsibility to learn what is good and bad not for them.

A good example of this in action is the story I read in the newspaper
some months ago.

This company developed a new rice seed. It grew thirty percent more
rice per acre than ever before. This company treated the rice with
some chemical and changed it's DNA..

This company sent some representative to the government and talked
them into using this rice to send to the starving people in those poor
countries in our world. They used the argument that rice provided a
certain vitamin for the children there who were going blind from
malnutrition. The government choose and bought the rice from this
company.
Twenty years later someone for some reason examined the rice.
They found that when they genetically changed the DNA of this rice it
changed this certain vitamin which stopped one from going blind so
much that those children would have to eat twenty-one pounds of that
rice to get the daily needed dose of that vitamin.

So, you can't just believe something is good by word alone.

Monte


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Old September 28th, 2003, 08:32 PM
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On 28 Sep 2003 11:54:32 GMT, Ignoramus23498
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In article M8sdb.4439$k74.352@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:
"MH" wrote in message
"Julianne" wrote in message
Ignoramus tends to make blanket statements on anecdotal
occurances. This is one of the most flawed ways of thinking. I
hardly ever pay attention to his uneducated conclusions. They are
almost always incorrect.

And at times insulting to those of us who have devoted our careers
to taking care of sick people!

Does that make that those who take care of sick people somehow should
not be criticized?


Wise of you to ignore all the other comments about your outrageous
assertions, and try to deflect attention by putting words in
Julianne's mouth. Too bad it didn't make it through the BS detector.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 29th, 2003, 01:02 AM
Julianne
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On 28 Sep 2003 11:54:32 GMT, Ignoramus23498
wrote:
In article M8sdb.4439$k74.352@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:
"MH" wrote in message
"Julianne" wrote in message
Ignoramus tends to make blanket statements on anecdotal
occurances. This is one of the most flawed ways of thinking. I
hardly ever pay attention to his uneducated conclusions. They are
almost always incorrect.
And at times insulting to those of us who have devoted our careers
to taking care of sick people!

Does that make that those who take care of sick people somehow should
not be criticized?


Wise of you to ignore all the other comments about your outrageous
assertions, and try to deflect attention by putting words in
Julianne's mouth. Too bad it didn't make it through the BS detector.


Where can I buy one of those? A BS detector?

Seriously, some things really get under my skin and I need to just get over
it. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard a story about what 'they'
did at a hospital or other facility as though the entire staff of a major
medical center banded together to make a grave error in an attempt to harm
someone.

My favorite was a convicted hitman who was transported to my unit because
the state hospital was unable to handle certain heart conditions. They
usually went to Shreveport but it was too far away for this guy because his
heart rate was in the 30's and 40's. When I admitted him to my unit, he
had corresponding low blood pressure and some chest pain but he was alert
enough to answer a few questions. I started to suspect I had a problem when
I asked if he had any numbness or tingling to his extremities. He informed
me that he could still get it up just fine. I politely responded that I was
referring to other extremities. Then he proceeded to tell me that 'they'
didn't know what they were doing at the other hospital and tried to give him
Digoxin instead of Lanoxin but he was too smart for them. He had his own
Lanoxin and took it when they weren't looking. (Kind of makes you wonder
what the guard was doing, doesn't it?)

Digoxin and Lanoxin are different names for the same drug and the major
danger of taking too much is having one's heart rate slow down too much. It
is also a bitch to treat dig toxicity. There is a drug but the drug causes
falsely high levels on the blood tests so it is impossible to tell where you
are in the treatment. I'm just glad we stumbled over the poor care given at
the other hospital before he had an expensive pacer deployed!

Our tax dollars at work......... I wish this kind of behaviour was limited
to convicted hit men but I hear it frequently. It really kills me because
most nurses love to teach and if people would simply ask questions, we would
love to explain why we do the things that we do. All the hospitals at which
I have been employed had registered dieticians on staff who did nothing but
teach patients.

Still it is frequent that I hear about 'near fatal' mistakes that 'they'
make and half the time when you start investigating, you find out that no
error had been made at all.

j


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
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