Bad Development: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet

Preface: went on a no-sugar/no-carb diet (where I started inserting carbs
showly). While achieved subst. weight loss, after 5 weeks got pains around
the right lower rib border.

Started eating SmartCarb multivitamin with Biotin (which is supposed to
break excessive protein & fat).
Started drinking mineral water that could stimulate the gall bladder
contractions.

2 days ago visited Urgent Care, was seen by 3 doctors, got blood & urine
tested - they said I was in perfect health and it's a shame that I bothered
them with all the collapsing people in the waiting line.

However, in dynamics (comparing tests before, 1 week into the diet & now) I
see that my total bilirubin levels are going steadily up from the first day
of the diet, alkaline phosphatase is going steadily down, BUN jumped down
and glucose made a jump up in the latest test.
Showed it in Urgent Care, they looked at me like "what is this guy talking
about".

In 10 days pain didn't go away. This morning my tongue was yellow, but skin
wasn't.

Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff that
causes lower bile production?
Is there any effect in drinking St.-John's wort?

I'm really in panic, that I'm told that I'm so fine, and things are
deteriorating. Lack of medical insurance in the US also doesn't help (my
access to doctors is very limited for that reason).

Has anyone been going through anything like this while on the low-carb?

And lastly - how do can you possibly drink 2 liters of water? I drink a
couple of mugs of black tea - and I feel like it's way too much - and that's
barely 400g. Does this have to be plain water, or could it be mineral like
Perrier, hot tea or juice, for instance?

Sorry if this message is too long.


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-S"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet


Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down, which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

I'm no longer on a no-carb in the last weeks. Insterted cucumbers, radishes,
coleslaw, beet & some other vegetables, since it's impossible to eat meat
and fish alone.

Gallstones usually manifest themselves with sharp pains after meal
consumption. My pain is more consistent and dull. Doctors in UC were pretty
convinced that it wasn't the case. In my case self-diagnosis could be the
way to tell the low-qualified medical personnel what to pay attention to.
Like the last LFT (liver function test) didn't include the GGT test, which
very well evaluates the bile duct blokage, if that's the case of the current
problem. So I have to keep reading.

The odd thing is that it's the first time I have a medical problem ever in
35 years. And I always ate whatever was available and never felt any pains
of any kind.

"Ignoramus28438" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about your problems accessing medical care.

If you eat beet salad, you are not on a no carb diet and probably eat
enough carbs not to have any low carb related health problems.

I would certainly experiment and add, say, 50 grams of carbs from
fruits like apples, and see if it helps at all. Limit your eating
somewhat not to regain too much. See if that helps. If it does not,
you will know that you have a separate problem.

Have you read about gallstones yet?

Beware that novices tend to diagnose themselves with all kinds of
things, everythign they read seems like it is about them..

Go back to the doctors. I'm not a doctor but I think you need gall bladder
surgery because this happened to somebody I know and that's the diagnosis he
got.


"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
Preface: went on a no-sugar/no-carb diet (where I started inserting carbs
showly). While achieved subst. weight loss, after 5 weeks got pains around
the right lower rib border.

Started eating SmartCarb multivitamin with Biotin (which is supposed to
break excessive protein & fat).
Started drinking mineral water that could stimulate the gall bladder
contractions.

2 days ago visited Urgent Care, was seen by 3 doctors, got blood & urine
tested - they said I was in perfect health and it's a shame that I
bothered
them with all the collapsing people in the waiting line.

However, in dynamics (comparing tests before, 1 week into the diet & now)
I
see that my total bilirubin levels are going steadily up from the first
day
of the diet, alkaline phosphatase is going steadily down, BUN jumped down
and glucose made a jump up in the latest test.
Showed it in Urgent Care, they looked at me like "what is this guy talking
about".

In 10 days pain didn't go away. This morning my tongue was yellow, but
skin
wasn't.

Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity
of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a
bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded
the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff
that
causes lower bile production?
Is there any effect in drinking St.-John's wort?

I'm really in panic, that I'm told that I'm so fine, and things are
deteriorating. Lack of medical insurance in the US also doesn't help (my
access to doctors is very limited for that reason).

Has anyone been going through anything like this while on the low-carb?

And lastly - how do can you possibly drink 2 liters of water? I drink a
couple of mugs of black tea - and I feel like it's way too much - and
that's
barely 400g. Does this have to be plain water, or could it be mineral like
Perrier, hot tea or juice, for instance?

Sorry if this message is too long.


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-S"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet


Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm
a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present
around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down,
which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't
get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

Go back to the doctors. I'm not a doctor but I think you need gall bladder
surgery because this happened to somebody I know and that's the diagnosis he
got.


"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
Preface: went on a no-sugar/no-carb diet (where I started inserting carbs
showly). While achieved subst. weight loss, after 5 weeks got pains around
the right lower rib border.

Started eating SmartCarb multivitamin with Biotin (which is supposed to
break excessive protein & fat).
Started drinking mineral water that could stimulate the gall bladder
contractions.

2 days ago visited Urgent Care, was seen by 3 doctors, got blood & urine
tested - they said I was in perfect health and it's a shame that I
bothered
them with all the collapsing people in the waiting line.

However, in dynamics (comparing tests before, 1 week into the diet & now)
I
see that my total bilirubin levels are going steadily up from the first
day
of the diet, alkaline phosphatase is going steadily down, BUN jumped down
and glucose made a jump up in the latest test.
Showed it in Urgent Care, they looked at me like "what is this guy talking
about".

In 10 days pain didn't go away. This morning my tongue was yellow, but
skin
wasn't.

Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity
of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a
bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded
the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff
that
causes lower bile production?
Is there any effect in drinking St.-John's wort?

I'm really in panic, that I'm told that I'm so fine, and things are
deteriorating. Lack of medical insurance in the US also doesn't help (my
access to doctors is very limited for that reason).

Has anyone been going through anything like this while on the low-carb?

And lastly - how do can you possibly drink 2 liters of water? I drink a
couple of mugs of black tea - and I feel like it's way too much - and
that's
barely 400g. Does this have to be plain water, or could it be mineral like
Perrier, hot tea or juice, for instance?

Sorry if this message is too long.


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-S"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet


Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm
a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present
around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down,
which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't
get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

J-S wrote:
Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff that
causes lower bile production?

It sounds like the correct area for the gall bladder. It's not clear
what you mean by medics excluding the stones, as it sounds gallstone
related. As bile is released for the purpose of digesting fats,
I suspect the mineral water doing anything for it is myth.

If you went from another diet/style of eating, especially low-fat,
and changed to low-carb, you may have crystallized bile (stones) in
your gall bladder due to not eating much fat and not releasing much
bile. Then eating the amount of fats in a low-carb diet is causing
pain as the stones are interfering with bile release, or being pushed
into the duct. Going off a low-fat diet is often a trigger for
gallstone problems.

Meanwhile gallbladder and liver "flushes" you'll find on the net are
a load of bull. They produce floating, round soft blobs from the
solution of oil, epsom salts and lemon/grapefruit that you drink in
these flushes, which are claimed to be gallstones -- real gallstones
are hard and faceted.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

You're seeing the wrong type of doctor.

You need a psychologist.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
Preface: went on a no-sugar/no-carb diet (where I started inserting carbs
showly). While achieved subst. weight loss, after 5 weeks got pains around
the right lower rib border.

Started eating SmartCarb multivitamin with Biotin (which is supposed to
break excessive protein & fat).
Started drinking mineral water that could stimulate the gall bladder
contractions.

2 days ago visited Urgent Care, was seen by 3 doctors, got blood & urine
tested - they said I was in perfect health and it's a shame that I
bothered
them with all the collapsing people in the waiting line.

However, in dynamics (comparing tests before, 1 week into the diet & now)
I
see that my total bilirubin levels are going steadily up from the first
day
of the diet, alkaline phosphatase is going steadily down, BUN jumped down
and glucose made a jump up in the latest test.
Showed it in Urgent Care, they looked at me like "what is this guy talking
about".

In 10 days pain didn't go away. This morning my tongue was yellow, but
skin
wasn't.

Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity
of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a
bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded
the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff
that
causes lower bile production?
Is there any effect in drinking St.-John's wort?

I'm really in panic, that I'm told that I'm so fine, and things are
deteriorating. Lack of medical insurance in the US also doesn't help (my
access to doctors is very limited for that reason).

Has anyone been going through anything like this while on the low-carb?

And lastly - how do can you possibly drink 2 liters of water? I drink a
couple of mugs of black tea - and I feel like it's way too much - and
that's
barely 400g. Does this have to be plain water, or could it be mineral like
Perrier, hot tea or juice, for instance?

Sorry if this message is too long.


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-S"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet


Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm
a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present
around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down,
which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't
get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

You're seeing the wrong type of doctor.

You need a psychologist.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
Preface: went on a no-sugar/no-carb diet (where I started inserting carbs
showly). While achieved subst. weight loss, after 5 weeks got pains around
the right lower rib border.

Started eating SmartCarb multivitamin with Biotin (which is supposed to
break excessive protein & fat).
Started drinking mineral water that could stimulate the gall bladder
contractions.

2 days ago visited Urgent Care, was seen by 3 doctors, got blood & urine
tested - they said I was in perfect health and it's a shame that I
bothered
them with all the collapsing people in the waiting line.

However, in dynamics (comparing tests before, 1 week into the diet & now)
I
see that my total bilirubin levels are going steadily up from the first
day
of the diet, alkaline phosphatase is going steadily down, BUN jumped down
and glucose made a jump up in the latest test.
Showed it in Urgent Care, they looked at me like "what is this guy talking
about".

In 10 days pain didn't go away. This morning my tongue was yellow, but
skin
wasn't.

Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity
of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a
bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded
the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff
that
causes lower bile production?
Is there any effect in drinking St.-John's wort?

I'm really in panic, that I'm told that I'm so fine, and things are
deteriorating. Lack of medical insurance in the US also doesn't help (my
access to doctors is very limited for that reason).

Has anyone been going through anything like this while on the low-carb?

And lastly - how do can you possibly drink 2 liters of water? I drink a
couple of mugs of black tea - and I feel like it's way too much - and
that's
barely 400g. Does this have to be plain water, or could it be mineral like
Perrier, hot tea or juice, for instance?

Sorry if this message is too long.


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-S"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet


Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm
a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present
around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down,
which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't
get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

poor J.S.
You are into so good dieting & You fall down
Doctors don't beleive You & you feel sick & tired ..
Is not the time to change ur diet ???

poor J.S.
You are into so good dieting & You fall down
Doctors don't beleive You & you feel sick & tired ..
Is not the time to change ur diet ???

"J-S" wrote in message
hlink.net...

The odd thing is that it's the first time I have a medical problem ever in
35 years. And I always ate whatever was available and never felt any pains
of any kind.



Interesting....

Why is it your first post says you are a 28yo man, yet in this post you
haven't experienced a medical problem in 35yrs.

Doesn't bode well on my thoughts of you... me thinks you are trolling.