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Old March 1st, 2004, 12:32 AM
buck naked
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bob the builder wrote:
I am getting ready to start weight watchers on Monday, March 1st for
the first time. I don't have any information on what is ok and what to
avoid. Can you take diet pills like Trim Spa and Stacker 2 along with
WW? Is that a bad thing to do or can it be helpful?

Thanks!


You can...but you can also drive to your meeting with your feet, doesn't
mean its a good idea...though I'm sure the makers of the products would love
for you to buy them.


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Old March 1st, 2004, 12:57 AM
Kate Dicey
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buck naked wrote:

bob the builder wrote:
I am getting ready to start weight watchers on Monday, March 1st for
the first time. I don't have any information on what is ok and what to
avoid. Can you take diet pills like Trim Spa and Stacker 2 along with
WW? Is that a bad thing to do or can it be helpful?

Thanks!


You can...but you can also drive to your meeting with your feet, doesn't
mean its a good idea...though I'm sure the makers of the products would love
for you to buy them.


My personal take on these things is that long term they are not good: they do
not teach good eating habbits for life, and depending on them rather than
re-educating yourself and your eating habbits is useless. Once you stop taking
them, you'll just slip back into the bad old ways. I wouldn't even bother with
them for a quick start.

Things that suppress apatite are not necessary on WW: as your food intake
decreases, and your weight, your stomach learns to feel full on less, and
indeed, over time it shrinks along with the rest of you.

Dietry suppliments like vitimines are also unnecessary: if you follow the plan,
you get a good mixed diet of protien, carbs, and vegetables, with sufficient
daily supplies of everything you need unless you have a specific health problem,
in which case weight loss should be supervised by a qualified medical team. WW
themselves will tell you this.

Just to give you an idea of what you CAN eat on WW, here was the meal I ate and
served to my type 1 diabetic DH and my fast growing 9 YO son:

Roast chicken (no stuffing, couldn't be bothered to make any!)
Gravy (made with the hald bottle of wine I slung over the chicken, and the
liquids from cooking it, a little cornflour, and some of the water from the
veggies, as it came out a bit thick!)
Roast potatoes ('dry' roast with a quick spray of olive oil rather than swimming
in fat!)
Lightly boiled carrots and broccoli

Fresh home made fruit salad - no cream (I forgot to buy it!), and no added sugar

This lot filled me to 'stuffed' point - I had about 3 portions of veg for no
points at all! - and came to 8 points, and I added 2 more for a glass of wine.
Ten points for dinner, out of a total of 22 allowed me for the day - a high
point meal for me. This left me with 2 points from today, plus 3 saved from
yesterday to play with, as I use 8 points on lunch after a lie-in and no
breakfast.

Tomorrow I'll make the other half of the roasted birdie into a mediaeval
'Blamanger of capons', and later in the week the rest of the carcass will become
a nice low point chicken and leek soup.

We eat well. So far I have lost 34 pounds without resorting to any artificial
help or diertry suppliments of any sort. The best booster for weight loss is
exercise: use a few more calories than you consume every day and the weight will
slide off. Follow WW properly and you need never feel deprived or hungry.

Good luck on your downward slide!
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!


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Old March 1st, 2004, 01:23 AM
Donna in Idaho \(remove invalid\)
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Kate - just why didn't you invite us all over for dinner? Sounds
wonderful. I'll make you a quilt if you'll fix my dinner every evening.
;-0 If you can beg for a quilt, I can beg for dinner!!!!!

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Donna in Idaho
Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator
Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/

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"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
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buck naked wrote:

bob the builder wrote:
I am getting ready to start weight watchers on Monday, March 1st for
the first time. I don't have any information on what is ok and what to
avoid. Can you take diet pills like Trim Spa and Stacker 2 along with
WW? Is that a bad thing to do or can it be helpful?

Thanks!


You can...but you can also drive to your meeting with your feet, doesn't
mean its a good idea...though I'm sure the makers of the products would

love
for you to buy them.


My personal take on these things is that long term they are not good: they

do
not teach good eating habbits for life, and depending on them rather than
re-educating yourself and your eating habbits is useless. Once you stop

taking
them, you'll just slip back into the bad old ways. I wouldn't even bother

with
them for a quick start.

Things that suppress apatite are not necessary on WW: as your food intake
decreases, and your weight, your stomach learns to feel full on less, and
indeed, over time it shrinks along with the rest of you.

Dietry suppliments like vitimines are also unnecessary: if you follow the

plan,
you get a good mixed diet of protien, carbs, and vegetables, with

sufficient
daily supplies of everything you need unless you have a specific health

problem,
in which case weight loss should be supervised by a qualified medical

team. WW
themselves will tell you this.

Just to give you an idea of what you CAN eat on WW, here was the meal I

ate and
served to my type 1 diabetic DH and my fast growing 9 YO son:

Roast chicken (no stuffing, couldn't be bothered to make any!)
Gravy (made with the hald bottle of wine I slung over the chicken, and the
liquids from cooking it, a little cornflour, and some of the water from

the
veggies, as it came out a bit thick!)
Roast potatoes ('dry' roast with a quick spray of olive oil rather than

swimming
in fat!)
Lightly boiled carrots and broccoli

Fresh home made fruit salad - no cream (I forgot to buy it!), and no added

sugar

This lot filled me to 'stuffed' point - I had about 3 portions of veg for

no
points at all! - and came to 8 points, and I added 2 more for a glass of

wine.
Ten points for dinner, out of a total of 22 allowed me for the day - a

high
point meal for me. This left me with 2 points from today, plus 3 saved

from
yesterday to play with, as I use 8 points on lunch after a lie-in and no
breakfast.

Tomorrow I'll make the other half of the roasted birdie into a mediaeval
'Blamanger of capons', and later in the week the rest of the carcass will

become
a nice low point chicken and leek soup.

We eat well. So far I have lost 34 pounds without resorting to any

artificial
help or diertry suppliments of any sort. The best booster for weight loss

is
exercise: use a few more calories than you consume every day and the

weight will
slide off. Follow WW properly and you need never feel deprived or hungry.

Good luck on your downward slide!
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!




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Old March 1st, 2004, 04:33 AM
Fred
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Unnecessary as others also indicate. Just start eating the right
foods and, importantly, in the right quantities.

Fred
219.2/158.8/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:36:24 GMT, bob the builder
wrote:

I am getting ready to start weight watchers on Monday, March 1st for
the first time. I don't have any information on what is ok and what to
avoid. Can you take diet pills like Trim Spa and Stacker 2 along with
WW? Is that a bad thing to do or can it be helpful?

Thanks!


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Old March 1st, 2004, 02:48 PM
Kate Dicey
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"Donna in Idaho (remove invalid)" wrote:

Kate - just why didn't you invite us all over for dinner? Sounds
wonderful. I'll make you a quilt if you'll fix my dinner every evening.
;-0 If you can beg for a quilt, I can beg for dinner!!!!!


You're welcome any time, m'deerie! I don't think roast chook would
survive
posting...

The recipe for tonight's Blamanger of Capons is on my web site in the
Mediaeval
and Renaissance recipes section of Kate's World. It's one I adapted
from the
original to be low in fat. The quantity on the web site should do 4
people as a
main dish: serve with a salad of baby spinache, lambs lettuce and sorel
for a
true mediaeval flavour. It works out at aboout 7 points per serving.
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Old March 1st, 2004, 11:46 PM
ray miller
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Dietry suppliments like vitimines are also unnecessary: if you follow the plan,
you get a good mixed diet of protien, carbs, and vegetables, with sufficient
daily supplies of everything you need unless you have a specific health problem,
in which case weight loss should be supervised by a qualified medical team. WW
themselves will tell you this.


What you say is all good. But many people trying to lose weight
apparently reduce the variety of food they eat. They probably find a
few meals that work and stick with them.
Because of this it's probably a good idea to take a good quality
multivitamin/mineral most days.
In addition it's a really good idea to get enough calcium. The best
way is through your food, but if thats not possible or marginal then
it's a good idea to take a calcium/vitamin d supplement. Apparently
getting enough calcium helps weight loss. WW specifically try to get
people to eat dairy produce (presumably to boost calcium intake
amongst other things).
On the other hand if you are sure you are getting enough vitamins and
calcium then supplementing is a waste of money, and can be
detrimental.

Ray
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rmnsuk
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Old March 2nd, 2004, 02:15 AM
Kate Dicey
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ray miller wrote:

Dietry suppliments like vitimines are also unnecessary: if you follow the plan,
you get a good mixed diet of protien, carbs, and vegetables, with sufficient
daily supplies of everything you need unless you have a specific health problem,
in which case weight loss should be supervised by a qualified medical team. WW
themselves will tell you this.


What you say is all good. But many people trying to lose weight
apparently reduce the variety of food they eat. They probably find a
few meals that work and stick with them.


WW encourages variety in the diet: I think we eat a WIDER variety of
stuff since I
started this lark!

Because of this it's probably a good idea to take a good quality
multivitamin/mineral most days.


Oh, if you restrict that much, yes. But that would be very boring... I
tend to be
careful to eat a wide variety of stuff, including green veggies and
calcium rich
foods as I cannot metabolise calcium in suppliment form and was advised
never to use
vitamine or mineral suppliments without medical say so. I have to admit
that I never
found them necessary, even when living on bording school food in the
70's!

In addition it's a really good idea to get enough calcium. The best
way is through your food, but if thats not possible or marginal then
it's a good idea to take a calcium/vitamin d supplement. Apparently
getting enough calcium helps weight loss. WW specifically try to get
people to eat dairy produce (presumably to boost calcium intake
amongst other things).
On the other hand if you are sure you are getting enough vitamins and
calcium then supplementing is a waste of money, and can be
detrimental.


I'd rather spend the money on nicer fresh food!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Old March 2nd, 2004, 06:37 AM
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There is no need to do it but I am not in favor of most of those things,
welcome and good luck, Lee
bob the builder wrote in message
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I am getting ready to start weight watchers on Monday, March 1st for
the first time. I don't have any information on what is ok and what to
avoid. Can you take diet pills like Trim Spa and Stacker 2 along with
WW? Is that a bad thing to do or can it be helpful?

Thanks!



 




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