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Old July 16th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Tom
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"tcomeau" wrote in message
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It is genetic. We are genetically wired to eat diets with no
manufactured and refined carbohydrates.

TC


Well said.

Tom
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Old July 17th, 2004, 01:48 AM
Barbara Hirsch
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:12 GMT, "Tom" wrote:

Pima Indians also have one of the highest rates of Type II Diabetes in the
world. 50% of all adults are affected.


Yep.



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Old July 17th, 2004, 01:48 AM
Barbara Hirsch
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:12 GMT, "Tom" wrote:

Pima Indians also have one of the highest rates of Type II Diabetes in the
world. 50% of all adults are affected.


Yep.



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Old July 17th, 2004, 02:25 AM
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Patricia Heil wrote:

Please, people, don't make the mistake of generalizing to yourself to say
"because I am obese I am genetically predisposed."


Nobody is genetically predisposed to being obese, they just have to work
harder not to gain weight. I once discussed it with a doctor (who said
it was a bad excuse that the genes caused a person's overweight) and I
said she couldn't deny some people gain easier than others, and she just
said: "then they MUST work harder."
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Old July 17th, 2004, 09:23 AM
Mrs Yvette M Cotter
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"Ignoramus22273" wrote in message
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Before people start flaming me without thinking, let me preface this
excerpt from a study with this.

Predisposition towards obesity is genetic. It turns into obesity by
environment (too much food, wrong food and lack of exercise). Pima
indians were not fat 300 years ago (we think). Predisposition can be
overcome, sometimes, by diet and exercise.

But, people blaming their childhood home environment for their
obesity, may be wrong. According to the article, ``a number of studies
have described a closer relationship between the weights of adoptees
and their biological parents rather than their adoptive parents''. So,
environment in adoptive homes did not have nearly as much effect on
adoptees, compared to who was their biological parent.

A question that is open is this. As parents, we try to create some
sort of healthy environment for our children, so that they grow up as
fit people. Are our efforts statistically doomed to be irrelevant to
their final health? It is hard to believe, and does not, strictly
speaking, follow from the adoptee finding, but it is a disconcerting
thought.

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read this and weep...


http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/paed/medic...cs_obesity.htm

``Studies in twins, adoptees and families indicate that as much as 80%
of the variance in the body mass index is attributable to genetic
factors. Twin studies suggest a heritability of fat mass of between
40-70%. Concordance between monozygotic twins is 0.7-0.9, compared to
0.35-0.45 between dizygotic twins. While these associations may in
part be explained by sharing the same childhood environment, a number
of studies have described a closer relationship between the weights of
adoptees and their biological parents rather than their adoptive
parents. These genetic influences are not confined to the extremes of
obesity, but exert their effect across the whole range of body weight
and are consistent with a polygenic inheritance of fat mass.

The potential implication of genetic factors in the development of
human obesity is well demonstrated by the description of six monogenic
forms of the pathological human obesity to date. These genes encode
proteins of the leptin axis and brain-expressed targets of leptin
involved in the melanocortin pathway. They include leptin, the leptin
receptor, pro-opiomelanocortin (POMC), proconvertase 1 (PC1),
Peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor g2 (PPARg2), and the
melanocortin-4 receptor (MC4-R). Except for MC4-R, mutations in these
genes cause rare, recessive, syndromic forms of obesity, associated
with multiple endocrine abnormalities. ''



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Old July 17th, 2004, 10:07 PM
Barbara Hirsch
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:25:39 -0700, Michael Nielsen
wrote:

Patricia Heil wrote:

Please, people, don't make the mistake of generalizing to yourself to say
"because I am obese I am genetically predisposed."


Nobody is genetically predisposed to being obese, they just have to work
harder not to gain weight. I once discussed it with a doctor (who said
it was a bad excuse that the genes caused a person's overweight) and I
said she couldn't deny some people gain easier than others, and she just
said: "then they MUST work harder."


Symantics. Having a harder time keeping weight off IS a genetic
predisposition to obesity.

You're confusing genetics with laziness. No one ever said that given
enough dedication almost everyone can lose weight and keep it off. I'm
living proof.

Barbara
210/124 since November 1997

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
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Old July 19th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Michael Nielsen
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Barbara Hirsch wrote:
Symantics. Having a harder time keeping weight off IS a genetic
predisposition to obesity.

You're confusing genetics with laziness. No one ever said that given
enough dedication almost everyone can lose weight and keep it off. I'm
living proof.


It may be semantics, but I think it is counter-productive to call it
predisposition to obesity, because that way it is used as an excuse. "I
have a slow metabolism and thus need to work harder" is a better phrase.
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Old July 19th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Michael Nielsen
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Default Predisposition towards obesity is genetic

Barbara Hirsch wrote:
Symantics. Having a harder time keeping weight off IS a genetic
predisposition to obesity.

You're confusing genetics with laziness. No one ever said that given
enough dedication almost everyone can lose weight and keep it off. I'm
living proof.


It may be semantics, but I think it is counter-productive to call it
predisposition to obesity, because that way it is used as an excuse. "I
have a slow metabolism and thus need to work harder" is a better phrase.
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Old July 19th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Michael Nielsen
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Ignoramus19260 wrote:

Just because something can be used as an excuse, does not make it any
less real.


I dind't say it *can* be used as an excuse, but it is worded as an
excuse. And it is false to say that one is fat because of the genetic
predisposition. One is fat because one didn't have the drive,
motivation, ambition, inspiration, stubbornness, selfrespect to work to
avoid it. Now I'm not talking about physical illness factors (although
mental illness factors are included).
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Old July 19th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Michael Nielsen
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Ignoramus19260 wrote:

Just because something can be used as an excuse, does not make it any
less real.


I dind't say it *can* be used as an excuse, but it is worded as an
excuse. And it is false to say that one is fat because of the genetic
predisposition. One is fat because one didn't have the drive,
motivation, ambition, inspiration, stubbornness, selfrespect to work to
avoid it. Now I'm not talking about physical illness factors (although
mental illness factors are included).
 




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