Atkins and muscle growth

"Hollywood" wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 8:45 pm, "Cubit" wrote:
"john" wrote in message

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Hi,
I'm on Atkins right now .. might go into Phase 2 pretty soon. One
thing I'm wondering about is weight training. Should I be doing that
now..? I certainly don't want to lose muscle mass when losing the
fat but I'm not even sure if weight training will preserve it. I
guess I have to make sure I get alot of proteins. I know that weight
lifting requires glycogen so not sure if I will have the carbs to do
it ?
Thanks.

If muscles are your goal, you might check with the muscle builders.
There
may be a choice between a healthy way of eating and dying young with a
sculpted muscular body.

Wow. Let the misinformation and bitterness flow.

Generally, as extraordinary excess body fat is lost a lot of muscle goes
too. IMHO weight training alone might not be enough to preserve the
muscle.
I tried some weight training while losing weight, but I didn't stick with
it, and the muscle left.

Hrm. Lemme get this straight:
Cubit flirted with some resistance work.
Cubit didn't stick with it.
Cubit's muscle deserted him.
Ergo: Weight training won't preserve muscle.

Wow. Aristotle is spinning in his grave.

Here's a different experience.
Hollywood flirted with some resistance work.
Hollywood did stick with it, even got into it.
Hollywood has gained about 5 lbs of lean muscle mass
while dumping 50+ lbs of adipose tissue.
Ergo: Weight training + LC diet CAN preserve, and
even enhance, muscle tissue.

FWIW: I didn't really do any lifting before, so I was
not particularly muscular under my 50+ lbs of fat.

I don't think I was spouting misinformation, but rather a point of view. In
terms of health, my concern about muscle builders starts with the deliberate
use of natural insulin to encourage protein being built into muscle. I see
this as the reason for CKD.

Your exemplary sticking with the resistance training is not excluded by my
comments. In fact we may agree in that area. My expectation is that most
folk do not stick to an exercise program long term. Thus, the exercise to
preserve the muscle hidden under body fat is often pointless.

Taubes made a good case that increased exercise leads to increased hunger.
"Working Up An Appetite"

On Apr 14, 12:51 pm, "Cubit" wrote:
"Hollywood" wrote in message

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On Apr 12, 8:45 pm, "Cubit" wrote:
"john" wrote in message

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Hi,
I'm on Atkins right now .. might go into Phase 2 pretty soon. One
thing I'm wondering about is weight training. Should I be doing that
now..? I certainly don't want to lose muscle mass when losing the
fat but I'm not even sure if weight training will preserve it. I
guess I have to make sure I get alot of proteins. I know that weight
lifting requires glycogen so not sure if I will have the carbs to do
it ?
Thanks.

If muscles are your goal, you might check with the muscle builders.
There
may be a choice between a healthy way of eating and dying young with a
sculpted muscular body.

Wow. Let the misinformation and bitterness flow.

Generally, as extraordinary excess body fat is lost a lot of muscle goes
too. IMHO weight training alone might not be enough to preserve the
muscle.
I tried some weight training while losing weight, but I didn't stick with
it, and the muscle left.

Hrm. Lemme get this straight:
Cubit flirted with some resistance work.
Cubit didn't stick with it.
Cubit's muscle deserted him.
Ergo: Weight training won't preserve muscle.

Wow. Aristotle is spinning in his grave.

Here's a different experience.
Hollywood flirted with some resistance work.
Hollywood did stick with it, even got into it.
Hollywood has gained about 5 lbs of lean muscle mass
while dumping 50+ lbs of adipose tissue.
Ergo: Weight training + LC diet CAN preserve, and
even enhance, muscle tissue.

FWIW: I didn't really do any lifting before, so I was
not particularly muscular under my 50+ lbs of fat.

I don't think I was spouting misinformation, but rather a point of view. In
terms of health, my concern about muscle builders starts with the deliberate
use of natural insulin to encourage protein being built into muscle. I see
this as the reason for CKD.

Hrm. "Dying young with a sculpted muscular body?" That's
some fairly pure culture of fear stuff. Not really based in any
reality. Quality of life into later years is largely determined by
strength/power in earlier years and maintenance of such. While
squating may not be a big deal when you are in your fifties,
getting out of your chair and making it to the bathroom might be
in your 70's and 80's. I'd rather be on the strong side of that
problem.
Early death and muscles? Steroid free? I'd be curious to know how
you'd back that.

As to CKD, not for everyone or even many. Only if you're "bonked".

Your exemplary sticking with the resistance training is not excluded by my
comments. In fact we may agree in that area. My expectation is that most
folk do not stick to an exercise program long term. Thus, the exercise to
preserve the muscle hidden under body fat is often pointless.

An expectation of failure nets you, well, failure. OP has been doing
resistance
before. Your lack of interest in resistance work only really reflects
your
lack of continued interest in doing resistance work. Many really enjoy
it and
continue. I've been doing it for about a year and a half now. Not
exemplary,
but good.

Taubes made a good case that increased exercise leads to increased hunger.
"Working Up An Appetite"

Taubes's research in that matter is limited almost exclusively to long
flat
cardio. I would even allow that it extends to HIIT, as I notice my
calories are
higher on HIIT days. There are nearly no studies looking at resistance
and
hunger. I believe there's nothing looking at resistance, hunger and
lc.

I like a lot of Tabues. I even buy into the Working up and appetite
argument
for what's been studied thus far. But I think it's nice for people who
don't
want to work out to say, "I'll just work up an appetite, so I
shouldn't bother."
FWIW: Taubes works out.

On Apr 14, 12:51 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

I don't think I was spouting misinformation, but rather a point of view. In
terms of health, my concern about muscle builders starts with the deliberate
use of natural insulin to encourage protein being built into muscle. I see
this as the reason for CKD.


I believe that's what they never talk about with the CKD. What these
guys are doing is loading up on carbs right after the work
to get that big insulin spike and this helps with muscle growth. But
of course this can also lead to fat as well so they go very low carb
for
the rest of the week, do a lot of low, low intensity cardio to burn
off the
fat that they might have gained.