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Well it's been 18 days since starting Induction and I've had no
alcohol. Since I am a wine afficianado this has been a missed
lifestyle.

Last night was such a nice night, and I hadn't seen my girlfriend in a
week (she started a new job). She came over last night, I cooked
brined chicken breasts on the grill and we sat outside enjoying the
weather.

.... and I had a glass of white wine (cheap stuff; 13% alcohol). I am
telling myself it is okay, just stay on track and keep moving
forward. It isn't going to hurt in the grand scheme of things, if I
stick to the plan.

But all I can think about is the alcohol turning into acetate by my
liver and the acetate being used as fuel, instead of my stored
fat. It's almost like a steam locomotive at full speed ahead then
suddenly has to slow way down for some reason. It has lost time to
reach the destination.

Surely it is being anal retentive to think the above thoughts for just
having one glass of wine. But it's not the one glass I am worried
about ... it's that one glass that may have opened the doors to having
the idea "oh its just one glass, won't hurt" syndrome. This inevitably
leads to one glass the next night, and the next night, and the next
night. Before you know it I'm drinking wine everynight, which will
most certainly slow down my goals.

I understand this is okay and must be "accounted" for when you are
maintaining your goal weight. But damnit man, I have a long way to go
and I am anxious to get there.

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Steve
250/236/170 (day 18)

steve ess

writes:

Since I am a wine afficianado this has been a missed
lifestyle.

Me, too. I'm doing a combination SB/Atkins, and I've had 3 glasses of wine
since starting on 2/17.

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all I can think about is the alcohol turning into acetate by my
liver and the acetate being used as fuel, instead of my stored
fat. It's almost like a steam locomotive at full speed ahead then
suddenly has to slow way down for some reason. It has lost time to
reach the destination.

Surely it is being anal retentive to think the above thoughts for just
having one glass of wine. But it's not the one glass I am worried
about ... it's that one glass that may have opened the doors to having
the idea "oh its just one glass, won't hurt" syndrome. This inevitably
leads to one glass the next night, and the next night, and the next
night. Before you know it I'm drinking wine everynight, which will
most certainly slow down my goals.

I understand this is okay and must be "accounted" for when you are
maintaining your goal weight. But damnit man, I have a long way to go
and I am anxious to get there.

You have a long way to go, and you'll get there. Your tastes may change
between now and the time when you reach your goal weight. It sounds like
you're uncomfortable drinking wine right now, so don't drink it again until
you're comfortable with it. That time may or may not come. Wine may become
more of a drink for special occasions. Or you may eventually fit it into a
low-carb WOE. You'll find out.

The South Beach diet does allow for the occasional glass of red wine. Even if
you're doing Atkins, you might want to visit a library or book store, pick up a
copy of SB, and look at the index to see what Dr. Agatston says about wine.
IIRC, he discusses alcohol somewhat more than Dr. Atkins does.


Daria
166/146/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

On 01 Apr 2004 16:12:39 GMT, DG511 wrote:

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The South Beach diet does allow for the occasional glass of red wine.
Even if
you're doing Atkins, you might want to visit a library or book store,
pick up a
copy of SB, and look at the index to see what Dr. Agatston says about
wine.
IIRC, he discusses alcohol somewhat more than Dr. Atkins does.


Daria
166/146/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

I drink the occasionaly wine or beer. I try hard to limit them to once or
at most twice per week. I try very hard to limit overconsumption (like 4
beers or so) to once every two months or so. I have a problem in that
sometimes I'm exhausted and I'll be working on something to do with my
house or my friend's house and I find -- strangely enough -- that beer
will give me energy to keep going. So, I do partake sometimes; I just try
to limit the number of times and how much "partaking" is partook.

--
Bob in CT
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steve wrote:
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Well it's been 18 days since starting Induction and I've had no
alcohol. Since I am a wine afficianado this has been a missed
lifestyle.

Last night was such a nice night, and I hadn't seen my girlfriend in a
week (she started a new job). She came over last night, I cooked
brined chicken breasts on the grill and we sat outside enjoying the
weather.

... and I had a glass of white wine (cheap stuff; 13% alcohol). I am
telling myself it is okay, just stay on track and keep moving
forward. It isn't going to hurt in the grand scheme of things, if I
stick to the plan.

But all I can think about is the alcohol turning into acetate by my
liver and the acetate being used as fuel, instead of my stored
fat. It's almost like a steam locomotive at full speed ahead then
suddenly has to slow way down for some reason. It has lost time to
reach the destination.

Surely it is being anal retentive to think the above thoughts for just
having one glass of wine. But it's not the one glass I am worried
about ... it's that one glass that may have opened the doors to having
the idea "oh its just one glass, won't hurt" syndrome. This inevitably
leads to one glass the next night, and the next night, and the next
night. Before you know it I'm drinking wine everynight, which will
most certainly slow down my goals.

I understand this is okay and must be "accounted" for when you are
maintaining your goal weight. But damnit man, I have a long way to go
and I am anxious to get there.

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I wouldn't worry too much - I drink one or two glasses of red wine
pretty much every evening; yet I'm still losing about 2Kg per week, on
very low-carbs.

Now, this *may* be due to the fact that I'm cycle training a lot at the
moment - so cycling perhaps 150-200 Km a week; which is about 5000 Kcal
according to my HRM, maybe where my Calories go.

Whatever - kicking sugar, potato and bread based products into touch
certainly got the fat burning going - wine or not!!

--
Succorso

steve wrote:

Well it's been 18 days since starting Induction and I've had no
alcohol. Since I am a wine afficianado this has been a missed
lifestyle.

Induction and all of its restrictions lasts 14 days. So you have
completed that part. Have that wine and have no regrets.

But all I can think about is the alcohol turning into acetate by my
liver and the acetate being used as fuel, instead of my stored
fat. It's almost like a steam locomotive at full speed ahead then
suddenly has to slow way down for some reason. It has lost time to
reach the destination.

Alcohol effects different people different amounts and there is no
telling how it will effect you until you see the results yourself.
For some loss is only paused until the alcohol is gone in a couple
of hours, for others loss is blocked for days, no clue why. But
don't let the fact that you're starting your standard post Induction
pause confuse you into blaming the glass of wine.

Before you know it I'm drinking wine everynight, which will
most certainly slow down my goals.

Maybe. It is *not* "certain". Wine blocks some, doesn't effect
loss rates in others.

I have a long way to go and I am anxious to get there.

So you should move on to OWL today. The results on OWL are better
for most than extending Induction. I don't care that you can find
justification in the book to extend, the process has 4 phases for
reasons and one of them is OWL gives better loss for most. I don't
care that you *want* to rush it by extending. Of course you want
to rsuh it; all newcomers do. But extending it isn't the way.
Dr A spent decades designing the 4 phases, please beleive that he
tried the obvious like extending Induction and discovered that the
full process works better for most. Step out in faith! Take
advantage of all the work he put in.

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 at 20:50 GMT, Doug Freyburger spoke:

So you should move on to OWL today. The results on OWL are better
for most than extending Induction. I don't care that you can find
justification in the book to extend, the process has 4 phases for
reasons and one of them is OWL gives better loss for most. I don't
care that you *want* to rush it by extending. Of course you want to
rsuh it; all newcomers do. But extending it isn't the way. Dr A
spent decades designing the 4 phases, please beleive that he tried
the obvious like extending Induction and discovered that the full
process works better for most. Step out in faith! Take advantage
of all the work he put in.

Thanks Doug. This was a very good post, I appreciate it. I'll start
reading the OWL section of the book.

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Steve

You'd do well to listen to Doug. He set me straight. Well, so to speak.

Also I have a drink every evening and have lost quite well. I'm at a
standstill at the moment but that will change eventually. Still, I'm 40 #'s
down.
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Bear-
Grrrrrrrrrrrr )
297/257/210
http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/
"She lives on prison grub...it consists of starches instead of proteins.
She gets fat. Her tissues become water-logged."
Perry Mason - The Glamarous Ghost



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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 at 20:50 GMT, Doug Freyburger spoke:

So you should move on to OWL today. The results on OWL are better
for most than extending Induction. I don't care that you can find
justification in the book to extend, the process has 4 phases for
reasons and one of them is OWL gives better loss for most. I don't
care that you *want* to rush it by extending. Of course you want to
rsuh it; all newcomers do. But extending it isn't the way. Dr A
spent decades designing the 4 phases, please beleive that he tried
the obvious like extending Induction and discovered that the full
process works better for most. Step out in faith! Take advantage
of all the work he put in.

Thanks Doug. This was a very good post, I appreciate it. I'll start
reading the OWL section of the book.

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All you've done is whine since you started posting here.

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low-carb diet." --- jpatti


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Well it's been 18 days since starting Induction and I've had no
alcohol. Since I am a wine afficianado this has been a missed
lifestyle.

Last night was such a nice night, and I hadn't seen my girlfriend in a
week (she started a new job). She came over last night, I cooked
brined chicken breasts on the grill and we sat outside enjoying the
weather.

... and I had a glass of white wine (cheap stuff; 13% alcohol). I am
telling myself it is okay, just stay on track and keep moving
forward. It isn't going to hurt in the grand scheme of things, if I
stick to the plan.

But all I can think about is the alcohol turning into acetate by my
liver and the acetate being used as fuel, instead of my stored
fat. It's almost like a steam locomotive at full speed ahead then
suddenly has to slow way down for some reason. It has lost time to
reach the destination.

Surely it is being anal retentive to think the above thoughts for just
having one glass of wine. But it's not the one glass I am worried
about ... it's that one glass that may have opened the doors to having
the idea "oh its just one glass, won't hurt" syndrome. This inevitably
leads to one glass the next night, and the next night, and the next
night. Before you know it I'm drinking wine everynight, which will
most certainly slow down my goals.

I understand this is okay and must be "accounted" for when you are
maintaining your goal weight. But damnit man, I have a long way to go
and I am anxious to get there.

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Steve
250/236/170 (day 18)