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On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" wrote:
"ATP*" I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine. I will check out the website! Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me, either. But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy food as a hobby! The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and Fitness section: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A EXCERPTS The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal skipping and poor health. In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals affects health. .... The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long term, could lead to diabetes. The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually improve a patient's health. .... The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the body. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" wrote: "ATP*" I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine. I will check out the website! Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me, either. But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy food as a hobby! The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and Fitness section: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A EXCERPTS The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal skipping and poor health. In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals affects health. ... The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long term, could lead to diabetes. The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually improve a patient's health. ... The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the body. And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden disaster of a meal. |
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"ATP*" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" wrote: "ATP*" I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine. I will check out the website! Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me, either. But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy food as a hobby! The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and Fitness section: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A EXCERPTS The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal skipping and poor health. In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals affects health. ... The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long term, could lead to diabetes. The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually improve a patient's health. ... The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the body. And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden disaster of a meal. Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe that is key here. I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response, body composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting schedule and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must be done gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that both over- and under-doing the rate of change will not yield good results. Why people expect it to work any other way is, frankly, quite beyond me. Fast-5 is an overly-simplistic approach, IMHO - it gets the basic behavioral change more or less correct without really understanding what's involved. The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a more recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of explaining what's going on and why. It is my belief, therefore, that more people will achieve long-term success by reading and following the advice given in one of Ori's book than they will following the Fast-5. The above is especially true for active people such as those who frequent mfw - put another way, while it's perfectly possible for a typical, sedentary desk jockey to follow the Fast-5 principles of not eating for 18-20 hours, I don't do it that way nor do I recommend anyone who is an avid exerciser try it that way. Link to the AED diet book (disclaimer - this link uses my affiliate ID with the publisher): http://www.defensenutrition.com/affi...e.php?id=115_6 -S- http://www.kbnj.com |
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"Steve Freides" wrote in message ... "ATP*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" wrote: "ATP*" I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine. I will check out the website! Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me, either. But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy food as a hobby! The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and Fitness section: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A EXCERPTS The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal skipping and poor health. In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals affects health. ... The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long term, could lead to diabetes. The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually improve a patient's health. ... The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the body. And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden disaster of a meal. Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe that is key here. I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response, body composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting schedule and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must be done gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that both over- and under-doing the rate of change will not yield good results. Why people expect it to work any other way is, frankly, quite beyond me. Fast-5 is an overly-simplistic approach, IMHO - it gets the basic behavioral change more or less correct without really understanding what's involved. The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a more recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of explaining what's going on and why. It is my belief, therefore, that more people will achieve long-term success by reading and following the advice given in one of Ori's book than they will following the Fast-5. The above is especially true for active people such as those who frequent mfw - put another way, while it's perfectly possible for a typical, sedentary desk jockey to follow the Fast-5 principles of not eating for 18-20 hours, I don't do it that way nor do I recommend anyone who is an avid exerciser try it that way. Ori's book is coming tomorrow, I read as much as I could through Google Books. I see a lot of the same concepts that Art Devany espouses, some of which seem a little far-flung but nevertheless worth checking out. |
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"DZ" wrote in message
... Steve Freides wrote: wrote http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A It's got those geeky links to pubmed! Reminds me of Curt - the pubmed guy. ... The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long term, could lead to diabetes. ... The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually improve a patient's health. ... The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the body. Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe that is key here. I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response, body composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting schedule and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must be done gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that both over- and under-doing the rate of change will not yield good results. Why people expect it to work any other way is, frankly, quite beyond me. The senior author of both studies practices the intermittent fasting himself, by skipping (or drastically reducing calories - can't recall which one) every other day. He published quite a lot on the benefits of IF: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...tson%20mp%2 2[Author]%20AND%20%22intermittent%20fasting%22 The study was not so short, 11 weeks, but the subjects were asked to stuff themselves in the evening (eat more than they would like in a single meal). They note that the glucose tolerance tests were performed in the morning, so the meal-skippers ate much more in proximity to the test compared to the controls. The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a more recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of explaining what's going on and why. I haven't read either and I'm not planning to :-) You don't need to, either, IMHO. BTW, does the same guy make the "Warrior protein bars" that you mentioned previously? I believe that in my "meal skipping" there is no place for protein bars or any other human cat-food: when it's finally time to eat, it has to be a better food. Yes, same person/company. I use "human cat-food" (perhaps inhuman would be a better adjective) for a variety of purposes, but basically I like to eat it when I get hungry and there's nothing better available. Many days, I manage strictly real food, e.g., today, but some days, it's just not possible on my schedule. I have found that if I let myself go with too little food during the day, sometimes dinner time rolls around and I end up eating a huge dinner followed by a huge dessert, and I much prefer sneaking in the 250-ish calories of the inhuman cat-food mid-afternoon and arriving at the dinner table hungry but not famished. FWIW, I am having trouble keeping my weight _up_ at this point in my life because I am just so busy. Just wait until you start schlepping children all over creation ... -S- http://www.kbnj.com |
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