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Old January 15th, 2007, 05:01 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
doug lerner
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Default The problem with Weight Watchers...

....is that their plan is almost certainly absolutely correct.

I'm not actually on WW, as most of you know. Because there is no WW
where I live (Japan) I ended up devising my own diet. But I participate
in this group because it turned out that the plan I came up with
mirrors WW very closely. I just use calories directly instead of "flex
points". But the ideas are all very similar - a daily target limit of
calories, a week bonus to spread out over the week. Counting activity
to let me eat more, etc.

But after 84 weeks and about 100 lb lost, my weight loss has come to a
stand-still. My current BMI is 26.0. To get down to the upper limit of
"normal weight" I still need to lost about 10 more lb.

At this morning's weight of 176 lb, I figure that since I average about
1700 net calories a day that my CPP (calories per pound) needed to
maintain my weight must hover about 9.6 - 10. In other words, I'm
eating about about balance right now for this weight.

WW would tell me I need to eat closer to 1200 calories/day to keep
losing weight. Then maybe add points back until it comes to like 1600
calories/day to maintain it. And they would be correct, I'm sorry to
say.

So I am faced with the following choices (because of restrictions
imposed by reality):

(1) Eat less to lose more weight and then eat less FOREVER to maintain
it. I would find both very difficult to do, I'm afraid.

(2) Exercise like three times as much per day than I am doing now.
Sounds nice, but I know myself. That would be really hard to do.

(3) Try a different kind of exercise that I wouldn't necessarily count
towards activity points, but that I would try to do to increase
muscles. Like weight lifting. The idea here would be that more muscles
would naturally increase my body's metabolism thus allowing me to lose
some more weight without eating less. I'm going to investigate this
some more, but I don't know what is really required. I'm not ready for
2 hours of lifting weights a day...

(4) Just be happy with my current weight and maintain it! Hey - I'm
already at a weight I never dreamed I would achieve in my adult life. I
fit comfortably in an ordinary L size shirt (down from like 5L at
peak). My pants waist size is a comfortable, even loose, 36", down from
like 52" or more. And I fit in comfortably everywhere now - economy
seats on planes, booths in restaurants, etc.

I think I'll aim for something between (3) and (4) and see what
happens. I don't think I am ready for tweaking my calorie limits yet...

doug

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Old January 15th, 2007, 05:26 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default The problem with Weight Watchers...

have you considered getting a body fat measure in one of those floating
tanks to get a really accurate measure to see if you might actually be where
you need to be? Lee
doug lerner wrote in message
ups.com...
...is that their plan is almost certainly absolutely correct.

I'm not actually on WW, as most of you know. Because there is no WW
where I live (Japan) I ended up devising my own diet. But I participate
in this group because it turned out that the plan I came up with
mirrors WW very closely. I just use calories directly instead of "flex
points". But the ideas are all very similar - a daily target limit of
calories, a week bonus to spread out over the week. Counting activity
to let me eat more, etc.

But after 84 weeks and about 100 lb lost, my weight loss has come to a
stand-still. My current BMI is 26.0. To get down to the upper limit of
"normal weight" I still need to lost about 10 more lb.

At this morning's weight of 176 lb, I figure that since I average about
1700 net calories a day that my CPP (calories per pound) needed to
maintain my weight must hover about 9.6 - 10. In other words, I'm
eating about about balance right now for this weight.

WW would tell me I need to eat closer to 1200 calories/day to keep
losing weight. Then maybe add points back until it comes to like 1600
calories/day to maintain it. And they would be correct, I'm sorry to
say.

So I am faced with the following choices (because of restrictions
imposed by reality):

(1) Eat less to lose more weight and then eat less FOREVER to maintain
it. I would find both very difficult to do, I'm afraid.

(2) Exercise like three times as much per day than I am doing now.
Sounds nice, but I know myself. That would be really hard to do.

(3) Try a different kind of exercise that I wouldn't necessarily count
towards activity points, but that I would try to do to increase
muscles. Like weight lifting. The idea here would be that more muscles
would naturally increase my body's metabolism thus allowing me to lose
some more weight without eating less. I'm going to investigate this
some more, but I don't know what is really required. I'm not ready for
2 hours of lifting weights a day...

(4) Just be happy with my current weight and maintain it! Hey - I'm
already at a weight I never dreamed I would achieve in my adult life. I
fit comfortably in an ordinary L size shirt (down from like 5L at
peak). My pants waist size is a comfortable, even loose, 36", down from
like 52" or more. And I fit in comfortably everywhere now - economy
seats on planes, booths in restaurants, etc.

I think I'll aim for something between (3) and (4) and see what
happens. I don't think I am ready for tweaking my calorie limits yet...

doug



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Old January 15th, 2007, 07:31 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
ahmward
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Default The problem with Weight Watchers...

http://www.stormpc.com/ww/wendie_plan.htm
Doug, the Wendie Plan was used with another type of WW program about
five years ago. It is just a different way of looking at your total
calories for the week and instead of extremely reducing your daily
total, you have low days and higher days. It worked for a lot of people
I knew you tried it at the time.
Audrey


"doug lerner" wrote in message
ups.com...
...is that their plan is almost certainly absolutely correct.

I'm not actually on WW, as most of you know. Because there is no WW
where I live (Japan) I ended up devising my own diet. But I
participate
in this group because it turned out that the plan I came up with
mirrors WW very closely. I just use calories directly instead of "flex
points". But the ideas are all very similar - a daily target limit of
calories, a week bonus to spread out over the week. Counting activity
to let me eat more, etc.

But after 84 weeks and about 100 lb lost, my weight loss has come to a
stand-still. My current BMI is 26.0. To get down to the upper limit of
"normal weight" I still need to lost about 10 more lb.

At this morning's weight of 176 lb, I figure that since I average
about
1700 net calories a day that my CPP (calories per pound) needed to
maintain my weight must hover about 9.6 - 10. In other words, I'm
eating about about balance right now for this weight.

WW would tell me I need to eat closer to 1200 calories/day to keep
losing weight. Then maybe add points back until it comes to like 1600
calories/day to maintain it. And they would be correct, I'm sorry to
say.

So I am faced with the following choices (because of restrictions
imposed by reality):

(1) Eat less to lose more weight and then eat less FOREVER to maintain
it. I would find both very difficult to do, I'm afraid.

(2) Exercise like three times as much per day than I am doing now.
Sounds nice, but I know myself. That would be really hard to do.

(3) Try a different kind of exercise that I wouldn't necessarily count
towards activity points, but that I would try to do to increase
muscles. Like weight lifting. The idea here would be that more muscles
would naturally increase my body's metabolism thus allowing me to lose
some more weight without eating less. I'm going to investigate this
some more, but I don't know what is really required. I'm not ready for
2 hours of lifting weights a day...

(4) Just be happy with my current weight and maintain it! Hey - I'm
already at a weight I never dreamed I would achieve in my adult life.
I
fit comfortably in an ordinary L size shirt (down from like 5L at
peak). My pants waist size is a comfortable, even loose, 36", down
from
like 52" or more. And I fit in comfortably everywhere now - economy
seats on planes, booths in restaurants, etc.

I think I'll aim for something between (3) and (4) and see what
happens. I don't think I am ready for tweaking my calorie limits
yet...

doug


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Old January 15th, 2007, 09:53 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
teachrmama
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Posts: 338
Default The problem with Weight Watchers...

You know, Doug, you might decide to maintain for a period of time--maybe 2
or 3 months--until your body settles into its new "weight zone." Giving
yourself a break form having to lose might be just what you do need to do.
As you say, you've never been this low before. Maybe your body just needs
time to adjust.


"doug lerner" wrote in message
ups.com...
...is that their plan is almost certainly absolutely correct.

I'm not actually on WW, as most of you know. Because there is no WW
where I live (Japan) I ended up devising my own diet. But I participate
in this group because it turned out that the plan I came up with
mirrors WW very closely. I just use calories directly instead of "flex
points". But the ideas are all very similar - a daily target limit of
calories, a week bonus to spread out over the week. Counting activity
to let me eat more, etc.

But after 84 weeks and about 100 lb lost, my weight loss has come to a
stand-still. My current BMI is 26.0. To get down to the upper limit of
"normal weight" I still need to lost about 10 more lb.

At this morning's weight of 176 lb, I figure that since I average about
1700 net calories a day that my CPP (calories per pound) needed to
maintain my weight must hover about 9.6 - 10. In other words, I'm
eating about about balance right now for this weight.

WW would tell me I need to eat closer to 1200 calories/day to keep
losing weight. Then maybe add points back until it comes to like 1600
calories/day to maintain it. And they would be correct, I'm sorry to
say.

So I am faced with the following choices (because of restrictions
imposed by reality):

(1) Eat less to lose more weight and then eat less FOREVER to maintain
it. I would find both very difficult to do, I'm afraid.

(2) Exercise like three times as much per day than I am doing now.
Sounds nice, but I know myself. That would be really hard to do.

(3) Try a different kind of exercise that I wouldn't necessarily count
towards activity points, but that I would try to do to increase
muscles. Like weight lifting. The idea here would be that more muscles
would naturally increase my body's metabolism thus allowing me to lose
some more weight without eating less. I'm going to investigate this
some more, but I don't know what is really required. I'm not ready for
2 hours of lifting weights a day...

(4) Just be happy with my current weight and maintain it! Hey - I'm
already at a weight I never dreamed I would achieve in my adult life. I
fit comfortably in an ordinary L size shirt (down from like 5L at
peak). My pants waist size is a comfortable, even loose, 36", down from
like 52" or more. And I fit in comfortably everywhere now - economy
seats on planes, booths in restaurants, etc.

I think I'll aim for something between (3) and (4) and see what
happens. I don't think I am ready for tweaking my calorie limits yet...

doug



  #5  
Old January 15th, 2007, 03:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Laura
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Default The problem with Weight Watchers...

"doug lerner" wrote in message
ups.com...
...is that their plan is almost certainly absolutely correct.

I'm not actually on WW, as most of you know. Because there is no WW
where I live (Japan) I ended up devising my own diet. But I participate
in this group because it turned out that the plan I came up with
mirrors WW very closely. I just use calories directly instead of "flex
points". But the ideas are all very similar - a daily target limit of
calories, a week bonus to spread out over the week. Counting activity
to let me eat more, etc.

But after 84 weeks and about 100 lb lost, my weight loss has come to a
stand-still. My current BMI is 26.0. To get down to the upper limit of
"normal weight" I still need to lost about 10 more lb.

At this morning's weight of 176 lb, I figure that since I average about
1700 net calories a day that my CPP (calories per pound) needed to
maintain my weight must hover about 9.6 - 10. In other words, I'm
eating about about balance right now for this weight.

WW would tell me I need to eat closer to 1200 calories/day to keep
losing weight. Then maybe add points back until it comes to like 1600
calories/day to maintain it. And they would be correct, I'm sorry to
say.

So I am faced with the following choices (because of restrictions
imposed by reality):

(1) Eat less to lose more weight and then eat less FOREVER to maintain
it. I would find both very difficult to do, I'm afraid.

(2) Exercise like three times as much per day than I am doing now.
Sounds nice, but I know myself. That would be really hard to do.

(3) Try a different kind of exercise that I wouldn't necessarily count
towards activity points, but that I would try to do to increase
muscles. Like weight lifting. The idea here would be that more muscles
would naturally increase my body's metabolism thus allowing me to lose
some more weight without eating less. I'm going to investigate this
some more, but I don't know what is really required. I'm not ready for
2 hours of lifting weights a day...

(4) Just be happy with my current weight and maintain it! Hey - I'm
already at a weight I never dreamed I would achieve in my adult life. I
fit comfortably in an ordinary L size shirt (down from like 5L at
peak). My pants waist size is a comfortable, even loose, 36", down from
like 52" or more. And I fit in comfortably everywhere now - economy
seats on planes, booths in restaurants, etc.

I think I'll aim for something between (3) and (4) and see what
happens. I don't think I am ready for tweaking my calorie limits yet...


A couple of things may be happening here-
-your body needs time to get used to its new size. Maintaining this weight
for a few months may just be what it needs. It will also help you get used
to the idea of doing things for the rest of your life. Your body may also be
just recovering from your traveling.

-I think you hit it squarely on the head that you need to reduce the
calories consumed and/or increase the amount of exercise. Reducing the
calories can be accomplished by substituting lower calorie foods without
drastically reducing the amount of food. Have you been weighing and
measuring your foods? I know that I had to reduce my protein portions
(chicken/beef) at lunch and dinner as I lost weight. I just increased the
amount of veggies at those meals to make up for the lower calories. I
started with 5-7oz dinner portions and now average about 4 oz at dinner and
2-3 oz at lunch. Do it gradually and your body won't notice the reduction.
How about posting a few of your typical day's menus and maybe we can offer
some suggestions.

Most importantly, don't give up. You will figure this out.


 




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